morechances

6 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

My apologies for mis-quoting you.   Sorry I mistook you for a wacko.

There are certainly some days that I wonder if I am.  😄 

10 hours ago, ipeeinthepool said:

 

I don't agree.  You certainly have a right not to be vaccinated, but nowhere do you have a right to cruise.  You may well sacrifice your right to cruise if you haven't been vaccinated.  No one wants their cruise to be disrupted because you chose not to get vaccinated and the cruise has to be disrupted to take you to port or to quarantine any of your close contacts.

 

If you don't get vaccinated I hope the cruise lines leave you on the dock.

If you choose to use my quote, please use it completely!

You left out the first part where I pointed out that this would be something that a wacko rights person would say.

You are the reason we have fake news!

3 hours ago, LGW59 said:

This cruise, Oct 17, 2022, also includes a 13 hour stop at Haifa.  If I stick with (it's a def bucket list for me) I will probably take earlier advice and get a hotel for the night in Jerusalem.  Also am now considering the one with the overnight in Istanbul.

Now you have me thinking about the Istanbul cruise....... a few years ago I was on a Reflection cruise scheduled to stop there but it was substituted due to the civil issues at that time. I have been a few times through the airport, but no significant time there.

Just now, Turtles06 said:

 

Yes, another of my favorite "ports."  Also Paris. 

Exactly!!!!

Point being.....

A lot of ports are simply not where a ship docks, but where one would typically visit. 

2 minutes ago, Turtles06 said:

 

 

 

@LGW59  it would appear that the humor plane that @Airbalancer was piloting flew right over your head, even with Airbalancer's humor emoji.   The point is that Jerusalem is not a port, period, not on the Med nor anyplace else.  It is inland.  Yes, you can TRAVEL there, overland, from a ship that is docked at a port on the Med, but the APEX will not be "doing an overnight in Jerusalem," any more than ships docked overnight in Alexandria, Egypt, are "doing an overnight in Cairo."   😊 

Or Rome

10 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

I knew it was a fair distance away but had not realized it was that far.  Good thing it is an overnight.  Thx!

Traffic can be brutal at times as well. 

I think that I paid an extra $100 for the hotel. And it was really close to a lot of great restaurants. I was definitely happy to have booked that tour. And it was great for getting to see more of the region.

26 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

We are also booked on APEX Israel, Oct, 17, 2022, love that it does an overnight in Jerusalem.

I did a similar cruise a couple of years ago. 

I found a tour that included a hotel stay in Jerusalem. 

It was a great way to save the 3 or so hours (or more) of travel time from the ship to the city.

And gave me more time to explore. 

The port is no where near the city.

1 hour ago, nomad098 said:

 

I offer my sympathies for your personal circumstances.

 

The question is not should people be vaccinated that's a personal choice we all have to make for ourselves, unless the government tries to make it mandatory then a whole new set of legal problems emerge, me personally I will be happy to have the Astrazeneca vaccine when it is available.

 

The question is will vaccines be required to cruise.

 

There are many reasons why a cruise line may make it a policy to benefit their customers and themselves.

 

There are also many other reasons legally and logistically why they may not. 

 

A lot of people on these forums believe it is a forgone conclusion that a vaccine will be required to cruise, some of us are pointing out that it is not quite that simple. 

 

 

 

 

There are no legal reasons for not requiring vaccinations. 

Wackos may try, but it is a choice of a company to mandate them. Not...... I have a right to cruise without getting vaccinations. 

Because the other 2000 passengers also have rights. The right to be safe and protected against any risks associated with this. 

These are private organizations and as long as they are not breaking human rights laws, they are able to make any rules that they want. 

You, as a passenger, choose to accept or reject the rules. By boarding or not.

Cruise lines may not mandate vaccinations, but will still have a responsibility to make sure that ALL rules of a country where the ship docks are met, prior to boarding. 

This will mean that you may be denied boarding if you do not meet the requirements for a particular stop.

Same as airlines confirm that you have a visa for a country, if required, prior to being allowed to board a specific international flight. 

On the other hand, if cruise lines decide to make vaccinations mandatory for travel,  to safeguard ALL passengers, then they will. 

And you have a choice.....accept the rules, or go somewhere else for your vacation needs.

You are never going to make everyone happy. But the companies will have to decide on what is the best way to keep their passengers safe. 

And to keep from having to close down again. 

The themed entertainment industry, like Disney parks, and Universal, have mandatory mask and temperature check requirements. 

NO EXCEPTIONS!!

People are still going. And, those who are not complying to the requirements are being removed from the parks. Simple.

22 hours ago, nomad098 said:

People keep posting that vaccination will be a requirement and posts like that they will be "waving from the ship to the unvaccinated on the dock"

 

Have you actually got any documentary proof that this will be the case?

Has any cruise line or government body specifically stated this will happen?

 

Or is this just a personal view and something you would want the cruise lines to do but is not actually a fact.

 

Governments have not issued a vaccine requirement to travel as far as I am aware

And only personal views from company employees on the matter have been expressed not actually company policy changed and issued.

 

I have no issues with the cruise lines introducing a vaccination policy but I am enough of a realist to understand the complicated practicalities involved in such a decision.

 

What I don't understand is people posting opinion as fact.

 

Both a vaccination to travel will be needed or a vaccination will not be needed to travel are both equally true at this moment in time, until a decision is made.

There are already, and have been for many years, vaccine requirements for entry in to certain countries. 

