Carnival Corp says it is going to take a $90million hit

[Crazy Gramps]

Was watching a maritime lawyer this am.

According to various treaties and the passinger contract, passingers are limited to a $75,000 claim and must file suit in Genoa, Italy.

I'll bet they're inured for that.

 

I'm guessing they refloat the ship, repair it and sell it to a smaller line that will rename it.

 

Wonder if Costa will offer an OBC to those survivors who take a future cruise.

 

Gramps

[big_duck]

Wonder if Costa will offer an OBC to those survivors who take a future cruise.

 

Gramps

 

Most likely a full refund (a given) and a free replacement cruise, as per Splendor.

[kellieann5]

Just curious...but wouldn't that be a $125m- $135m loss? $85m- $95m on the self-insured Business Interruption (loss of use); $30m deductible on the property; $10m deductible on the general liability....is $125m- $135m?

[ragen]

Rather than pass this on to customers as fleetwide cutbacks & price increases, Carnival could just delay a few of the ($200 Million plus planned "Funship 2.0" upgrades) on some of ships for a year or two, and all will smooth out by then.

[kroozers]

Why post just to be mean and nasty?

 

I challenged a factually incorrect and irresponsible post by stating that it didn't appear business was her area of expertise. It was not my intention to be mean and nasty - sorry for the misunderstanding. The poster's response was a patronizing and sarcastic comment regarding my education - which I never brought up. Then to prove her point beyond any doubt she called out my beloved Packers. Not quite sure where that fit in to her defense though.

[sail2sea]

$90 million plus loss of lives.

 

This captain is so fired if it turned out he was really "showboating", literally.

[elcuchio24]

$90 million plus loss of lives.

 

This captain is so fired if it turned out he was really "showboating", literally.

 

I'm pretty sure there isn't a chance in the world that this guy DOESN'T get fired, especially considering he is currently under arrest for manslaughter:rolleyes:

[5waldos]

I'm pretty sure there isn't a chance in the world that this guy DOESN'T get fired, especially considering he is currently under arrest for manslaughter:rolleyes:

 

Worse than manslaughter under the law is abandoning ship. He will be sentenced to about 12 years in prison if it is found that he abandoned ship. The manslaughter is a lessor crime under maritime law.

[Jjohnb]

According to the Guardian newspaper in UK, Carnival Corp has announced that it is going to take a $90 million hit in 2012 earnings from loss of use of the Concordia. This does not include recovery/salvage/environmental costs.

 

Here is the link:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/16/cruise-ship-owner-warns-sixty-million-hit?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

 

Yes but don't worry, as you pointed out the other day they have INSURANCE! Right Mr. agent man!

[zqvol]

Nor does it include the cost(s) of the assorted passenger lawsuits.

 

I am willing to be dollars to donuts that NO ship from any line will be leaving the pier w/o a FULL, old fashioned (inc life jackets) muster drill and staff/crews will be having them weekly for at least 6 months and monthly after then.

 

 

Why do you and many others think that having an old fashioned muster drill, would have changed anything? The crews and staff already have them weekly and there is no reason to expect that to change.

 

The only one that can be faulted is the captain for not ordering an abandon ship earlier. Once the ship began to list the ability to launch lifeboats and rafts was greatly inhibited.

 

You also need to be aware that lawsuits will be few and far between, there were few Americans on board and the laws of most other countries do not allow for such lawsuits.

[AZVoodoo]

Why post a comment concerning a topic you know absolutely nothing about? Yup - I really thought my education would put them over the top this year.

 

 

Do not argue with an idiot. He/she will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[carncruiser1964]

What really concerns me is the fact that the crew obviously did not know what to do in this type of situation. I know it is a natural thing to panic in a situation like this (I personally would freak out), but from the comments from passengers and videos I've seen, it appeared quite clear that much of the crew were concerned with getting themselves off rather than conducting their "emergency evacuation" of the passengers. It's not going to stop us from cruising, but it does bring a concern to my mind if the crew on the ships that we will be on in the future would react the same way. :confused:

[tntornadox]

That's unfair, I think a great majority of the crew acted heroically in getting passengers off as best as they could given the circumstances. They train to lower lifeboats in perfectly calm water on an even keeled ship, they can't train for a listing ship...

 

Just because a few officers did it does not mean the crew did. Indeed, the Purser was airlifted off with a broken leg yesterday, he stuck around so long helping people off, the ship rolled before he could get off himself.

[repo-cruiser]

What really concerns me is the fact that the crew obviously did not know what to do in this type of situation. I know it is a natural thing to panic in a situation like this (I personally would freak out), but from the comments from passengers and videos I've seen, it appeared quite clear that much of the crew were concerned with getting themselves off rather than conducting their "emergency evacuation" of the passengers. It's not going to stop us from cruising, but it does bring a concern to my mind if the crew on the ships that we will be on in the future would react the same way. :confused:

You are exactly right. People on these boards thinking that a good muster drill will solve this are absolutely clueless. The majority of the crew trained for this actually did not perform their duties and worried about themselves. Then you have a clueless someone on here talking business and comparing a football game to a college education. I've heard it all.

[big_duck]

The majority of the crew trained for this actually did not perform their duties and worried about themselves.

 

Go on, say it to her face, I dare you.

 

http://gcaptain.com/shame-you-costa-concordias/?37697&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Gcaptain+%28gCaptain.com%29

[cdamion]

[quote name='Jjohnb']Yes but don't worry, as you pointed out the other day they have INSURANCE! Right Mr. agent man![/QUOTE]

You are seriously stalking me across threads?

