Nice Shorts (men) In The Dining Room

[Leo Jay]

I didn't say that they did. :confused:

 

I am only pointing out the irony of people who seem to think they are "above" wearing shorts to dinner. By calling people "classless", "clods" or "the Clampetts", they demonstrate their own lack of class much more so than do the people wearing shorts.

 

(Disclaimer: Not all the quoted terms may have been used in this particular thread, but they were used in other recent threads on the same subject.)

 

I didn't say that you said that they did. I was merely indicating that the intended insult was irrelevant to the subject at hand.

[SnorkelBabe]

I didn't say that you said that they did. I was merely indicating that the intended insult was irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Well, I guess our opinions differ there as well. ;)

[Leo Jay]

Well, I guess our opinions differ there as well. ;)

 

 

Well... hmmm... the sarcasm in my original post was pretty glaring, but your compulsion to lecture me on "class and manners" clearly won out over good sense.

:o

[SnorkelBabe]

Well... hmmm... the sarcasm in my original post was pretty glaring, but your compulsion to lecture me on "class and manners" clearly won out over good sense.

:o

I'm sorry. Although I thought it was probably sarcasm, like I said, I don't know you well enough to be sure, and I have seen too many others post similar things in a serious manner.

 

I also have a tendency to quote a person, respond directly to him/her in the first paragraph, then respond more generally in later paragraphs. So my "lecture" wasn't necessarily directed at you personally, but at anyone with the attitude your post portrayed. Because as funny as it was, you know there are people who actually think that way! :eek: ;)

[TIMELMAN]

im still wearing my shorts

[Leo Jay]

I'm sorry. Although I thought it was probably sarcasm, like I said, I don't know you well enough to be sure, and I have seen too many others post similar things in a serious manner.

 

I also have a tendency to quote a person, respond directly to him/her in the first paragraph, then respond more generally in later paragraphs. So my "lecture" wasn't necessarily directed at you personally, but at anyone with the attitude your post portrayed. Because as funny as it was, you know there are people who actually think that way! :eek: ;)

 

Fair enough, my apologies.

;)

[Terry305]

Husband always wear Dockers and polo shirts or nice short sleeve shirt , he wears shorts during the day and sometimes after dinner we go to the cabin and change, them he might put nice shorts with a nice tshirt and we will go to the casino. for formal nights he will not wear a suit, he hates them, he will put nice dressy pants and a nice long sleeve shirt.

 

:)

[WeBeCruisin']

Husband always wear Dockers and polo shirts or nice short sleeve shirt , he wears shorts during the day and sometimes after dinner we go to the cabin and change, them he might put nice shorts with a nice tshirt and we will go to the casino. for formal nights he will not wear a suit, he hates them, he will put nice dressy pants and a nice long sleeve shirt.

 

:)

 

I'll probably do something similar. Maybe my nice cargo shorts or my nice denim cut-off shorts or maybe my nice, dressy overalls, and my nice wife-beater shirt..... and definitely a very nice gimme cap to be worn during dinner. :D

[katiel53]

My husband will wear his running shorts to dinner along with a clean tee-shirt. On formal nights, he will wear his dress jeans, because it is a formal occasion. He will wear a string tie with his short sleeved dress shirt because we want to fit in and dress properly.

 

He has a problem with his feet, so i think he will have to wear his dress crocks with his black socks so he doesn't feel out of place. I am soooo glad we can sail on Carnival and be dressed comfortably, because it's his vacation, and he works hard during the year, so he can wear what he wants. After all, we are paying a whole lot for this cruise.

 

PS I didn't get around to posting when we are going on Carnival, but it's May 2009 on Glory if the price is right.

 

Enjoy.

[WeBeCruisin']

My husband will wear his running shorts to dinner along with a clean tee-shirt. On formal nights, he will wear his dress jeans, because it is a formal occasion. He will wear a string tie with his short sleeved dress shirt because we want to fit in and dress properly.

 

He has a problem with his feet, so i think he will have to wear his dress crocks with his black socks so he doesn't feel out of place. I am soooo glad we can sail on Carnival and be dressed comfortably, because he has to wear a suit every day to work.

 

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Katie, that sounds great! And remember that if they don't specifically say it's not allowed, then it's obviously allowed! And even if it's not allowed, it's your vacation and you paid for it, so you can do anything you want! Life is good! :)

[yuyi64]

I think the allowed dress under the dress code is appropriate. In fact, I think the dress code formally establishes appropriateness for the dining room.

 

Appropriate means "suitable for a particular . . . occassion". Who is in a better position than the host to determine what is suitable for an event that the host is hosting? A guest . . . ? :confused:

 

You're making a big assumption if you think that appropriateness was the major determining factor when Carnival decided to change the dress code. I think the real reason was financial since they want as many people as possible to book with Carnival, even those that might have previously avoided cruising because of what they perceived to be overly formal dress codes for the dining room. As far as the host being in the best position to determine the suitable attire for an event, I agree with you. The problem with applying that analogy to a cruise line is that unlike a private dinner host, the cruise line does not get to pick and choose who it invites to the event. If you were hosting a dinner at your house and wanted a particular attire, you would only invite people you wanted there and that you knew would respect your wishes. A cruise line doesn't have that advantage, so when it says that "dress shorts" are acceptable it is opening up a huge can of worms since some people are going to push the definition of "nice" to suit their own preferences. I can see people down the line showing up for dinner wearing cargo shorts, basketball shorts, running shorts, etc. Most cruise lines have lost their willingness to enforce even minimal dress requirements, so allowing shorts for dinner will only accelerate the downward spiral of sloppy dressing in the main dining rooms.