7 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

Yes that is what I go, I am paying for 2, as you are but in sky suite yhey kick it up some

In a Sky Suite, that should be included, without the $60/day extra. 

5 minutes ago, morechances said:

Concierge class, sunset cabin. Paying full price, solo traveler.

Paid the $60/day, and as you can see..... only $400 OBC.

Booked directly on the Celebrity website. 

In my case, it is a loss of money. 

9 minutes ago, LGW59 said:

I don't know about your invoices/confirmations, mine is $800 OBC for a solo cruise.  You post lots of various cost breakdowns, with no reference to room type etc. Goota compares apples to apples, not an apple to an orange  

Concierge class, sunset cabin. Paying full price, solo traveler.

Paid the $60/day, and as you can see..... only $400 OBC.

Booked directly on the Celebrity website. 

In my case, it is a loss of money. 

On 12/21/2020 at 6:56 PM, LGW59 said:

And if you are a solo cruiser, the OBC is $800, very generous.

I am a solo cruiser, and it is only $400, not $800. It is $60/day per person, not per cabin.

$11/day bev is $154

$21/day streaming is $294 Minus my 10% Captains Club discount. $265

$419  total

Plus $400 credit

Total of $819

Total cost @$60/day $840

So you pay $21 more.

1 hour ago, phoenix_dream said:

Exactly.  The prices are overall way higher than 125% of their 2020 pricing (and that is true considering the new all-inclusive methods).  Lifting and shifting is one thing - it can be beneficial in many cases (albeit not all).  But that 25% bump for FCC is virtually worthless IMHO.

In some cases, that is very true. At the moment, anyways. 

The real ripoff that I have seen is the upgrade to premium packages, $60/day on my Transpacific. Definitely not worth it. Doing the math, it is more expensive.

Not a lot of investments pay 25% short term. 

1 hour ago, Fouremco said:

Not only do the rules differ, but the extent of the punishment when in breach of the rules. While I support the initiatives of the Cayman Islands in combatting COVID-19, the punishment in this case was overly severe IMO.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/18/us/college-student-prison-cayman-islands/index.html

On the surface, it does appear extreme. 

But an extreme should deter people from doing something. 

The Caymans are built on 2 industries, finance and tourism. 

Covid is killing both.

As well, if someone spreads THE VIRUS, and it overwhelmed the few local hospitals, it would have dire consequences for everyone on the island. 

A $10 fine, as opposed to jail time would not have an effect. Yes, 2 extremes, but simply an example. 

8 minutes ago, larry_s_taco said:

Be careful when traveling independently. I saw an article today about an 18 year old on spring brake in Grand Caymen who received  4 month prison sentence for ignoring the Covid mandates.

Ignoring the rules..... has nothing to do with traveling independently. Simply means that the person was stupid, and Ignored the local rules. They deserve it!!!!

But, yes, this is another example of how the rules differ from one place to the next. 

I am sure that there are hundreds of posts throughout the boards from people who are angry with a cruise line because a port was canceled. This may be due to weather, illness, civil unrest or many other reasons. 

I am one of those people who book a cruise based on a specific port. I was on a cruise a few years ago that I only chose because of a stop in Istanbul. Unfortunately, they canceled the stop due to warnings of civil unrest. 

Another where weather prevented us from docking. And I cruise once a year. So pretty sure there are many people who have a lot more experience with canceled ports.

Imagine the captain's daily message......

Good morning guests, as you can see, we are not docked in........ insert location here...... The local authorities would not allow us to dock because the passengers in cabin 1130 were not vaccinated. So, the rest of you 1998 passengers have to suffer because of 2 anti-vaxers.

On the topic of FCCs, you are getting a 25% bonus if your cruise was canceled. 

If prices are higher,you are probably not paying much more out of your pocket for a new cruise. 

Pretty simple. A ship,business and/or person can choose to make and enforce rules on private property as they see fit. And you can agree or disagree. Accept or reject the service or product. 

It is all about safety. 

An airline can refuse boarding if someone is deemed a risk. Or removed from a flight for the same reason. Try getting on a plane falling down drunk. 

And every person has the ability to accept the rules or not. If not, then you choose not to participate in that activity. 

Cruising is not a right. It is a privilege. 

I should be allowed to feel safe and protected from potential risks. 

If I am not comfortable with an activity, then I will not participate. 

Every day someone knowingly gets in a vehicle with a drunk driver. And, as sad as it is, they are putting themselves at risk. By choice. 

If there are no rules in place, I will simply cancel my trips. Or perhaps find a destination where rules are in place. 

Most cruises stop in multiple countries. And each country will have its own rules. So there will be times where a ship may not be permitted to dock if there are certain restrictions. Or, there will be a requirement for boarding in the first place. Not a rule of the boarding country, but it has to still apply for the entire cruise. 

The views far outweigh the minor inconveniences in my opinion. I have had an aft cabin on several different ships and only had 1 time that I had a shirt with marks on it. The cabin crew do a great job of cleaning up any soot. 

It really depends on how much time you have and what you want to do. Renting a car and taking the ferry is an option, but it depends on how quickly you want to get there, and if you want to take another boat.

Harbourair is nice, if you like small planes. Great views.

13 minutes ago, sirvegetables said:

Does anyone know if HAL will book a transfer package from Vancouver port to Victoria island following an Alaska cruise?  Or has anyone done it on their own?

It is actually called Vancouver Island. 

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