Concordia News: Please Post Here

[clive and anne]

May I ask our experts if it is an advantage that CC came to rest on rocks rather than a sandy sea bed. Does the fact that when the parbuckle begins there is no suction to overcome help the situation.

[sidari]

"Then how come the Grand class (built at Fincantieri) have no deck 13, but still have a deck 17? "

 

Because the ships are American owned and not Italian owned! does not matter who builds them or where they are built.

 

Have a look at the MSC Divina and Preziosa deck plans.

[Esprit]

"Then how come the Grand class (built at Fincantieri) have no deck 13, but still have a deck 17? "

 

Because the ships are American owned and not Italian owned! does not matter who builds them or where they are built.

 

Have a look at the MSC Divina and Preziosa deck plans.

 

Sorry to go off topic and seem knit picky but the first Grand Class ships were British owned.

[Ken711]

May I ask our experts if it is an advantage that CC came to rest on rocks rather than a sandy sea bed. Does the fact that when the parbuckle begins there is no suction to overcome help the situation.

 

That's an interesting question Clive.

[longbordz]

<<"May I ask our experts if it is an advantage that CC came to rest on rocks rather than a sandy sea bed.>>>

 

I need to make that a stand-alone question.

 

All other factors being equal (hull gash, relatively calm Mediterranean water), if I could have advised Schettino to beach his boat on rocks or a hard sand bottom, I'd go for the hard sand bottom every time.

 

With the luxury of calm water, plenty of time, and deep pockets, suction is just another thing to deal with on a salvage. Jetting, adding more pull, more lift, suction eventually breaks. I'd rather deal with suction on a hard bottom than those pinnacles rocks.

 

<<< Does the fact that when the parbuckle begins there is no suction to overcome help the situation. ">>>

 

Sure. It means less energy required to initiate the roll, but all other factors being the same - boulder gash, relatively calm water - with environment-minded governmental agencies watching every move you make, rocks is the worst place to be. I'd still choose hard sand.

[SomeBeach]

When will the parbuckling (technical term indicating the rotation in place of the Costa Concordia for returning to a more natural upright position)? The date is not yet official because before a meeting of all the institutions and bodies concerned in Rome will have to release their permissions. Although the project seems to be on the cards indicated the date of 13 September, talks with technicians and specialists would lean towards a slight slippage that bypassing the festivity of San Mamiliano, could the fateful day coincides with the September 20, maximum 25.

 

While the national and international press he ventures into more or less realistic predictions, responsible for removal of Costa Crociere, ing. Franco Porcellacchia, in an interview on a Morning not sbilancia: "with respect to the rotation" of the wreck of the ship Costa Concordia "we believe that the final phase, i.e. one where you pass from the angle of 65 degrees to the vertical position can be done within a day. The most delicate phase, "said Porcellacchia speaking of turning manoeuvre will be the initial wreck-which will apply all loads, and then the forces on the wreck, a time when the ship will still be wrecked." Because at the time, i.e. If the ship will leave Lily already at the beginning of next year, the leader of Costa said that "it's very difficult" because "so that there remains is very sensitive to weather conditions. It's hard to speculate on what will be the amount of the interventions, and then determine a date I think is not even appropriate ".

And on the strength of the wreck to weather of winter, he added that "we have made all possible assessments and in this we have help from all the experts, the best that were available". "The wreck," said Porcellacchia-based substantially on two rocky Spurs, which have certainly penetrated the ship. It will exercise reasonable efforts to overcome the resistance that the ship has to rotate, partly due to its own weight, partly due to the fact of being stuck on the rocks ".

 

Porcellacchia always said that "we can basically think of dividing into three phases the rotation: the first is one in which efforts are applied and the ship will have to be disincastrata, then there will be an apparent movement of the ship; the second phase is when the ship will start to rotate and we assess that this second phase will last for about 20 degrees, the completion of 20 degrees of rotation: to achieve this angle of rotation, the vessel would tend to spin on its own for a situation of mutual position of the Centre of gravity and the rotation point. In this stage the ship will rotate by itself but is hampered by the entry into the water tanks and then the rotation will be facilitated by placing water in the cells ".