[Terry305]

I'll probably do something similar. Maybe my nice cargo shorts or my nice denim cut-off shorts or maybe my nice' date=' dressy overalls[/color'], and my nice wife-beater shirt..... and definitely a very nice gimme cap to be worn during dinner. :D

 

Im I missing something here???

[WeBeCruisin']

Im I missing something here???

 

Not at all! I was supporting you and sharing with you what I would probably wear on my next cruise. The red was to emphasize the way we seemed to be on the same wave-length as to what was appropriate. GMTA!!!! Enjoy your cruise! :)

[Terry305]

Not at all! I was supporting you and sharing with you what I would probably wear on my next cruise. The red was to emphasize the way we seemed to be on the same wave-length as to what was appropriate. GMTA!!!! Enjoy your cruise! :)

 

Lol' date=' i did use the word [b']nice[/b] too many times, what i was trying to say is that they were sort of dressy/nice pants .

:) Thanks

Terry

[auggie43054]

I fully agree...dress does not equal class. I have met many people in my life who were nicely dressed who have no manners at all and were just plain annoying people. Many who wish to impose their dress code on others are just trying to make up for their own short comings or because they think they are magically transformed into some important person as soon as they cinch that tie. If you want to dress up they by all means do so but have some respect and realize others do not share your opinion. If your meal or experience is ruined because of what someone else is wearing you have deeper problems than the dress code.

 

 

Aaaamen!!!! I don't really consider a cruise ship dining room an "elegant setting" that requires dressing up, but that's my interpretation of elegant. Why does anyone care what someone is wearing when they're sitting at a table with a tablecloth draped over their lap anyway? You only see half of them at dinner anyway!:D

[scperk]

I'm really trying hard to stay out of dress code and chair-hog and seat-saving discussions' date=' but what is "allowed" and what is "appropriate" are two totally different concepts.[/quote']

That is just your "opinion"

[Mackenzie Girl]

Thanks for the info and pictures on the shoes. Seems that we will need to go and buy a pair now for him to break in. Do you guys wear socks with the shorts when wearing shoes or sandles? Do not want my DH to look dorky.

 

Will be on a 12 day Hawaii cruise (Spirit - April 24, 2009). We will both "dress" for the formal nights. Know that he will be happy with dress shorts and Hawaiian shirt for some nights. Will be gone for about three weeks and want to only use one suitcase each. Our travel will take us thru 11 airports and 6 airlines. Hope to be able to keep up with one suitcase each as it is. Want to cut down on shoes for us both. I appreciate your help.

[suzyjack]

We just got off the Conquest, on "cruise elegant" evenings- men in shorts were turned away. The other nights, there were alot of shorts- but most I saw were cargo/kakhi type shorts, I didn't notice any gym style or basketball type shorts. And I can honestly say I can't remember any of the shoes.

[yuyi64]

That is just your "opinion"

 

No, when WebeCruisin' stated that "allowed" and "appropriate" are two different concepts, he wasn't stating an opinion; they're indeed two different concepts. If the dictionary is not enough to convince you that that they're different, try creating the premise that they're the same and then constructing a logical argument to reach the conclusion that they're the same. You would find that even a freshman student in Philosophy 101 would have no trouble shredding and disproving that argument. Just as a quick example of the fallacy of your argument, notice that many parents allow their children on a cruise to run up and down the hallways, push all the elevator buttons, make noise outside other cruisers' cabins in the middle of the night, etc. The cruise lines also allow it by often looking the other way and ignoring the behavior to avoid confrontation. Does this mean that because such behavior is being "allowed" it is therefore appropriate? I hope you now see how different "allowed" and "appropriate" can be, and to point out that there is a difference in the two concepts (like WebeCruisin' did) is not an opinion but a fact.

[zqvol]

I try to avoid reading the dress questions because they are all the same. Someone asks a question about whether something is allowed or not and it is answered, then everyone goes off on their tangents about their sense of right and wrong. The same people post the same comments on every thread. I am probably as guilty as anyone.

 

My two cents is this. Carnival has specified what they deem to be inappropriate, by saying certain clothing types are not allowed. The converse of that is that if it is not disallowed then it is allowed, and that is usually the question that is asked.

 

Neither side is going to convince the other that they are incorrect in their beliefs, so everyone should continue to make the same arguments and we can continue to have fun with the dress code questions, because when it gets right down to it that is what these threads are FUN!

[Kurbanfan]

That is just your "opinion"

 

Yep you are right. People and their opinions:D What really matters is Carnivals opinion........and that's the opinion that pisses some people off lol! It's a never ending piss party:p :D

[scperk]

Yep you are right. People and their opinions:D What really matters is Carnivals opinion........and that's the opinion that pisses some people off lol! It's a never ending piss party:p :D

LOL....There was a post on the other shorts posting by some guy about Princess being a better class of people and I had to remind him that just maybe shorts in the dining room was next for Princess..Beings that they are owned by CCL and he had never been on a Carnival cruise...Dennis

[G'ma]

That is just your "opinion"

 

It's her opinion, and she's right.

 

Each are defined in any dictionary.....all it takes is a few keystrokes and you, too, will know they are not similar at all.

[Kurbanfan]

LOL....There was a post on the other shorts posting by some guy about Princess being a better class of people and I had to remind him that just maybe shorts in the dining room was next for Princess..Beings that they are owned by CCL and he had never been on a Carnival cruise...Dennis

 

Not sure what better class has to do with shorts lol! But you are probably right because afterall Princess now clearly states that jeans are appropriate on their casual nights;) Just as Carnival clearly states dress shorts are appropriate to wear for cruise casual nights;) That's a fact not an opinion......

[WeBeCruisin']

 

In your link citing the Carnival "rules", the word "appropriate" is never used. Carnival lists the minimum allowances. The word "appropriate" seems to be strictly your misinterpretation ... or "opinion", not a fact.. :D