Smoking policy - a nice compromise ?

[klfrodo]

I'm not sure I understand where the "Compromise" comes in.

 

According to dictionary.com

A compromise is

a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims, principles, etc., by reciprocal modification of demands.

 

Where is the "compromise"?

 

Non-smokers gain smoke free square footage

Smokers lose designated smoking square footage.

 

What did smokers gain in relation to what they gave up? This is "compromise"?

 

Now,,will I live with it? For this upcoming cruise I will. I never smoked in my cabin anyway. I tried to severly limit my smoking on the balcony. Not anymore though.

Vegas, Mexico AI's, and Caribbean AI's,,, here comes my family.

[lhanson38]

I called Carnival today and upgraded to a balcony cabin from an OV, as I and my boyfriend, are both smokers. I also requested and received cabin M236 which is the furthest aft on the port side so when we are smoking on our balcony, no one will be down-wind from us. Of course the upgrade did cost more, but I feel it will be worth it, and we will be able to light up legally.:p

 

You would think that would be a great place to be where it won't brother people... But when in port I wish you the best the smoke drifts up,,and you will hear people complain...LOL this only seems to be a problem when in port,,,I love to be out with coffee and a cigg in the morning,,and a glass of wine and a cigg before dinner. and boy did we hear about the smell.:(.So back to side balconys for us. really never had anyone complain

when we had those.

[RDC1]

From the uproar she is not alone. That would be an interesting poll..how many actually smoked in their cabin.

 

 

What is interesting is that in the debate over smoking prior to the rule change, when non-smokers complained about getting impacted by getting a room with smoke smell, or smoke coming into their room, the smokers would say that either they did not smoke in their rooms or that it really did not happen.

 

Now if you read the other streams (not this one) about the new rules it sounds like they are all heavy heavy inside room smokers that won't cruise unless they can smoke in their rooms.

 

I don't mind smoking on balconies, I do mind getting a smoky cabin or having smoke infiltrate by cabin from another one.

[maxamuus]

Where is the "compromise"?

 

The compromise is you are still allowed to smoke indoors. You live in WA state and smoking outdoors is something that's new to you ???

 

I am a ex-smoker and NEVER would plan my vacations around my smoking habit. I made my habit work around my life, not plan my life around my habit.

 

Enjoy your AI's, but i hate to break it to you i think you will find they dont allow smoking indoors anymore either.

[wendysue44]

You would think that would be a great place to be where it won't brother people... But when in port I wish you the best the smoke drifts up,,and you will hear people complain...LOL this only seems to be a problem when in port,,,I love to be out with coffee and a cigg in the morning,,and a glass of wine and a cigg before dinner. and boy did we hear about the smell.:(.So back to side balconys for us. really never had anyone complain

when we had those.

 

 

I never thought about that. :( Oh well, note to self, "while in port, be prepared for complaints"!;)

[klfrodo]

The compromise is you are still allowed to smoke indoors. You live in WA state and smoking outdoors is something that's new to you ???

 

I am a ex-smoker and NEVER would plan my vacations around my smoking habit. I made my habit work around my life, not plan my life around my habit.

 

Enjoy your AI's, but i hate to break it to you i think you will find they dont allow smoking indoors anymore either.

 

All I asked was "where is the compromise" which is what the OP asked.

I didn't ask for your lecture.

 

A compromise is a Give and a Take. From a smokers standpoint, I see a lot of Give re square footage. I see no reciprocity

[Blondie008]

Took me a while as a new CARNIVAL cruiser to figure it all out specifically for the ship we are cruising on. But thanks to folks here, got it figured and I and my husband think (as smokers) its great! No problem with us what so ever. My only grievance is the non smokers now are going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the balconies..

Dont like the policy..don't book the cruiseline. We jumped ship from celebrity way back, and as much as we miss X, we wont be back.. dont whinge about it..we just do not book with them any more..

Land vacations are always an option for us, more so than cruising since X's ban. But we thought we would give Carnival a try as their policy suited us..