 

Then, "once the ship is in its vertical position will start an activity from our technicians to check the real conditions of the straight side, which currently is immersed and of which until today has not been possible to assess the extent of damage". "When the ship is upright will know conditions of this side and then we will be able to assume structural interventions to be implemented so as to place on that side caissons that will give you the opportunity to make the ship float".

 

"From 20 days we water intake from inland areas of the ship, select, using a pumping system and we put on a tanker that stations in the vicinity," he concluded.

 

http://www.giglionews.it/2013083159981/news/isola-del-giglio/intorno-al-20-settembre-la-data-della-rotazione.html#addcomments

[Tonka's Skipper]

I agree with Longbordz, hard sand would be the best.

 

1. Mud or even sandy mud can and does create a suction issue, which could make the parbuckle maneuver much more difficult.

 

2. I read somewhere that the hull is presently laying on 2 rock out cropping's. These rocks will/are doing much more damage to what is most likely already considerable hull/plating damage along the turn of the bilge and lower hull side.

 

3. The hard sand will basically be like a hard pillow, as the Concordia rolls upright.

 

AKK

[longbordz]

<<<< I read somewhere that the hull is presently laying on 2 rock out cropping's.>>>

 

That's what they say. The grout bags are supposed to fill the gap between them so the stbd bilge rolls on the bags. Then, slowly filling the sponsons with seawater the hull should settle level. Looks good on paper.

 

<<<These rocks will/are doing much more damage to what is most likely already considerable hull/plating damage along the turn of the bilge and lower hull side.>>>

 

Oh gosh yes. It's going to be a huge mess. It'll make the portside boulder gash look like a scraped knee.

[Tonka's Skipper]

<<<< I read somewhere that the hull is presently laying on 2 rock out cropping's.>>>

 

That's what they say. The grout bags are supposed to fill the gap between them so the stbd bilge rolls on the bags. Then, slowly filling the sponsons with seawater the hull should settle level. Looks good on paper.

 

<<<These rocks will/are doing much more damage to what is most likely already considerable hull/plating damage along the turn of the bilge and lower hull side.>>>

 

Oh gosh yes. It's going to be a huge mess. It'll make the portside boulder gash look like a scraped knee.

 

 

 

I agree, the starboard in the turn of the bilge and the lower plating and frames are indeed going to be a mess. This is effect how they attach the sponsons and how they use the lifting force they will have.

 

I am hoping we are both wrong, but I don't think so!.

 

This is why the salvage teams are hedging there bets at least until they can see all the damage. The winter will give them more time to make things as right as possible before floating and towing her off.

 

 

AKK

[longbordz]

<<<<... the starboard ... lower plating and frames are indeed going to be a mess. This will affect how they attach the sponsons and how they use the lifting force they will have.>>>

 

Absolutely.

 

I'm thinking that since the stbd sponsons only have to provide lift and resist lateral pressure while in tow, they needn't be as complex as the port sponsons. They don't have to exert immense downward pressure as the port sponsons will be doing in parbuckling.

 

Theoretically, they could be attached with slings (substantial cables instead of the nylon webbing used in small vessel salvage). The sponsons would still be welded to prevent shifting. They need not be mirror images to the port side as long as there is equal flotation.

[balf]

Remember way back in this long thread (someone should write a book just about it) it was suggested that the ship would sail again as a cruise ship. Or another idea, as a cattle ship!

 

Now the worry is whether she will make it as far as the scrap yard.

 

Interesting days.

 

David.

[Ken711]

Latest weekly report:

 

http://www.giglionews.it/images/stories/allegati/rel_sett_osservatorio010913.pdf

[Ken711]

From the latest weekly report:

 

Planned activities - Giglio Island, August 31-September 6

shipbuilding

 

Continue caretaking activities of management and maintenance of repair and controls

pollution.

 

Continue on the various activities of carpentry Micoperi 61.

