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Does not make any difference what the reason is, what matters is what IT is. The rest is smoke and mirrors.

and yet another program

It matters not where someone asks or who answers. The point was is that the different types of combinations for travel, both domestic and international make it confusing to casual travelers. Of course people can ask here. People ask tons of things and get tons of answers. all of the types of ID's and how they can/should be used and implementation schedules and delays of deadline make it worse. Backlogs for renewals make it worse. Pick a direction, keep it simple, an implementation, a deadline, a PLAN and stick to it. How could people not be confused.

Thanks

It sure is. That said, if it i a once and done experience, I would be reticent at recommending a DIY mentality. Just not the same level of experience for most cruisers.

All good ideas. They are all fairly unique and offer a great vacation opportunity. It used to be in Carnival, that they only way you cruised in them in Europe, it was when a new ship came out. Now, there a re great chances to experience lots of different European cruise vacations. As someone who has done a few, I HIGHLY recommend it, especially if you have never been there. Cruising Europe gives you the opportunity to get a “flavor” of different things, from the Med, to northern Europe, Scandinavian Countries, GB, Iceland and more.

Kudos to the Carnival team for delivering in a pinch again.

It was a general statement on cruisers who cruise RCCL and thoughts on icon. You can google it. I never said it was not popular. They are demanding huge prices to sail on it, and people are paying. WAY more than I have ever seen before, but at 2 BILLION it takes a bunch to pay that bill. I cruise other lines, and RCCL is on that list. As I said, I think it is NOT attractive at all, WAY to many people and looks like a joke that one might see a manufactured picture on her today (April 1). I may be wrong, will not be the first time. Enjoy your cruises.

There are threads about this, you can review them.

I can try. See post 2 on states where they are using EDL. Yours is one of those. All of the other states have not. If someone lives in those and crosses borders they have to use passport. They may come here and see (example) you can use your DL to cross. They might be further confused because their state is going to Real ID for domestic travel, which WILL be needed for domestic air travel at some point but has seen delay after delay after delay. Then they could be even further confused because when the realize all this and they cruise a lot, they decide to get/renew their passport (what we all will need at some point to do) and they get even more confused by which type to get (card or book). Finally they get even MORE confused because they see all the delay in processing renewals and new passports. Hopefully this all makes sense.

I get and understand the differences and the logic and rationale for all. They do have purpose. From the outside looking in (most travelers), something happens need wise which causes them to need to look at what their options are. Lots of input from many sources (including here), and it looks confusing. My original comment was really that and delays in enactment on multiple fronts, posts on delays for passports etc and it looks like a maze. When they are in a border state, it add more confusion and can get furth complicated if that border state is not active,,,,

Actually typing but on an iPhone in a parking lot waiting on wife shopping and interspersing phone calls. Hopefully point got delivered

Actually not bad when you consider all the variables…

They all have purpose, but for the occasional traveler, it looks like a 3 card monte….

I can be more clear. I am talking about all of them. While you and I understand the difference between Real ID and EDL and their functionality differences, in regards to travel, we add in Passports and passport cards. Hoe much mote confusing could it be to occasional travelers. They were all trying to simplify secure. Instead we have one designed for air travel, one designed for contiguous birder travel (and oh by the way totally different than the other used for domestic travel). Then the second oh by the way it is not accepted in all border states. We can wla e passports and passport cards out but they confuse it more.

OK, how many border states have it enacted? How many border states have not implemented it? Does the fact they have two different methodologies make sense? Do you think the public is/will get confused? Is there a better way?

True. Has it been deployed in 50 states?

Even RCCL cruisers agree with me

Now that would be a conundrum

Only way we find that out is if it happens. Just take a gander at Icon and tell me what you see. Butt ugly….wait look tomorrow. Then I could have said Aprils fools. Five years ago, everyone would have laughed….. Are some paying those out of this world prices…? Yup. Even RCCL execs are laughing. Monstrosity… But I must be wrong because I sail Carnival….. Your views may differ, but I will not question them…

Have you ever used it?

Of trying to be put into action. WAY behind several deployment scenarios

exactly the way I remember it.....

pays the bills.

At some some point, they will need to force a decision as to what is acceptable. It is clear, passports are a better control, and that is what it is all about.