A cruise cannot be compared to a land vacation for smokers. We go to Sandals regularly, and you cannot smoke anywhere there inside, or outside in their restaurants..BUT..its in the Caribbean, a lot of the nightlife is going on outdoors, and you are never a step away, drink in hand, from an open fun space.

But I wont be cancelling my cruise this is great..fine by me and mine:)

[maxamuus]

All I asked was "where is the compromise" which is what the OP asked.

I didn't ask for your lecture.

 

A compromise is a Give and a Take. From a smokers standpoint, I see a lot of Give re square footage. I see no reciprocity

 

I was the OP so i replied. Sorry if you dont like my "lecture" but you act like its 1964 and you can smoke anywhere and everywhere.

 

I cant think of a SINGLE public indoor place that you can smoke in anymore, well i guess Vegas.

 

Personally i would prefer a ban of no indoor smoking period. The MAJORITY of us would, so the fact Carnival is allowing a couple places indoors with smoking is the compromise. Like it or not the vast majority of Americans dont smoke and would prefer you do it outside. The days are numbered of ANY smoking indoors, so enjoy them while you got them.

[I Luv Crusin]

Honestly she was going to sit in a little inside cabin and smoke ??

And sharing a room with a non-smoker?

[MissDiva1]

The compromise is you are still allowed to smoke indoors. You live in WA state and smoking outdoors is something that's new to you ???

 

I am a ex-smoker and NEVER would plan my vacations around my smoking habit. I made my habit work around my life, not plan my life around my habit.

 

Enjoy your AI's, but i hate to break it to you i think you will find they dont allow smoking indoors anymore either.

 

Actually this is true. We visited 2 AI's in Puerta Vallarta and they were smoke free with designated smoking areas outside.........and this is Mexico:D

[klfrodo]

I was the OP so i replied. Sorry if you dont like my "lecture" but you act like its 1964 and you can smoke anywhere and everywhere.

 

I cant think of a SINGLE public indoor place that you can smoke in anymore, well i guess Vegas.

 

Personally i would prefer a ban of no indoor smoking period. The MAJORITY of us would, so the fact Carnival is allowing a couple places indoors with smoking is the compromise. Like it or not the vast majority of Americans dont smoke and would prefer you do it outside. The days are numbered of ANY smoking indoors, so enjoy them while you got them.

 

OK,, You're the OP. I get it

 

To use your word,,, where is the compromise?

I see no, zero, nada,, compromise. I see change. Some good, some not so good depending on what side of the fence you are on..

 

But please answer the very simple question of ,,,where is the compromise?

I see where non-smokers gained. What positive changes were made for those who enjoy a smoke now and then?

[maxamuus]

Maybe third time will be a charm ??

 

Where can you smoke in a restaurant ?? Nowhere

Where can you smoke in a Movie Theater ?? Nowhere

Where can you smoke in a Airplane ?? Nowhere

Where can you smoke in a Grocery Store?? Nowhere

Where can you smoke in a Bank ??? Nowhere

Where can you smoke in a Shopping Mall ?? Nowhere

Where can you smoke in a Airport ?? Nowhere

Where can you smoke in a Library ?? Nowhere

Where can you smoke in a on and on and on and on.

 

In case you have missed it we are QUICKLY becoming a NON-SMOKING society. The compromise is unlike EVERY OTHER PUBLIC VENUE Carnival is allowing you still smoke indoors in a few places (for now).

 

Honestly i only quit smoking like 2 years ago. I ALWAYS walked outside and smoked and it was NEVER the slightest bit inconvenient... I just dont get the outrage.

[babyher]

Absolutely no compromise at all. Every year we get less and less and less places to smoke . We are told thats the law, thats the way it is. Screw you smoker

 

Then when we are in our postage stamp sized smoking area someone comes along and wonders if we could not smoke there while they are within the same area code because it bothers them,

 

Sorry but no. You have 99 % of the ship (not to mention the world) to be smoke free.

