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  1. Assuming the last two smaller ships are also destined for the auction block or breakers' beach, then HAL will have abandoned the small(er) ships market. Wonder whether that also signals a significant shift in target demographic -- given that so many of HAL's most loyal clients were older and many preferred the now-gone smaller ships. If the four Vistas are the smallest and the elegant explorer crowd must look elsewhere, then HAL seems like just another mid-market line aimed at a middle-aged market. Not too many children, not many onboard activities but nothing special about the itineraries and smaller ports no longer longer a lure. What's the brand identity?
  2. Lady Arwen and Sir PMP I truly sorry if I upset you or caused offense. My sincere apologies to you and others if they too were offended. For what its worth, I too am part of the vulnerable cohort that faces a much higher risk of death or serious injury from Covid-19. So my post wasn't aimed at others. Just the opposite. It was a stark assessment (about which you may disagree) about the dire circumstances facing HAL because such a high percentage of its previous clientele are those most vulnerable to Covid-19. In the past that wasn't a high-risk corporate strategy. Quite the opposite. It allowed CCL to position various brands to appeal to different segments of the cruise market. HAL's was the brand which appealed, for various reasons, to an older demographic. In my opinion, that positioning is now high-risk, at least until the disease is extinguished or a very high percentage vaccine is available. That assessment may be very unpleasant to countenance. But sugar-coating a truth doesn't help.
  3. HAL going forward: To survive it needs to dump not just its smaller ships but its older, sicker clientele. Unless (and that may be never) a 95% vaccine (like measles) not a 50% vaccine (like flu) exists and potential passengers can be forced to prove they have been vaccinated, then HAL's longstanding focus on an older and thus much more vulnerable demographic is corporate idiocy. Unlike gastro, a Corona outbreak that erupts in a ship full of old and/or especially vulnerable passengers rife with pre-existing conditions -- a plague ship -- could wreck the company. So the next incarnation of HAL (there have been several) will have to appeal to a less vulnerable demographic. CCL will abandon high-risk, low reward passengers, no matter how loyal.
  4. Where cruise ships go to die. Sad. But either the breakers' yards or third-tier lines seems the likely fate of all HAL's ships smaller than the Vistas.
  5. From a strategic point of view; CCL has a number of brands and thus options. The corporation is currently in a self-induced coma in life-support mode. Borrowing billions to survive and attempting to limit the running costs of hugely expensive assets (ships) to a minimum. Returning CCL to financial health will require focusing initially on plucking the low-hanging fruit. (Apologies for the mixed metaphor.) And that low-hanging fruit will likely be short cruises aimed at the healthiest segment of the market and therefore those least likely to make headlines with multiple deaths or as a plague ship. Given HAL's reputation (even if it's exaggerated) as a retirement home afloat with a demographic that is both significantly older and far more likely to have pre-existing conditions and/or compromised immune systems, it seems unlikely (to me at least) that refloating HAL will be a priority. On the contrary. Dumping small ships and keeping those which could (easily) be re-branded to other CCL lines strikes me as strategically wise.
  6. Agreed. And the fact remains that HAL's demographic means it will be among the last to safely resume. And "safely" may mean accepting a higher death rate on board, one tolerable by other cruisers and HAL's insurers.
  7. There's no evidence (yet) that herd immunity is lasting. In fact, there's considerable debate about whether even individual immunity; i.e. the presence of antibodies lasts more than a few weeks or months. Perhaps of greater relevance to HAL's future is this ugly truth. In the absence of a 100% vaccine and a HAL requirement that 100% of its passengers are vaccinated before being allowed on board, the stark reality remains that HAL's demographic, both in terms of age and the evident prevalence of pre-existing conditions probably make it the least likely of all Carnival brands to resume sailing soon.
  8. Quite right, followed by a closely confined senior care home. HAL's ships which combine the crowding (almost) of the former and the demographics (mostly) of the latter, get the Bronze for most deadly place to be.
  9. Cruising is not constitutionally protected. So to refuse to sell a ticket or to refuse boarding or to remove from the ship, those who fail to meet medical minimums isn't illegal. Frankly it's no different than roller coaster operators who specify minimum height and maximum weight criteria. If there's a reasonable safety and/or operational reason, then the operator can refuse those who fail to meet requirements. Some cruise operators refuse children. Others require medical certificates. And, I very much doubt that the morbidly obese or or those with chronic and serious diseases would have much luck in the courts trying to force a cruise line to carry them by claiming discrimination. It's only unlawful discrimination if it's based on a constitutionally protected class. So race, gender, sexual preference etc etc. But for HAL or any other cruise operator to set minimum requirements of health so as to reduce the danger to others would likely pass legal muster. It might be a poor commercial decision (although maybe not) but it's not unlawful.
  10. Maybe, ... if it's a regulatory or contractual requirement that the passenger meet certain medical or ambulatory or other health standards to protect themselves and others and that individual fails to meet those regulatory or contractual requirements at the time of boarding then he/she is in breach and can't expect compensation. But the requirements need to be unambiguous and would-be passengers must know them with specificity in advance. Just like you can get denied entry into a country if you aren't properly vaccinated. If you fail, you pay your own flight home. Those in doubt, need insurance.
  11. Smallpox was eradicated in the late 1970s, through vaccination. Many countries, including the United States in some instances, require proof of various vaccinations prior to issuing visas and/or permitting entry. So, domestically, do many school systems. Herd immunity is the single best safeguard against epidemics. Recent lethal outbreaks of measles have resulted from parents declining to protect their children. There's nothing new nor unusual about nations or other levels of government requiring vaccines (when available) against new or recurrent viral or other disease. It's basic public health.
  12. No one-size fits all policy will ever satisfy everyone. There will always be outliers who, perhaps justly, feel the policy discriminates against them. Same as insurance. Young males pay significantly higher premiums because young male drivers (in aggregate) cause far more deaths, injuries and property damage than other demographic segments. It's a commercial transaction. Going on a cruise is not a constitutionally-protected activity so certain types of commercial discrimination will be lawful. So, if a cruise line decides it wants nothing to do with children (i.e. Virgin -- not for health reasons) or over-70s or those without a medical certificate, it may take a financial hit from losing some customers but doing so isn't illegal. Some may regard that as unfair. They can take their money elsewhere. Others may regard the absence of certain demographics as cruise enhancing. Evaluating every potential customer individually isn't commercially viable, any more so that an auto insurer opting to give individualized premiums to the 23-year-old male because he can prove he's safer/fitter/whatever than the norm.
  13. Miraflores locks webcam Same site has another webcam of Gatun locks at north end. Assume Rotterdam and Zaandam will both transit in the cheaper/older/smaller locks unless traffic requires otherwise. Both now seemed to have joined the queue.
  14. In fact, the much-admired Captain Albert provided a clear and concise account several days ago of the special meeting called by Rotterdam's captain in which he outlined the basis for the voyage which was beyond the scope of the crew's contract. That account may not explicitly deal with all of the fine details but it is not "nothing."
  15. As of 11 am EDT Rotterdam has turned away from the approaches to the canal and is listing its destination as "Anchorage" Port Balboa, Panama, which is to the west of the canal entrance. Zaandam, a few miles further south, is still roughly in line with the Panama canal queue. But she could veer off too as did Rotterdam. Apologies copies Max2003 post
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