SMigly Posted February 16, 2005 #26 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I agree with being safe but as a smoker I find it difficult to believe that the bic in my pocket is going to harm anyone. If the airlines need to collect them fine but return mine when I arrive at my destination, kinda like a coat check.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrounds Posted February 16, 2005 #27 Share Posted February 16, 2005 Necessity is the Mother of invention Now, the need for self-lighting cigarettes. :D I see, very clearly, the "Shoe-icide" Bomber arguement, but in CHECKED LUGGAGE TOO ? Thomas Jefferson must be turning over in his grave ! :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Time2gocruzn Posted February 16, 2005 #28 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I don't know what to say here. Yes it is a bit disturbing the restrictions the government comes up with to keep us "safe". I am curious to know how a plane could be hijacked wit a book of matches, lol. BUT I guess while it is hard to understand sometimes, I have to trust that they must have SOME reason to do this, as we all know..they don't tell us everything. On a personal note...it amazes me how people get all PO'd about fighting for their right to pay big $$ to slowly kill themselves. Is it really worth it? :confused: Sorry...couldn't resist, lol.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjboothman Posted February 16, 2005 #29 Share Posted February 16, 2005 On a personal note...it amazes me how people get all PO'd about fighting for their right to pay big $$ to slowly kill themselves. Is it really worth it? :confused: Sorry...couldn't resist, lol.:D It's not about the cigarettes; it's about my personal right to be free of excessive governmental intrusion. Today it's a cigarette, tomorrow it's red meat. Who is to say how you choose to kill yourself? Let's outlaw driving in cars because they kill a lot of people. I'm not a smoker, by the way, but still see the danger in surrendering personal freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racegrrl Posted February 16, 2005 #30 Share Posted February 16, 2005 It's not about the cigarettes; it's about my personal right to be free of excessive governmental intrusion. Today it's a cigarette, tomorrow it's red meat. Who is to say how you choose to kill yourself? Let's outlaw driving in cars because they kill a lot of people. I'm not a smoker, by the way, but still see the danger in surrendering personal freedom. I couldn't agree more. Boston Legal did a show on Sunday about a town that outlawed red meat because they considered it a health hazard. Funny, but then you think about it . . . someone else saw that and you know they considered it! :mad: My father is a lead screener for the TSA. I will ask him this evening about these new regulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Time2gocruzn Posted February 16, 2005 #31 Share Posted February 16, 2005 It's not about the cigarettes; it's about my personal right to be free of excessive governmental intrusion. Today it's a cigarette, tomorrow it's red meat. Who is to say how you choose to kill yourself? Let's outlaw driving in cars because they kill a lot of people. I'm not a smoker, by the way, but still see the danger in surrendering personal freedom. I KNOW I KNOW!! I was joking!!! :D Hense the "I couldn't resist" and the ":D". Hey...I know people can pick their poison so whatever does it for ya...have at it! I don't think the government is doing it to restrict my personal freedom, or doing it to send a message I can't smoke because it is bad. I think it is for safety and security reasons. BIG difference between restricting lighters for that reason and restricting them because they think smoking is bad for you. BTW...why would I want to bring red meat on a plane? LOL!!! JOKE AGAIN...better post a disclaimer with my humor this time:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everlast Posted February 16, 2005 #32 Share Posted February 16, 2005 This in my opinion is getting rediculous. I do not smoke, never have but why the rediculous bans. I live in the northeast and to travel anywhere good you need at least one 2 hour layover plus travel time. So anyone who chooses to smoke which is their right not only is unable to untill they land at their destination but then must purchase a new lighter or matches just to throw them away before returning home. Also how do you enforce this, a lighter or matches are undetectable through the metal detectors. So the only ones on the plane with these impliments will be the terrorists we are being "protected" against. I personally would face a terrorist over a plane full of people on a nicotine withdrawl. Remember you may not smoke but your personal preference will be the next one on the chopping block. Please don't burn my hand with a match!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericknow32 Posted February 17, 2005 #33 Share Posted February 17, 2005 so the government is overstepping its boundaries again. it doesn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrounds Posted February 17, 2005 #34 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I don't know what to say here. Yes it is a bit disturbing the restrictions the government comes up with to keep us "safe". I am curious to know how a plane could be hijacked wit a book of matches, lol. djklove, I, as well as others, have mentioned "shoe-icide" in reference to a Middle Eastern man who was just barely prevented from lighting a fuse on explosives packed in the sole of his shoes. I'm not positive, but I think this was at LAX. According to the news reports, he was using matches (could also have used a lighter) to try to set off the explosives while on the plane. He had difficulty in lighting the fuse and was prevented from igniting the explosives by alert and proactive passengers of that flight. I think this new rule is in response to that threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Time2gocruzn Posted February 17, 2005 #35 Share Posted February 17, 2005 djklove, I, as well as