[winddawn]

Am i the only one who thinks the policy change was a nice compromise ??

 

I am a ex-smoker (quit a couple years ago) I would have NEVER smoked in a Cabin. Smoking in a cabin would like be locking yourself in a walk in closet and smoking. I also didn't smoke in my home cause lets be honest it stinks.

 

I am always walked outside to smoke. Even when i smoked on cruise i ALWAYS walked outside to smoke. I would never smoke in the Piano bar as again confined space, lots of people, just easier to walk outside and smoke.

 

The one place i did smoke was the Cigar bar. By its name its somewhere to smoke. I also smoked in the Casino. Guess it reminds of Vegas so gambling, drink and smoking went hand in hand.

 

So i think its a fair compromise for all. Vast majority never smoked in cabins anyway, you can still smoke in the Cigar bar and Casino and outside where in my book smoking should be done.

 

Guess i just dont see the outrage. Thanks Carnival for a fair and equitable policy change.

I could never think of something as unhealthy as smoking as something that is worthy of compromise. Any amount of second hand smoke is unhealthy to those around the smoker. And fire is the greatest risk there is for a ship. Some smokers are very careless with their butts which endangers the lives of thousands of people. Remember this:

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11975460/ns/us_news-life/t/cigarette-eyed-cause-cruise-blaze/

[futaba951]

I see where non-smokers gained.

 

And yet the advocates of constitutional trampling are bitterly wailing and grinding their teeth.

[klfrodo]

The compromise is unlike EVERY OTHER PUBLIC VENUE Carnival is allowing you still smoke indoors in a few places (for now).

.

 

Outrage is probably too strong of a word.

To be honest, I've been struggling to quit smoking for a few years now. I consider myself to be a extremely considerate smoker. I don't smoke in my house. Don't smoke in my car, don't smoke in the cabin, don't smoke in the hallways, don't even smoke in the casino while I'm playing at the table (I step away from the table) and I used to limit my smoking on the balcony.

You and I could probably sit down and enjoy a cup of coffee or an adult beverage and become friends. Yes, occasionally I would remove myself from our discussions to enjoy a smoke in a designated area.

 

However, what you have stated above does not meet the definition of a compromise. It just adds to the restrictions of where I'm allowed or not allowed to smoke.

 

I'd say your definition of a compromise is like a divorce,,, I don't have to live with her anymore but I still get to make her mortgage payments.

[maxamuus]

We can agree to disagree about the compromise wording.

 

Likewise we could enjoy a ice cold beer in the smoking section together. Outdoors its not bad at all and doesnt bother me in least bit.

[RunsWithFlyingDolphins]

I think it's a great compromise. I feel it's great for both parties

[Isasprings]

I don't smoke and I have no plans to book a balcony. I think a good compromise for balconies is to designate certain decks/sides of the ship to be smoking or non-smoking.

 

Honestly, I always thought the cabins were nonsmoking since I have never detected the odor in any cabin I've been in, on any cruiseline. I have avoided the piano bar because the smoke bothered me. It's not been as bad in the casino because it's a bigger space.

I thought the same thing...........

[bplazo]

The only part that I think is fair is that there is no smoking in cabins. I believe

there should be a couple bars (especially the cigar bar) and several places on deck where smokers can smoke.

[okwriter]

All y'all smokers move to my house. I have an acreage, ashtrays, a stocked pond, and a stocked fridge and bar area. :)

 

According to Wikipedia:

As of April 2011, 11 states have not enacted any general statewide ban on smoking in any non-government-owned spaces: Alabama, Alaska, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Texas, West Virginia, and Wyoming. Instead, laws in most of these states (see individual state listings below for further information) require proprietors of certain places to designate smoking and non-smoking areas and post warning signage.

 

In Oklahoma, state law prohibits local governments from regulating smoking more strictly than the state, making it the only state without any kind of legislated smoking bans.

 

Oh...and the heat index was 107 here today. Shall we share a cold one and a smoke either here or at a nearby casino? :D