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WilsCM made an innocent, easily understood, rational comment. Why twist it into something nefarious?

We've been to Aruba and Bonaire several several times but Curacao only once. Curacao is our favorite; lots to see and lots of interesting history. Just hearing "Aruba" brings a smile to my face these days. Not because it is so fun, but because many of the tours still take you to see the "Natural Bridge." The thing is, the Natural Bridge collapsed in 2005.

The first answer you got from mz-s is, in my opinion, the best answer. Our experience, be it long ago, was that Carnival didn't pay attention to one cruise unless you racked up an amazing pile of points. We got no offers after our first three cruises in one year; with only medium betting on our part. After that first year of cruising we were steadily inundated with offers. Even today, racking up 15,000 points on a cruise does not result in immediately better offers, but if we have a good year then the following year we get much better offers even if we don't cruise on Carnival or gamble much that year. We have mostly switched to NCL but still get great offers from Carnival. I expect those will get smaller going forward (since we are mainly NCL now) but for the time being we are still riding the wave of last year. I find the talk of Carnival not being as transparent as other cruise lines interesting. Our experience is only Carnival and NCL. On Carnival you don't call them, they send you offers. On NCL they have "tier levels" based on points earned during the year (and your level at the end of the year is your beginning level for the next year). They have schedules of benefits for each level, but those are only for things like priority boarding, free water, onboard credit, free or discounted internet and the like. As far as free or discounted cruises you have to call the casino operation, tell them what cruise you are interested in and ask what they can offer you. We were pleasantly surprised that after our first cruise when I called them about a cruise they offered a comped balcony, other than taxes/port fees, gratuities and the usual you have to pay on "free cruises." Strangely, they also have an administrative fee the casino operation charges that is $20 per day per person in the cabin. Having to call NCL casino operations to find out what kind of deal they can offer on a cruise seems to me to be less transparent than Carnival straight out telling you their offers. All that is just our experience. Since covid folks have said they have gotten offers even though they don't gamble. Like mz-s said, any answer you get is just speculation.

We're relatively new to NCL having sailed extensively on Carnival, where they shove a paper receipt with a tip line in front of you with every drink, but the "no need to tip" aspect on NCL was an unexpected bonus. We have rarely seen cash tipping during our NCL cruises but we usually have bartenders give us preferential treatment; giving us a questioning look as we approach and starting on our drinks when we can't even get to the bar. It has nothing to do with tips. It's because we get to know them. Find out how to properly pronounce their native name, find out where they are from, treat them as a friend and they treat you well. It is not something we set out to do as a strategy, it is just normal for us to talk to folks. We're darn sure not going to carry around a stack of cash bills and NCL doesn't shove that paper receipt in front of you for a reason (the tip has already been paid). On the last day of the cruise we do put tokens of our appreciation into envelopes and give them to those who have made our cruise special. Without fail we are told it was not necessary and we say we know, but they have been special to us and we wanted to let them know that.

I have a hard time understanding those who object to those cruising on casino comps getting credit in the loyalty program. The Carnival ships are in separate corporations from the casino operation. They are separate businesses. The ships are in the cruise business and the casino is in the gambling business. The casinos find it to their advantage to buy cruises and drinks packages for certain of their gambling customers and give them to those gambling customers. Some land based casinos do the same thing and buy cruises for their customers. It is not uncommon to find them on NCL. The cruise business gets paid for the rooms and drinks packages. Following the reasoning of those who don't like including casino comped cruisers, if your grandparents buy you a cruise and drinks package then you should not get credit in the loyalty program. According to their logic only the person who pays for the cruise with their own funds gets credit; no credit for the kids when their parents take them on a cruise, no credit if your boss bought you the cruise as a bonus, no credit if Caesars Entertainment bought you the cruise (which they do on occasion) and no credit if Global Casino Operations (the company that runs the casinos on Carnival, Seabourn, Princess, P&O, Holland America, Costa, Cunard and Aida) bought you the cruise. The cruise business has its loyalty program and the casinos, and others, have their marketing programs. They are separate things. The fact that casinos, some bosses and some charity raffles buy cruises and give them away is not relevant to the loyalty program.

That's how I read the legal bit also.

