Why do people care?

[jbond]

Dress how you like, just don't be ridiculous (c'mon....a speedo? That's just silly! No restaurant allows that).

You should have been on our Trans-Atlantic immersion cruise, Santos, Brazil to Lisbon, Portugal.:eek:

[Desertbelle]

People don't have to agree on what is formal or not. RCI terms the evening formal, but also suggests a variety of choices. They obviously don't intend it to be an exclusive black tie event. They allow people to choose what they wish to wear. I consider black western boots to be very acceptable wear with a tuxedo. If you don't, that's your choice. It would be a very boring world if we all thought alike.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more!

 

 

Don't ever recall saying I was upset about what anyone was wearing, just stated my opinion on what I considered extreme. To quote.... It's only a suggested dress and so people are at liberty to follow the suggestion or dress as they please. However, when the suggestion is formal and someone shows up in shorts, undershirt and a baseball cap, I'm with yogimax, that's extreme in my opinion. We all have our definitions of what is extreme, what is acceptable etc, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Just because you may disagree doesn't mean that either of you are wrong, it's an opinion, not a fact.

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more!

 

I'm sure you do wear nice clothes to the dining room. Why else would you wear them? In my opinion the vast majority of people wear nice clothes, but that's just my opinion.

You keep saying that you don't care what others wear, but it seems that you do have a problem with western boots.:rolleyes:

I have absolutely NO problem with you wearing cowboy boots, I have no problem with cowboy boots at all, and I am surprised that you think I do. I was simply trying to make the point that we can't agree on what is formal so how can we criticize others for what they pick?

 

As you so appropriately stated, it's the old saying about people in glass houses throwing stones and all that.

 

Thank you cdamion, great photo.

 

In no way did I mean to offend you and the cowboy boot wearing cruisers of the world. I am a card carrying member of the "Can't We All Just Get Along" Club.

 

In my many years on CC I have seen these discussions over and over and I grow weary of the nit-pickers and the "it ruined my (fill in the blank)" to see this at my table gang. Nothing anyone wears will ever affect my enjoyment of a cruise. In fact, if you look at my Webshots Hawaii cruise pictures you will see my shot of a crazy naked man running around the beach we were on....it was so funny, we still laugh about it. Now that would be an interesting formal night if someone came in their formal birthday suit!!

You will also see the picture of the couple who wore Civil War attire, formal of course, at one of our formal nights.....best thing I have ever seen!

 

So, please, accept my apologies if you felt I offended you in any way. Can't we all just get along? :D:D

[jbond]

No apology required, just having fun, I hope.

Now that would be an interesting formal night if someone came in their formal birthday suit!!

But you know the CC dress code mafia would complain if they weren't sporting a dark tan on formal night.:cool:

[Desertbelle]

....But you know the CC dress code mafia would complain if they weren't sporting a dark tan on formal night.:cool:

OMG then the "tanning is bad for you" group would chime in about the dangers of tanning booths and not wearing sunblock 1000 SPF!!

[kenevenpar]

I'm not afraid to admit im one of those people who do not dress up for dinner on those nights. I DO wear blue jeans to the dinner. I'm an average worker who works 60 hours a week and has to save dilligently to afford a cruise once a year. I'm also the same person who might wear the same shirt 3 nights in a row for dinner. Not all of us can afford $25 per bag to check them on the airlines, and we have to deal with carrying on our luggage. My vacation is not for me to impress you with what kind of suit i own or anything like that. I'm polite, honest and hardworking. And i'll bet that i sure tip all the employees on the cruiseline more than those in the suits do because i know what a dollar is worth and respect the person more than i do the clothes they wear. I'm sorry for the rant. But it is a touch subject when people on cruises do look down on you because you did not dress up. They dont know me, they just judge people on how they look and dress. I will still show up in jeans for dinner, and they will be clean, and i will have the time of my life regardless off the snobs who do give the stink eye to those who dont dress to their expectations.

 

Well said. I do not agree with the jeans, but if they are allowed, go for it.

 

However, if you wear the same shirt 3 nights in a row without laundering, I'm not sure I want to sit next to you.:eek: Just sayin'

[ineptinmate]

i dont own a suit. I do have a couple pairs of slacks and a bunch of nice button up shirts. I dont even know how to tie a tie. I think ties are the most idiotic piece of clothing someone could wear. I also do not like tucking in my shirt. Why push clothing into another piece of clothing? Its not logical thinking to do this.

 

brilliant!

[karajeboo]

It doesn't ruin my experience at all, but I look at it as being disrespectful. If a cruise line offers a "formal" night, one should try to dress up. If you don't want to participate in "formal" night, then please do not go to the MDR. I'm not saying tuxes and gowns, but certainly no jeans or shorts or flip flops. I find that disrespectful of the cruise line and the other passengers.

