chrispb Posted January 9, 2010 #151 Share Posted January 9, 2010 What about the crew who smoke? They can hardly stop passengers smoking and continue to allow the crew to puff away. The ship is their home during a voyage as well as their workplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettienets Posted January 9, 2010 #152 Share Posted January 9, 2010 The other thing about Carnival is that the ships that have designated spa cabins have that entire area non-smoking--including cabins and balconies with stiff penalties if anyone is caught smoking in the cabin or on the balcony. That would be a nice start for HAL to consider--although it would bug me a tad to have to pay extra for a non-smoking cabin. That is only on two ships, the new Dream and Splendor so far. I was just on the Dream transatlantic in a no smoking spa room, very nice, but you did have to pay extra but that was ok becasue I wanted the spa amenities! Most of the casino was smoke free too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxguy77 Posted January 9, 2010 #153 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Woohoo! I'm feeling much better about having an OV for our trip next summer. Thanks! :-D One reason I booked an OV on our first HAL cruise. You'll love it, best stateroom ever (well, not counting the old NCL Crown). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 10, 2010 #154 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I think if HAL would just segregate the ship so one side is smoking and the other isn't, would make it more tolerable for non-smokers and give a cruise option to smokers. If you make a late reservation and stuck on the wrong side, at least you will know. There are too few smokers to do that. If the numbers were 50% smokers and the same non-smoker, it might be viable. That is not the case. I wonder what percentage of cruisers are smokers? I think they will lose a lot of customers if they have a smoke free cruise. Give or take a percent or two, 20% of adult Americans are smokers. I think the number is slightly higher in Canada but close. Hard to say what percent of those who smoke cruise but I'm sure the cruise lines know. ;) What about the crew who smoke? They can hardly stop passengers smoking and continue to allow the crew to puff away. The ship is their home during a voyage as well as their workplace. There are restrictions where crew can smoke in crew areas of the ship. No smoking is permitted in their dining areas and it is more limited than ever as to where they can smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutland Gate Posted January 10, 2010 #155 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I was flying some 100,000 miles a year when the airline smoking restrictions began. At first, flights to the US had smoking restricted to a "Smoking Section". On US flights it was in the back of the bus. Air France chose to have smoking on the left side of the aircraft, and non smoking on the right side! In Antwerp, on a business trip, I was in a restaurant where an American woman demanded to be seated in a non smoking section. The waiter put her at a table in a deserted part of the room, but as locals came in she was surrounded by people lighting up cigarettes. She complained, and the waiter said "But there is no one smoking at your table. And it goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRL_Joanie Posted January 10, 2010 #156 Share Posted January 10, 2010 There are too few smokers to do that. If the numbers were 50% smokers and the same non-smoker, it might be viable. That is not the case. Give or take a percent or two, 20% of adult Americans are smokers. I think the number is slightly higher in Canada but close. Hard to say what percent of those who smoke cruise but I'm sure the cruise lines know. ;) There are restrictions where crew can smoke in crew areas of the ship. No smoking is permitted in their dining areas and it is more limited than ever as to where they can smoke. Thought you'd like to see this photo and see if you can tell me what part of the Crew area this is?? I am not positive if it is their dining area or?? http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Volendam/Sage_DSC01803.JPG Joanie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 10, 2010 #157 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Sorry, Joanie. I didn't click the link. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimVrhovac Posted January 10, 2010 #158 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I hate to even approach this tired subject as no opinions wil ever be changed. On our last cruise we were invited to the question and answer session with the senior officers on the last day of the cruise. An avid non smoker brought up the subject of HAL going non smoking and about the surveys that they do all the time. I raised my hand and poointed out that I was a smoker and voiced my opinion of the smoking policies. The hotel manager stated this (I PARAPHRASE): -Approximately 7-9% of our cruisers are smokers. -Approximately 30% of our cruisers sail with a smoker. -There was a cruise line recently (he would nat say who) that tried to go non smoking or severely restrict smoking and they almost went ankrupt. -It is virtually imposible to book a group without smokers. -Holland America has no