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On two of the Sun's stops in May and June you have 3 other large ships in port, including 2 NCL ships with one being over 5000. However on two of the other cancelled stops one had 6000 scheduled and one 7000. Congestion should not have been a problem on those 2 days. Wonder if Santoroni is going to reinstate the 8000 limit they had on around 2016.

Probably even more disappointing with the Chargers getting a good coach. The division should be even more interesting next year.

Funny thing is we have been there 4 times. One time with 4 ships and over 11000 passengers. The tram can carry about 1200 passengers per hour. Have seen lines, especially during the last hour before a ship leaves. Last time got there about 5 pm with 3 ships in port and two getting ready to leave. When we got to the top station there was a line out the station, wrapping over to the main street and going about a block down the street. Walked past about a half hour later and the line was gone. Have not seen what was described about the Sun's last visit. Does not make sense for 1 4200 ship visit. Either their were having problems and the tram was running slow or the other possibility is that there is limited space in the tender loading area in the old dock. Basically a span of concrete made 30 feet wide in front of a couple of restaurants. If that space was full they will slow down the rate at which the tram would take people down from the top. So I wonder @Sox Fan Cruiser how crowded was the old port area when you got down there from your hike down? How long did you wait to board a tender once you got there? How often was the tram running? They can run it about every 2 minutes.

Nope Oceania. Was talking about the land restaurants Did not pay any attention to what people wore in the gdr.

Was just in French Polynesia and Hawaii. Every restaurant we were in everyone was wearing shorts.

With a few changes to the original. After reading this stream I can just imagine Dean Martin singing Everybody offends somebody sometime Everybody offends someone somehow Something in your attire just told me Your sometime is now

Fairly steep, slippery from the donkey dung. Need to clean ones shoes afterwards.

Problem is that two of the canceled stops had fewer than 6000 in port. Not busy at all by Santorini standards.

Thanks. That eliminates that hypothesis then.

Interesting that some were lumping pajamas on planes into discussion. Keep in mind some airlines give you pajamas in long haul flights in first and business class to change into on board.

An example Was talking with an entertainer on a Oceania ship. He joined the ship in Honolulu to work the at sea days on the way back to LA. He said His fiance could not join him because since he was working PVSA did not apply. But his fiance, even though she was not paying a fare and would have been staying in his cabin, would still have been considered to be a passenger and restricted by PVSA since she was not working on that cruise (she is also an entertainer, just not on that cruise).

Unable to find any data on Bar Harbor, but data from Key West indicated that 50% of tourist days was from cruise ships and 50% from land travelers fly or drive). The half from cruise ships generated 15% of tourism spend, the land based half generated 85% of tourism spend. If you are over run by tourists and negatively impacting quality of life in the town, which half are you going to limit? I expect Bar Harbor numbers would be similar.

Now if only we knew what they mean by technical restrictions.

It happens. What did the schedule say then? Was there another CCL owned ship in port on that day? Have been there 3 times on Princess ships and we docked. 2 of the times there was a Celebrity ship there and they tendered. This year the schedule for the Sun shows Mykonos docked, not tendering. If there is a chance for tendering the schedule will usually indicate tendor port. We will see for sure on May 3 and May 24 when there are 3 ships in port when the Sun is there.

Yes Santorini has required their tenders for years. When I say tender operations I am not saying the tenders themselves more likely an issue with the tender docks. Could be any number of potential issues. Problems with one of more of the hatches/dock themselves, the height relative to the tenders, the way the tenders tie off, etc. Anything that impacts the loading/unloading process or potentially could make it less safe. If there is any potential known safety issue they would certainly not tender. What we do know is that Princess said that they canceled their maiden voyage to Santorini saying that there was a technical problem with tender operations. There has been 1 stop with tendering in Santorini but no other tender stops. Which might indicate that they thought they had resolved the issue but then discovered that it was not resolved. Would be interesting to know if on that cruise if Kotor was scheduled before or after Santorini. If after if Kotor was cancelled before or after the Santorini stop. @Sox Fan Cruiser A couple of the Kotor cancellations have been for technical tendering restrictions. Without saying if those were port restrictions, of ship technical restrictions. They have said that the Santorini cancellations have been due to congestion. Which does match with a couple of dates in June and late May where there is about 15000 passengers in port and the Sun is in port with larger NCL ships. However it does not match with some of the cancelled dates where there were 5000 to 7000 in port. A light load as far as Santorini is concerned. In the past Princess has gone to Santorini with much heavier passenger numbers in port.