 

I understand that a cruise may be a once in a lifetime vacation for some, and God bless them. But that does not give them or anyone else the right to take the "I'll do whatever I want" mentality and just ignore decorum. Whether you are on your first cruise, only cruise, or 50th cruise, you should follow decorum to the best of your ability. I for one look forward to formal night so I can get some great pics of my family together. We don't wear tuxes or gowns, but we do get gussied up for it. And we would feel uncomfortable not dressing up on these nights, and opt for a more casual dinner somewhere else.

 

But I guess that's just me?

[temple1]

What a load of horse hockey from a number of posters.

 

Sorry but - to the guy who does not understand that an untucked shirt is usually described (unfortunatley not these days because it is not PCO slovenly or at the least messy. I think every Mom in the US has told their kids to tuck in their shirts.

 

To the poor sad individual who only has room to pack 2 shirts and no slacks. If your weight allowance will allow multiple pairs of jeans, then I think it will allow one less pair of jeans and one pair of light weight slacks. Sorry, but I do not think purchasing 1 pair of khakis is going to break the bank and I hope you at least rinse the shirt out at some point in the cruise.

 

So you don't want to dress up, well so good for you. At least be clean and neat and that includes tucking in your shirt and taking off the blasted hat in the dining room. If you have no clue on how to dress, isn't that why people come on these boards to ask and find out? Sad that they feel they need to do that, but such is life in the US today.

 

So, for those who do want to be sure they are presentable in the dining rooms and fit in with the norm, good for you for asking. To those who feel we must all sink to the lowest common denominator of personal presentation, at least preface your opinion with what the cruise line suggests to passengers is appropriate attire for different nights. I really don't care what a tipped staff person suggests as appropriate, IMHO the cruise line has stated a certain level of dress and has provided guidelines in the the form of suggestions of what that attire is. Fortunately for most of us they have brought the definition of formal down to what many of us would wear to a cocktail party.

 

Rant over.

[joe6666]

On Enchantment, a few cruises ago, I was walking into the upstairs MDR and as I walked by I saw the head waiter was talking to an older teen or 20 something who was wearing a T shirt with some pictures on it.

I looked like the kid was being asked to change into something else.

I think I was right about what was happening.

And if so, I think that was the only time in many cruises that I ever noticed a Cruise Line employee enforcing any rule of any kind.

[kenevenpar]

What a load of horse hockey from a number of posters.

 

Sorry but - to the guy who does not understand that an untucked shirt is usually described (unfortunatley not these days because it is not PCO slovenly or at the least messy. I think every Mom in the US has told their kids to tuck in their shirts.

 

To the poor sad individual who only has room to pack 2 shirts and no slacks. If your weight allowance will allow multiple pairs of jeans, then I think it will allow one less pair of jeans and one pair of light weight slacks. Sorry, but I do not think purchasing 1 pair of khakis is going to break the bank and I hope you at least rinse the shirt out at some point in the cruise.

 

So you don't want to dress up, well so good for you. At least be clean and neat and that includes tucking in your shirt and taking off the blasted hat in the dining room. If you have no clue on how to dress, isn't that why people come on these boards to ask and find out? Sad that they feel they need to do that, but such is life in the US today.

 

So, for those who do want to be sure they are presentable in the dining rooms and fit in with the norm, good for you for asking. To those who feel we must all sink to the lowest common denominator of personal presentation, at least preface your opinion with what the cruise line suggests to passengers is appropriate attire for different nights. I really don't care what a tipped staff person suggests as appropriate, IMHO the cruise line has stated a certain level of dress and has provided guidelines in the the form of suggestions of what that attire is. Fortunately for most of us they have brought the definition of formal down to what many of us would wear to a cocktail party.

 

Rant over.

 

 

What she said.

 

You go girl!

[joe6666]

As I said before, Formal night is nothing more than another way for the cruise line to make money.

If formal night cost the cruise line anything....there would be no formal night.

[galavant3]

And if so, I think that was the only time in many cruises that I ever noticed a Cruise Line employee enforcing any rule of any kind.

 

I've never seen it enforced on Royal Caribbean (that I recall) but I've cruised with lines that insist on no caps in the dining room...for any meal. Also, once I was sitting in a lounge having a drink after a day in port at about 6:05 I was asked to change out of jeans. No jeans after 6. There are cruise lines that enforce dress codes, RCCL just happens to not be one of them.

 

Based on what I've seen here any attempt to enforce any dress code would result in total chaos!

[jbond]

It doesn't ruin my experience at all, but I look at it as being disrespectful. If a cruise line offers a "formal" night, one should try to dress up. If you don't want to participate in "formal" night, then please do not go to the MDR. I'm not saying tuxes and gowns, but certainly no jeans or shorts or flip flops. I find that disrespectful of the cruise line and the other passengers.

 

I understand that a cruise may be a once in a lifetime vacation for some, and God bless them. But that does not give them or anyone else the right to take the "I'll do whatever I want" mentality and just ignore decorum. Whether you are on your first cruise, only cruise, or 50th cruise, you should follow decorum to the best of your ability. I for one look forward to formal night so I can get some great pics of my family together. We don't wear tuxes or gowns, but we do get gussied up for it. And we would feel uncomfortable not dressing up on these nights, and opt for a more casual dinner somewhere else.