plans to change their smoking policies in the near future. I am just reporting went on at that session and not voicing my opinion. I just put salt and butter on the new popcorn machine we got for christmas Ruth & Jm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRL_Joanie Posted January 10, 2010 #159 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Sorry, Joanie. I didn't click the link. ;) I am posting it here as an attachment, but it is so small, the much larger photo is in the link above. This is on the Volendam: Joanie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 10, 2010 #160 Share Posted January 10, 2010 What's the date/time? I've been told that on Noordam, Maasdam, Eurdodam and other ships, the crew voted and the majority said No smoking in dining area. It may be no smoking when food is being served which I doubt is 24/7. Presumably, there are hours of service which accomodate the various work schedules. That photo could well be at a time when there was no food service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRL_Joanie Posted January 10, 2010 #161 Share Posted January 10, 2010 What's the date/time? I've been told that on Noordam, Maasdam, Eurdodam and other ships, the crew voted and the majority said No smoking in dining area. It may be no smoking when food is being served which I doubt is 24/7. Presumably, there are hours of service which accomodate the various work schedules. That photo could well be at a time when there was no food service. CC member Sage sent me the photos of her 2005 cruise and this may have been from the same year. Not sure though. I agree, that it could be no smoking during eating hours, but, who knows. Joanie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 10, 2010 #162 Share Posted January 10, 2010 CC member Sage sent me the photos of her 2005 cruise and this may have been from the same year. Not sure though. I agree, that it could be no smoking during eating hours, but, who knows. Joanie And there is good reason to think the photo could be almost five years old. ;) Relevant..... Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debbie2000 Posted January 10, 2010 #163 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I would like to see No Smoking in the Casino, or at least a non-smoking section. We were on the Carnival Liberty in November & they would have temporary No Smoking signs that would be placed on some slot machines, but never consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dislike whingers Posted January 10, 2010 #164 Share Posted January 10, 2010 dont want to burst your bubble but if you look up on the top deck there is a dirty big funnel blowing smoke out,you could ask the captain to switch it off when you are on your balcony i suppose.just enjoy yourself and dont worry what other people are doing to enjoy the themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 10, 2010 #165 Share Posted January 10, 2010 The funnel (ls)have never bothered us on our veranda. Years ago, I remember a few times when it 'burped' soot onto aft pool and that was nasty but we have never had unpleasant funnel odors that I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhansaMi Posted January 10, 2010 #166 Share Posted January 10, 2010 One reason I booked an OV on our first HAL cruise. You'll love it, best stateroom ever (well, not counting the old NCL Crown). Thanks. :-) We had an OV on the Rotterdam summer before last. Enjoyed it. This time, we are on the Prinsendam, but there are three of us in the room (DS, 20, will be with us). We got the largest OV there is, which is larger than some balcony rooms. I'm still a bit concerned about feeling claustophobic, but.... the difference in price is substantial, and since this is Europe, we'd rather put the money toward ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudscraper Posted January 10, 2010 #167 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Whatsa whinger? Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YXU AC*SE Posted January 10, 2010 #168 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Whatsa whinger? Rich In American parlance, a whineyass :-) whinge [hwinj, winj] –verb (used without object), whinged, whing⋅ing. British and Australian Informal. to complain; whine. Origin: bef. 1150; dial. (Scots, N England), earlier Scots quhynge, OE hwinsian (not recorded in ME); c. OHG winsōn (G winseln); deriv. of Gmc base of whine Related forms: whinger, noun Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009. Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudscraper Posted January 10, 2010 #169 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Thanks Scott. