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4 hours ago, PacnGoNow said:

Or, could they be designating it for CC dining?  Or, the 360 experience?
I guess you will find out soon. Let us know.  

 

Did they book anything for you?  Or, did you have to rebook?

 

No. I now have to rebook.

Is the Cielo dining room closed on Sky?

Or a simple glitch in the system?

I had MDR bookings for my entire cruise for the 28th of January. I looked this morning and the reservations were gone, and there is no mention of the Cielo even existing. 

I think that any cruise is still vulnerable from a port point of view for the foreseeable future.

As in a port may randomly deny entry based on a number of factors.

A seven day cruise with 5 ports may lose a port or two due to restrictions.

Or rapidly changing rules. Especially if there is no clear proof of vaccination.

3 minutes ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

Nope.  Absolutely Not.  Won't be mess.  Florida isn't targeting the cruise industry.  Clarification should be out within a few days.   No need to worry.

 

Feel free to come back in a few days and say: 

 

Pee, you were correct.

If this is true, it is hard to clarify this.....

Seems pretty straightforward to me....

They have specifically mentioned the cruise industry.

Now, they may back down and change their minds, but to call that clarification is just a way to save face. Yes, politicians do it every day, so it would not surprise me.

How do you clarify what they said when they specifically call out the cruise industry and mention fines for each passenger asked?

Just now, cltnccruisers said:

I read the same article you cited.  Still seems to me, though, that since the industry isn't screaming bloody murder there may be a way through this.

There is definitely a work around......dock in another state.

So far this seems pretty clear.

1 minute ago, cltnccruisers said:

The healthcare industry is exempt as a matter of public safety.  If that is in "the spirit of the law" couldn't the same apply to the cruise industry?  After all, the industry was widely pilloried as a health hazard when this started.  So requiring proof for a few thousand passengers might be considered a public safety measure.

According to the governor's office, it does not seem to matter. These are not my words, they are their own words. 

51 minutes ago, cltnccruisers said:

Have you actually read the law?  I admit I have not.  I've read enough legislation that there isn't enough Tylenol on the planet to make me do it again.  I'm going on quotes from DiSantis' people all of which used the term "vaccine passports" not "documentation proof".  If Online Check-In is enabled for our August cruise tomorrow as it should be I expect (hope) there to be a section to enter proof by way of the data on my vaccine card. 

 If the cruise line, a subsidiary of Royal Caribbean Group, follows through, it will be "subject to a fine of $5,000" for each customer asked to show vaccination status, the governor's office said.

Pretty clear from the above.....this is going to be a mess.

And they are fairly clear that they are talking about simply asking for vaccination status, and not a specific document.

2 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

Everyone that is worried about the Florida vaccine passport regulation must not have anything else to worry about.  During a TA webinar yesterday the Celebrity Sales VP assured everyone that it won’t be a problem.   She told everyone that the Florida regulation was targeted to bars, restaurants, Walmart, CVS, etc., not the cruise industry.  The governor and the cruise line executives are working on a statement that clarifies the issue and that should be out in a couple of days.  It won’t be a problem.

Looking like it is definitely targeting the cruise line industry....

 If the cruise line, a subsidiary of Royal Caribbean Group, follows through, it will be "subject to a fine of $5,000" for each customer asked to show vaccination status, the governor's office said.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said Thursday that Celebrity's requirement that 95 percent of all passengers over 16 be fully vaccinated "violates the spirit" of an executive order he issued barring "vaccine passports," as well as a state law that goes into effect July 1. If the cruise line, a subsidiary of Royal Caribbean Group, follows through, it will be "subject to a fine of $5,000" for each customer asked to show vaccination status, the governor's office said.

3 hours ago, Homosassa said:

 

As I repeatedly have posted, you must read and understand every word.

 

Read the last sentence.

 

The CDC is issuing guidance to the cruise industry.  The CDC is federal and supersedes state law. The CDC guidance recommends vaccination of the crew and passengers.  If a cruise line has an agreement with the CDC to follow and implement the guidance, then vaccinations are required and the cruise line will implement screening protocols to make sure crew and passengers are in compliance (proof of vaccination).

 

And none of that matters or means anything if the country that the ship is traveling to requires the passport or proof of vaccination.

Just because some US governor makes a rule, it does not mean that any other countries, or, any other state needs to obey it.

Simply put, if a cruise ship can not ask for proof, they will not be allowed to enter other waters.

So either they get the proof, or move to a more reasonable and sane state.

On 5/1/2021 at 5:46 AM, deliver42 said:

So far kids over 16 can be vaccinated, and they're talking about as little as 12, and that should make the 95% useable. At the beginning, I can't see parents lining up to take small children on a cruise.

I would like to believe that to be true. But we all know that some people are very irresponsible. 

10 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

The lines can always choose to go the hard way and have unvaccinated cruises if they are insistent on keeping a large under 18 passenger cohort. But their restart will be even more delayed and difficult to put in place. I believe that it is a huge risk to have unvaccinated crew or passengers on board any ship for the near future. I wouldn’t go anywhere near one. 

And most countries would not allow them to visit

On 4/28/2021 at 1:46 PM, donaldsc said:

 

If the sailings don't sail out of US ports, how can the CDC stop sailings out of Nassau.  Nassau is an independent country and is not regulated by US regulations.

 

DON

The OP did not say anything about the CDC preventing the cruise, but did say not allowing US citizens from going on those cruises.

Big difference.