You were incorrectly stating in the other thread that insurance does not pay for negligence. I (and others) pointed out you were wrong.

...and I never said I was an insurance agent. Since you are stalking me, you can figure out what my career is in other threads.

Does anybody have any Preparation H to make this guy go away?

[haikou]

I took my first and last cruise with my daughter to Alaska this summer due tobudget constarints and after that experience and Carnival's nickel and diming/cost cuttng/cheap practices it is no tonder they got rid of more experiencd/senior crew in favor of less expensive, less experienced crew on the Concordia,which did not help dealing with the accident.For so many of the crew not to speak Italian when it looks like th emajority of passengers were Italian, is not good.The passengers had trouble communicating with the crew and in an emergency communication is critical! Carnival is cheap and cuts cost wherever they can and it showed on my cruise.I will stick with smaller, luxury lines, for whom safety is more imprtant than profit!

[kellieann5]

[quote name='zqvol']Why do you and many others think that having an old fashioned muster drill, would have changed anything? The crews and staff already have them weekly and there is no reason to expect that to change.

The only one that can be faulted is the captain for not ordering an abandon ship earlier. Once the ship began to list the ability to launch lifeboats and rafts was greatly inhibited.

You also need to be aware that lawsuits will be few and far between, there were few Americans on board and the laws of most other countries do not allow for such lawsuits.[/QUOTE]

What countries don't allow for lawsuits? I've never heard this. I know that many other countries aren't as litigious as Americans....but I've never heard that other countries don't allow for lawsuits?

[elcuchio24]

[quote name='repo-cruiser']You are exactly right. People on these boards thinking that a good muster drill will solve this are absolutely clueless. The majority of the crew trained for this actually did not perform their duties and worried about themselves. Then you have a clueless someone on here talking business and comparing a football game to a college education. I've heard it all.[/quote]

I don't think they will change the muster to make things safer. I think they will update the muster to make people FEEL like the cruise is safer:)

[cdamion]

[quote name='kellieann5']Just curious...but wouldn't that be a $125m- $135m loss? $85m- $95m on the self-insured Business Interruption (loss of use); $30m deductible on the property; $10m deductible on the general liability....is $125m- $135m?[/QUOTE]

It'll be higher than the $125-135m you added up. There is also going to be environmental cleanup costs - that they may or may not have some insurance for. Legal claims may go beyond what insurance covers, particularly with the deaths.

[kellieann5]

[quote name='cdamion']It'll be higher than the $125-135m you added up. There is also going to be environmental cleanup costs - that they may or may not have some insurance for. Legal claims may go beyond what insurance covers, particularly with the deaths.[/QUOTE]

Eesh! Better book more cruises now to cover my next few years! Insurance claims go up, costs go up, prices go up. I mean, in order to protect the family budget I'd better get all of my vacations on the books right now! (-;

[cdamion]

[quote name='kellieann5']Eesh! Better book more cruises now to cover my next few years! Insurance claims go up, costs go up, prices go up. I mean, in order to protect the family budget I'd better get all of my vacations on the books right now! (-;[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a prudent plan to me. Besides, you would be doing your part to make sure the industry remains strong.

I think I will donate to the cause at the on-board collection center they have set up in that one room - what is it called?

...ah yes, i remember now - the casino.

[CrusinCyndi]

[quote name='azvoodoo']do not argue with an idiot. He/she will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/quote]

lol

[ItsAllAboutTheSass]

[quote name='haikou']I took my first and last cruise with my daughter to Alaska this summer due tobudget constarints and after that experience and Carnival's nickel and diming/cost cuttng/cheap practices it is no tonder they got rid of more experiencd/senior crew in favor of less expensive, less experienced crew on the Concordia,which did not help dealing with the accident.For so many of the crew not to speak Italian when it looks like th emajority of passengers were Italian, is not good.The passengers had trouble communicating with the crew and in an emergency communication is critical! Carnival is cheap and cuts cost wherever they can and it showed on my cruise.I will stick with smaller, luxury lines, for whom safety is more imprtant than profit![/quote]

You took your first cruise this summer and it is going to be your only due to budget constraints. Then you say are going to stay with smaller, luxury lines. How does that fit into your budget?

[big_duck]

[quote name='haikou']I took my first and last cruise with my daughter to Alaska this summer due tobudget constarints and after that experience and Carnival's nickel and diming/cost cuttng/cheap practices it is no tonder they got rid of more experiencd/senior crew in favor of less expensive, less experienced crew on the Concordia,which did not help dealing with the accident.For so many of the crew not to speak Italian when it looks like th emajority of passengers were Italian, is not good.The passengers had trouble communicating with the crew and in an emergency communication is critical! Carnival is cheap and cuts cost wherever they can and it showed on my cruise.I will stick with smaller, luxury lines, for whom safety is more imprtant than profit![/quote]

Since you have no access to any of Costas employment record, you are in no position to comment on the experience or qualification of any Costa employee.

As an experienced Crystal cruiser you would no doubt be disappointed in the service level on any mass market cruise line. They just aren't the same product. That is not to say that the staff is not trained and certified in safety procedures as required by the various Coast Guards.

The Crew of the Concordia evacuated 4000 people from a dead, dark and heavily listing ship in under 2 hours. They, unlike you have nothing to be ashamed of.