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop84 Posted January 10, 2010 #170 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Thought you'd like to see this photo and see if you can tell me what part of the Crew area this is?? I am not positive if it is their dining area or?? http://joanjett2000.topcities.com/HAL/Volendam/Sage_DSC01803.JPG Joanie It looks like a crew dining area or "messroom". I believe they double up as recreation spaces when food is not being served. What's the date/time? I've been told that on Noordam, Maasdam, Eurdodam and other ships, the crew voted and the majority said No smoking in dining area. It may be no smoking when food is being served which I doubt is 24/7. Presumably, there are hours of service which accomodate the various work schedules. That photo could well be at a time when there was no food service. I asked a friend who works on board HAL and he said they started restricting where crew could smoke a few years ago and now they are restricted to a smoking room separate from the main recreation spaces or their cabins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishop84 Posted January 10, 2010 #171 Share Posted January 10, 2010 The totally non-smoking Carnival Paradise was launched in 1998. She remained a totally non-smoking ship through 2003 when Carnival decided they were losing too much money in casino and liquor sales. It still has the most limited smoking venues of the Carnival line. Thanks for the update - I did not realise it was so long ago that she lost the no-smoking status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvkaufman Posted January 10, 2010 #172 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I hate to even approach this tired subject as no opinions wil ever be changed. On our last cruise we were invited to the question and answer session with the senior officers on the last day of the cruise. An avid non smoker brought up the subject of HAL going non smoking and about the surveys that they do all the time. I raised my hand and poointed out that I was a smoker and voiced my opinion of the smoking policies. The hotel manager stated this (I PARAPHRASE): -Approximately 7-9% of our cruisers are smokers. -Approximately 30% of our cruisers sail with a smoker. -There was a cruise line recently (he would nat say who) that tried to go non smoking or severely restrict smoking and they almost went ankrupt. -It is virtually imposible to book a group without smokers. -Holland America has no plans to change their smoking policies in the near future. I am just reporting went on at that session and not voicing my opinion. I just put salt and butter on the new popcorn machine we got for christmas Ruth & Jm We just came off the Eurodam and frankly 2nd hand smoke was a problem for us. On several occasions we were enjoying our aft veranda only to have a smoker in a neighboring cabin light up. The smoke would force us inside. We also had to leave the piano bar as the smoke from the casino was more than we could take. Why would they put a popular venue like the Piano bar off the Casino? I was a heavy smoker for many years but the smell now makes me sick. That being said, I fully support the rights of smokers but HAL should restrict smoking on verandas as it affects those next door. They could do this by making on side smoking as others have suggested. They could and should do the same for cabins just like hotels do / have done for years. Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sail7seas Posted January 10, 2010 #173 Share Posted January 10, 2010 How can they make half of the verandas smoking permitted when only about 20% of the population smokes? Can't make half the verandas smoke permitted when no where near that number want them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted January 10, 2010 #174 Share Posted January 10, 2010 We just came off the Eurodam and frankly 2nd hand smoke was a problem for us. On several occasions we were enjoying our aft veranda only to have a smoker in a neighboring cabin light up. The smoke would force us inside. We also had to leave the piano bar as the smoke from the casino was more than we could take. Why would they put a popular venue like the Piano bar off the Casino? I was a heavy smoker for many years but the smell now makes me sick. That being said, I fully support the rights of smokers but HAL should restrict smoking on verandas as it affects those next door. They could do this by making on side smoking as others have suggested. They could and should do the same for cabins just like hotels do / have done for years. Ryan We have the same problem. We have enjoyed the Piano Bars on the R and S class ships for years. But for the last 2 years we have sailed only on the Vista class ships. The location of the Piano Bar to the smoky Casino has kept us away from there. They leave the Piano Bar doors open most of the day and the smoke just filters into there. We have also had problems with using our verandah on a number of cruises and have been forced inside because of smokers right next to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted January 10, 2010 #175 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I would like to see No Smoking in the Casino, or at least a non-smoking section. We were on the Carnival Liberty in November & they would have temporary No Smoking signs that would be placed on some slot machines, but never consistently. HAL could never have part of the Casino non-smoking -- there is absolutely no way that the smoke would not "float" over to that section. It is one big open area. As it is the ventilation in the Casino on all HAL ships is terrible. You can actually see a low cloud of smoke at various times in there. Even on the couple of evenings when they have a couple of hours of "non-smoking" you can still smell the smoke from before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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