3 hours ago, Ken the cruiser said:

Something tells me whatever happens, the cruise lines will be allowed to continue along the path both the CDC and they have currently agreed to, especially when it comes to vaccination requirements. But, then again, we're over here in the peanut gallery, so what do I know.

Does it really matter?

The CDC, and the Florida governor have ZERO control over what other countries require for a ship to enter their ports.

The ships will need to comply with each and every country that they enter. 

22 hours ago, 4774Papa said:

Perhaps true, but why isn't our government concerned about the thousands (approximately 10%) of illegals coming across our borders  in the past few months?

What does this have to do with the topic of overriding the CDC no sail order?

It is so special when people try to make a point by repeating some non related thing they have heard or read.

4 minutes ago, 4774Papa said:

On a cruise where everyone has been vaccinated or has antibodies from having the virus?

Yes, on cruises to OTHER countries.

Countries that may or may not have citizens who are vaccinated.

Countries that may or may not have an outbreak that could become an international event. That may make the US decide to block the ship from retuning.

For example, there are many strains that the current vaccines are not blocking at as high a rate.

Of course this is all speculation.

However, it is definitely a possibility.

1 hour ago, 4774Papa said:

Again, I ask how risky it would be taking a cruise with everyone having been vaccinated or having antibodies from having the virus in the past?

 

Also, what is the difference from going to Disney World were thousands of persons are close together, or flying on an airplane.

 

The cruise lines will for sure still require a negative COVID19 test prior to boarding.  Some cruise lines have indicated they will not fill  up the ship with passengers and require tracking, in the unlikely event that someone gets the virus.    

 

I am not being political, I am just analyzing the facts.   Sometimes I wonder just how political CDC's decision may be?   

 

Yes, Disney, flying, and any other close contact is a risk.

However, one has more opportunities to encounter a positive person on a 7 day cruise. 

Russian roulette.

15 hours ago, harkinmr said:

"Discrimination is the act of making unjustified distinctions between human beings based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they are perceived to belong. People may be discriminated on the basis of race, gender, age, religion, or sexual orientation, as well as other categories."

 

Cruise lines are by no means a "protected class".  They are treated differently than other US businesses have been during the pandemic simply because of the type of business they are engaged in and the mandate given to the CDC.  You can bet that if the CDC believed they had the ability to control other activities and businesses in the US they would have done so instead of simply issuing guidance and hoping it would be followed.  State and local governments have control over businesses like hotels, casinos, theme parks, restaurants, movie theaters and arenas, for example.  They who hold the keys get the control.  Fair or not.  

No. Cruising is not a State or local activity. They are an international activity.

And, at the end of the day, you are in close contact with others for extended periods of time with no ability to leave if you want.

2 hours ago, 4774Papa said:

Cruising should be allowed by July, considering the pace of vaccinations in the USA.  Require a vaccination or proof that you have had the virus.    We just did a trip from Georgia to Texas by air and airports are showing more passengers.  Our flights were full, however Delta had middle seats blocked unless you were traveling with others.  

Just because airports are busy, does not mean that it is safe

17 hours ago, CGTNORMANDIE said:

I have sat and read all the above.  Basically it comes down to the big question...if the cruise lines declare that all passengers must be vaccinated and the CDC continues to deny cruising.  Does this mean that the government does not believe the vaccines are effective???  I almost wish just one cruise ship would step up to bat and dock in Florida to take on passengers who have received the vaccines.  The CDC could halt the cruise and a court would have to decide if the vaccine really works.  If the vaccines are judged to be effective then cruising should commence.  Those pax who want to cruise may do so at their own risk and those who want iron clad guarantees can stay home.  

And, according to the governor, the ship docking in Florida could not ask for proof of vaccination. So it can never happen.

On 4/13/2021 at 1:10 PM, txflood33 said:

 

6 blood clots out of 7 million doses administered is more than a 1 in a million chance this happens.

That would be less than 1 in a million

16 minutes ago, NMTraveller said:

And my emotional support emu and my wife's emotional support shark.

That would be one way to get the pool to yourself 

And have fresh omelettes

12 minutes ago, ch175 said:

Why do you refer to people as “anti-vaxxers?” Typically insults are the last resort when there isn’t a logical argument to counter facts.

 

I have two high school aged kids. I view the risk of some unknown issue for them down the road related to this vaccine as much worse than anything they would suffer from COVID. Right now, I would prefer they not be vaccinated.

 

There are tough choices to be made by all right now. The blanket term “anti-vaxxer” doesn’t really help.

 

 

 

 

Yes, unknown risk is definitely worse than death.

1 hour ago, K.T.B. said:

The same people doing this are probably the same people who have an "emotional support" snake.

Leave my emotional support peacock out of this.

Or my wife's emotional support alligator.

36 minutes ago, ChucktownSteve said:

 

Irrelevant because U.S. citizens can fly to the islands to embark cruises not sailing to the U.S. and territories. What about the cruises in Greece?

 

Besides, just about every country is considered a high Covid risk except maybe China because that would be considered xenophobic.

All very true. 

Another truth is, countries change their rules all the time. For good reason, and also for pointless reasons.

There is still way too much instability and ongoing spikes in rates all over the world.

And borders open and close all the time right now.

Cruise lines are in rough shape these days.

Sure, opening up the industry would be great. I want to cruise as well.

But, it is still too soon.

If ships started sailing today, and then there was a spike, the ship is turned away from ports, returns here, and all guests receive partial refunds.

That is even more of a burden on the industry.