 

Continue positioning operations of bags and mattresses on the seabed under the

Costa Concordia.

 

Continue leveling the pinnacle of rock on the seabed.

 

Continue installation of networks containment on the decks.

 

Removal operations continue sediments.

 

Continue pumping operations inland waters.

[swedish weave]

I just heard that the 60 Minutes show will have a segment on the Concordia recovery tonight.

[Uniall]

I'm getting ready to leave for a 27 day Pacific cruise at the end of the week.

I wanted to alert any late comers to this "Concordia News: Please Post Here" Thread.

You may want to follow similar discussion on the sister thread:

"Concordia Recovery About To Step Up Pace"

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1685758

[SomeBeach]

Uni, enjoy your cruise.

Looks like you will be gone when the trial starts later this month, if it does actually start. Interested to see if the Captain will go for another deal.

[Uniall]

Uni, enjoy your cruise.

Looks like you will be gone when the trial starts later this month, if it does actually start. Interested to see if the Captain will go for another deal.

 

Thanks Micki

 

I'll be tracking the progress of the trial while away but won't post much because of the high price of shipboard internet. If the prosecutors offer AND the courts allows a deal, the Captain should take it. But, I Don't think his ego will permit him to accept it.

[Mike.Minh]

Apart from previous week's work, it's also interesting to see what they are planning to do this week: (From Gantt chart)

 

• Lifts on CC by helicopter (didn't happen last week AFAIK)
  
• Remove all workshop etc (there must be loads of stuff they brought onto CC)
  
• removal of light items by heli (from Friday 6 Sept onwards for 4 days)
  

and finally, the French revolution has arrived: :)

• Install guillotine cutter on AB 12 (Does anybody know what such cutter is?)
  

[lightman1984]

The 60 minutes update was almost the exact same story from a year ago. basically mentioned it will happen later this month and the cost is up around $900M

[clive and anne]

I think the guillotine is a machine for the cutting of sheet steel, which would make sense when they have patch up the starboard side after parbuckle.

[luisrp]

Apart from previous week's work, it's also interesting to see what they are planning to do this week: (From Gantt chart)

 

• Lifts on CC by helicopter (didn't happen last week AFAIK)
  
• Remove all workshop etc (there must be loads of stuff they brought onto CC)
  
• removal of light items by heli (from Friday 6 Sept onwards for 4 days)
  

and finally, the French revolution has arrived: :)

• Install guillotine cutter on AB 12 (Does anybody know what such cutter is?)
  

 

 

They are also installing nets on the side to prevent debris from spilling during parbuckling. A picture in the weekly report shows netting on the balconies of deck 7.

[south bay cruiser]

Long time Lurker, not many posts, Iam in California ( pacific time ) ..My question is what time (Italy) do they show any action on the web cams?==So i can watch in my time zone.....

 

And what is the best link for watching the recovery?

 

I just want to be ready for the Parbuckle operation..

 

Thanks for all the knowledgeable posts....

 

Peter

[clive and anne]

Hi SBC

I think you are about 9/10 hours behind Italian time therefore 11pm with you will be 7am in Italy. The cameras work 24/7 but dawn should be about 7am in Italy.

Here is the link to Giglio News and if you click on the first or the last camera angle to will be able to see whats happening.

http://www.giglionews.it/2010022440919/webcam/isola-del-giglio/webcam-giglio-porto-panoramica.html

 

Giglio News have been superb in giving us the pictures and have even given us the new camera angle. We are hoping they will speed up the refresh when the parbuckle happens.

Hope this helps

Clive

[sidari]

Has anyone seen a time frame for the Parbuckle ? ie how much the ship will move per hour assuming that everything goes to plan and the rough time they expect it to take before CC is upright and stable.

[Bearded Engineer]

Has anyone seen a time frame for the Parbuckle ? ie how much the ship will move per hour assuming that everything goes to plan and the rough time they expect it to take before CC is upright and stable.

 

I have seen it mentioned in several places that the parbuckle will take 10 to 12 hours. Have you ever watched the hour hand on a clock move? ;)