others, have mentioned "shoe-icide" in reference to a Middle Eastern man who was just barely prevented from lighting a fuse on explosives packed in the sole of his shoes. I'm not positive, but I think this was at LAX. According to the news reports, he was using matches (could also have used a lighter) to try to set off the explosives while on the plane. He had difficulty in lighting the fuse and was prevented from igniting the explosives by alert and proactive passengers of that flight. I think this new rule is in response to that threat. Right..I was aware of that situation. I wasn't refering to that situation, which, again I am aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenVII Posted February 17, 2005 #36 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Next think you know they will outlaw ice picks on planes. edit: oh wait I guess they already have :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrincessJen Posted February 17, 2005 #37 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I can understand the logic behind the ban however I don't agree with the proposed action. Since the person that attempted to set off the shoe bomb had the lighter/matches with him I don't understand why the ban on checked luggage. Also, at least at JFK in NY, they make you take off your shoes when going through security. Before if you were wearing anything other than sneakers you had to take them off but now regardless of the foot gear it must come off. I thought this was a consequence of the attemted shoe bomber? (Perhaps this is the health department's newest measure in the war on cigarettes? :D ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtalum Posted February 17, 2005 #38 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Lovely. More stupidity from the TSA (aka Thousands Standing Around). Your tax dollars at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19stephanie66 Posted February 17, 2005 #39 Share Posted February 17, 2005 i'm not a smoker.........lost my mom to lung cancer :( but maybe on plane trips smokers could substitute nicotine gum?....don't know just a sugestion....loved the rubbing two sticks together idea ....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StacyandTim Posted February 17, 2005 #40 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Question.... If you have a book of matches in your back pocket is it going to set off the security alarm or something?? I don't get it...I can see searching through your carry-on's but if matches are on you, how will they know?? Also, the metal detectors are just that...metal detectors. Are they going to revamp them to also sense sulfur from a book of matches or something?? Just some dumb blonde questions from a smoker.....lol Stacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StacyandTim Posted February 17, 2005 #41 Share Posted February 17, 2005 And to think at one time smoking was actually ALLOWED on airplanes!!! What were we thinking?!?!??!!?!?! LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabsandPaul Posted February 17, 2005 Author #42 Share Posted February 17, 2005 My DW likes to knit and sew but some needles are not allowed onboard today. I have heard the reason knitting needles were banned is because TSA was afraid some one would try to knit an *Afghan*. (Sorry, couldn't help myself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonvine Posted February 17, 2005 #43 Share Posted February 17, 2005 I think it is absolutely ludicrous..and I don't even smoke, so it won't affect me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtalum Posted February 17, 2005 #44 Share Posted February 17, 2005 The steps that teh TSA is taking "to keep us safe" are getting more and more ludicrous and less and less effective. Our airport "security" is far more intrusive and no more effective than elsewhere in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejeans Posted February 17, 2005 #45 Share Posted February 17, 2005 But ya know we will get them on anyway....I can understand security, but this is taking it too far.....and it's just plain silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabsandPaul Posted February 20, 2005 Author #46 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Okay, so what is the general consensus of those who do smoke? Will you try to sneak matches or a bic lighter aboard the plane or plan on waiting and buying a lighter after you arrive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejeans Posted February 20, 2005 #47 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I have heard the reason knitting needles were banned is because TSA was afraid some one would try to knit an *Afghan*. (Sorry, couldn't help myself) I would probably smuggle matches, unless they come up with a scanner of some sort that would SMELL them out.....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjohn159d Posted February 20, 2005 #48 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Next think you know they will outlaw ice picks on planes. edit: oh wait I guess they already have :eek: Maybe they should just outlaw passengers on planes. If there are no passengers then it makes it pretty hard to take over a plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUZFOOLS Posted February 20, 2005 #49 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I'm thinking about smuggling a few matchsticks and the striker part. I will put them in different bags and hopefully when I land in Miami there will be one left. Sorry, but I'm a smoker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic from vic Posted February 20, 2005 #50 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Tef43, thanks for the link. I checked it out and disposable lighters are permitted in carry on luggage...... I'm unsure what the fuss is all about? :confused: Buy a 79 cent Bic and off you go. I've never had a problem taking them on board. http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Permitted_Prohibited_8_23_2004.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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