FinelyRetired Posted September 22, 2008 #1 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I read this this morning on BBC News. I have a very old computer and hope the following link will work. And would appreciate any further follow-up more sophisticated computer users can provide as this story unfolds. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7629171.stm Thanks, Martha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul929207 Posted September 22, 2008 #2 Share Posted September 22, 2008 That is scary. We were to Abu Simbel 2 1/2 years ago. Seurity was very tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.M.T. Posted September 22, 2008 #3 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Latest news os that the kidnapped tourists have been taken to Sudan: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080922/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt_kidnapped_tourists Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeBeGone Posted September 22, 2008 #4 Share Posted September 22, 2008 These people were way, way, off the beaten path! It's a shame but in this day and age, tourists need to stay with the crowds and not go trekking across the remote desert.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeofus Posted September 22, 2008 #5 Share Posted September 22, 2008 These people were way, way, off the beaten path! It's a shame but in this day and age, tourists need to stay with the crowds and not go trekking across the remote desert.. Actually two of the hostages are from the tour company, according to CNN, so they were not off on their own; it appears they were with their group. We could see security up on the dunes surrounding us when we road through the desert on camels. That is a scary place. I am happy I was there and saw the awesome sights....but I would not go back quickly. Here's the CNN link http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/09/22/egypt.italians.kidnapped/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted September 22, 2008 #6 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Actually two of the hostages are from the tour company, according to CNN, so they were not off on their own; it appears they were with their group. We could see security up on the dunes surrounding us when we road through the desert on camels. That is a scary place. I am happy I was there and saw the awesome sights....but I would not go back quickly. Here's the CNN link http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/09/22/egypt.italians.kidnapped/index.html The poster said off the beaten bath not off on their own. This is not near the normal tourist sites. Its really is off the normal tourist path but it is very scary....and you can say the same thing about Miami where a number of tourist were killed because they made wrong turns and were in areas they shouldn't have been(Germans too BTW)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted September 22, 2008 #7 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Isn't this the plot from the "Wind and the Lion?" note in real life the person kidnapped(for ransom) was the husband not the wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrokitty Posted September 22, 2008 #8 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I think most important to remember is that these people were way off the normal "tourist" areas....not that that makes it ok, it doesn't, but we all have a responsibility to make sure the areas we're touring are reasonably protected. We also have to avoid places where kidnapping is a career choice, not a crime. With respect to Miami, that was years ago and hasn't happened since car rental agencies stopped putting their logos on the bumper. I'm going to Egypt in Jan. and I'm not the least bit nervous about my safety in the Country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinwoman Posted September 22, 2008 #9 Share Posted September 22, 2008 No this was not really "way off the beaten path" just in the desert as many people even I have went on. "it has become increasingly popular among adventure and eco-tourists" 'MSN' Maybe most people would not go on a long trek, but many many people do. I do wonder if the so called tour guides were involved in this, they are demanding a 6 million dollar ransom. Since 2004, attacks on foreigners shifted to the beach resorts of the Sinai peninsula in northeastern Egypt, with a total of 121 people, including tourists, killed in a series of bombings. From the MSN story. It is a shame that a country that could really really thrive on tourism, is ruined by these villains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinwoman Posted September 22, 2008 #10 Share Posted September 22, 2008 They are now saying the tourist have been set free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.M.T. Posted September 22, 2008 #11 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Germany TV is reporting the company involved as Aegyptus, a total of 19 persons are missing - 11 tourists and 8 Egyptians. The attacked took place in the southwest corner of Egypt very close to the Libya and Sudan borders at a place called Gilf el Kebir. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinwoman Posted September 22, 2008 #12 Share Posted September 22, 2008 It is said that the Germans negotiated the release. I bet these tourists have a story to tell their grand kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinwoman Posted September 22, 2008 #13 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Germany TV is reporting the company involved as Aegyptus, a total of 19 persons are missing - 11 tourists and 8 Egyptians. The attacked took place in the southwest corner of Egypt very close to the Libya and Sudan borders at a place called Gilf el Kebir. Ron "There have been no known Islamic militant attacks in Egypt's Western Desert, where the Gilf al-Kabir is located." I am sure the tourist felt safe do to that. How sad, but a happy ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted September 22, 2008 #14 Share Posted September 22, 2008 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/world/africa/23egypt.html?hp released... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.M.T. Posted September 22, 2008 #15 Share Posted September 22, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7630504.stm Not released ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted September 23, 2008 #16 Share Posted September 23, 2008 yep they updated the story and retracted the release statement. Breaking news sometimes doesn't get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threeofus Posted September 23, 2008 #17 Share Posted September 23, 2008 The poster said off the beaten bath not off on their own. This is not near the normal tourist sites. Its really is off the normal tourist path but it is very scary....and you can say the same thing about Miami where a number of tourist were killed because they made wrong turns and were in areas they shouldn't have been(Germans too BTW)... That really wasn't necessary. Every city has problems. BTW- I grew up in NYC - so when I say EVERY city has it's problems I know what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted September 23, 2008 #18 Share Posted September 23, 2008 That really wasn't necessary. Every city has problems. BTW- I grew up in NYC - so when I say EVERY city has it's problems I know what I'm talking about. why not? it was an example of what problems there are not just in Egypt.It was aimed at Florida but as an example, I also posted one about Rome. Egypt is NOT a dangerous place for most tourists. NY isn't particularly dangerous and its much safer now than it has been in decades(last year there were 460 murders in NY City down from a high of over 3000 per year....a major difference but they do happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinelyRetired Posted September 23, 2008 Author #19 Share Posted September 23, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7631360.stm This is what I was able to find this AM. I'm hopeful for a safe return of these tourists and their guides. If anyone has updates from other sources, please continue to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted September 29, 2008 #20 Share Posted September 29, 2008 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_re_af/ml_egypt_kidnapped_tourists more of the story. The tourists have not been released yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.M.T. Posted September 29, 2008 #21 Share Posted September 29, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7641656.stm Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted September 29, 2008 #22 Share Posted September 29, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7641656.stm Ron thanks its nice to see a happy ending....and it should be interesting hearing from the hostages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeyer418 Posted September 29, 2008 #23 Share Posted September 29, 2008 here is the NY Times story confirming the hostages arrival in Cairo http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/world/middleeast/30egypt.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin http://www.aegyptus.com/ tour guides web site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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