I don't know about the others, but I would complain about there not being something like CC...

Calm down my man. No need to stroke out. I think everyone got you point and they have moved on to another point that also supports the position of NCL not being the bad guy. Folks accepting your point and not arguing about it is a good thing...

Unless things have changed drastically, last folks I knew that worked retail started closing out the registers as soon as the door closed. Perhaps a one man company would do it though.

In the story the folks never mentioned the port agent. It is not like everyone on the island was sitting around a table trying to figure out how to get them back aboard. I suspect (guess) the port agent received the passports and the passports sat there waiting for the passengers to come get them. The passengers didn't show up. The port agent probably had no idea what the passengers or the coast guard were up to. While they describe emailing NCL they never mention the on-the-spot port agent. I have always been amazed at the number of experienced cruisers who have no idea the port agent exists. On cruises on which you keep your passport most folks don't seem to know that if you are late to the ship then ship personnel will enter your cabin and search for your passport and turn it over to the port agent to facilitate your necessary travels. So I don't think the port agent had any idea what these folks were up to.

I'm of the opinion the there is too much questionable or missing information. One thing I would point out is that if the local coast guard did take them out to the ship then of course the ship would not take them. Their passports had been turned over to the local shipping agent and were with the agent on shore. They would not have had passports. When a cruise collects the passports (which they did in this case) it is because they are visiting some ports that require all passports be available for inspection before the ship is allowed entry. If any of their following ports were such ports, or the disembarkation port, these passportless folks would have created problems for the whole ship.

I don't think anyone has anything to worry about as far as the rules changing for the next level thereby taking that away just as one was about to get there. I also don't think any new loyalty program will be designed to cost Carnival anything more than the current program. So, my wild guess: All the current levels and requirements to reach the level will remain the same. Additional levels will be added to address the problems of "if everyone is special, no one is special." Borrowing terms from the casino cruises, let's say they add a "Ultra" level and the new top level is "Elite." What they can do to take care of the problems of too many having priority boarding is to just add two higher levels in the priority of boarding. Instead of boarding Diamond then Platinum, their boarding order would be Elite, Ultra, Diamond, Platinum. They may make all the Diamond and Ultra events with the Captain drinks and hors d'Oeuvres and the Elite event a proper sit down lunch. The priority spa and tender items would again have a Elite, Ultra, Diamond priority order. That kind of approach would not cost Carnival any more than the current cost but would take care of the main areas where everyone being special means no one is special. Yes, Diamond and Platinum would be less special, but still special.

I second what St. Greg said. Fulton is secure and provides excellent shuttle service. We found out about Fulton by following St. Greg's reviews, so thanks St. Greg.

We have mostly stopped sailing Carnival EXCEPT for Journeys cruises. The biggest difference, and it is huge, is the clientele. The passengers are older, more polite and considerate, and more experienced cruisers who take things in stride. There are few kids, including college kids. For us this is a big plus. If you prefer a booze cruise it is a detriment. As for smokers... Yes a greater percent of older folks smoke. But if you don't smoke just stay away from the places you already stay away from because of smoke. As for reduced perks... Priority boarding, including tenders, is the only thing we noticed though I suspect if guaranteed dining times and reservations matters to you that may also be affected. But we have always gotten Your Time Dining and haven't had any problems. There usually are more scooters and folks generally walk slower. The Diamond Captain's event is usually broken into two events such as half scheduled for a lunch one day and the other half the next day. There are usually some unusual activities offered like dancing classes. We absolutely love the Journeys cruises.

I think they kind of changed it already. They cut down on the labor cost by not delivering your water, pin and nylon bag (in the shape of a fanny pack or makeup bag or whatever the shape of the day) to the room; the value of pin and water might be the same as old, but the nylon bag is cheaper than the pre-covid gifts; the chocolate delights are not what they once were (less quantity and lower quality) and the platinum/diamond party has done away with hors d'oeuvres. None of this is of any real concern because the platinum and diamond benefits never were impressive, with the most valuable items being service items (like priority boarding and laundry etc) but they have whittled down the benefits about as much as possible without officially declaring certain benefits gone. The only thing I feel sure of about concerning any new loyalty program is that it will cost Carnival less than the current program.