 

But I guess that's just me?

If it doesn't ruin your experience, why are you so up tight about it. You have your own standards, you get gussied up, but you don't wear tuxes and gowns. Yet you object to others having their standards that doesn't include tuxes and gowns, or even getting gussied up. If you would feel uncomfortable not dressing up on these nights, and opt for a more casual dinner somewhere else, that's your choice. If it doesn't ruin your experience, why would you want others, who don't feel uncomfortable, to eat elsewhere?

What do you mean, follow decorum?

I believe the "I'll do whatever I want" mentality is sometimes more preferable to the "if you don't do it my way, you should eat elsewhere" mentality.

[SPacificbound]

If it doesn't ruin your experience, why are you so up tight about it. You have your own standards, you get gussied up, but you don't wear tuxes and gowns. Yet you object to others having their standards that doesn't include tuxes and gowns, or even getting gussied up. If you would feel uncomfortable not dressing up on these nights, and opt for a more casual dinner somewhere else, that's your choice. If it doesn't ruin your experience, why would you want others, who don't feel uncomfortable, to eat elsewhere?

What do you mean, follow decorum?

I believe the "I'll do whatever I want" mentality is sometimes more preferable to the "if you don't do it my way, you should eat elsewhere" mentality.

 

Thank you!

[MrsPete]

Vie been reading a few threads on this board and one argument seems to crop up a lot. Whether people should follow the dress code on RCI ships. I for one quite like formal night, it's a good opportunity to wear my smart dinner jacket and get some pictures. It doesn't happen to bother me though what everyone else seems to be wearing. I think it's good to have a formal night so all the likeminded people can dress up on the same night but why does it really matter what other people wear

 

Does it bother anyone that much?

 

Big Keith

Two reasons to dress up for formal night:

 

1. People are a big part of the atmosphere on formal night. Just as polite people don't wear their wet swimsuits into the casino, or their nightclothes into the bars or shows, people shouldn't come to what's designated as a formal event dressed in sundreses and flip-flops.

 

2. The vast majority of people on the cruise ship DO dress nicely for formal night -- if not in actual formalwear, then in coctail dresses and suits; thus, the person who arrives in khakis is going to stand out like a sore thumb. Most of us prefer to dress to fit our surroundings. These boards may give the impression that "everyone" comes to formal night dinner in their casual-Friday-work-garb, but that's not what I've seen on the actual ships. I think, in fact, the I'm-not-gonna-do-it-and-you-can't-make-me crew is so loud on these boards that a new cruiser could get the incorrect idea they're the majority.

As I said before, Formal night is nothing more than another way for the cruise line to make money.

If formal night cost the cruise line anything....there would be no formal night.

How does the cruise line profit from formal night? They don't charge a fee for dinner in the MDR on that night. They don't sell formalwear. They DO take more photographs on formal night, but I see people taking photographs every night as they enter the MDR, so I think that's not a significant increase in revenue.

[Heidils]

I'm getting a kick out of the verbage here. ENFORCE. That gives the conotation that we are all sailing on the Prison of the Seas. Obviously this won't happen. There would be too many angry people.

 

However I'm thinking of the other words here like SUGGEST. To suggest something is to offer more of an opinion. Like, "I suggest you put on sun screen." Whereas, SUGGESTED is meant to IMPLY such as, "It is suggested the killer was a woman."

 

This is what the dictionary says about the word IMPLY:

 

 

im·ply

   [im-plahy] Show IPA

 

verb (used with object), im·plied, im·ply·ing.

1.

to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith.

 

2.

(of words) to signify or mean.

 

3.

to involve as a necessary circumstance: Speech implies a speaker.

 

4.

Obsolete . to enfold

 

Some people just don't care or are donkey's that won't move without being hit over the head with a plank. Other's as was stated are truly asking for what would be expected from the guests. And even though you are paying for your cruise, you are a guest. That's what they call you day long.

[time4u2go]

How does the cruise line profit from formal night? They don't charge a fee for dinner in the MDR on that night. They don't sell formalwear. They DO take more photographs on formal night, but I see people taking photographs every night as they enter the MDR, so I think that's not a significant increase in revenue.

 

I could be wrong, but it has always seemed to me that there are WAY more photography stations set up (and more people having their pictures taken) on formal nights than on the other nights. I would bet they make quite a bit more money from the photos on those nights.

[SewMuch]

As I said before, Formal night is nothing more than another way for the cruise line to make money.

If formal night cost the cruise line anything....there would be no formal night.

 

Its okay with me if the cruiseline makes money. I like formal night. If it was eliminated I'd cruise a different line that still had it.

[temple1]

I'm getting a kick out of the verbage here. ENFORCE. That gives the conotation that we are all sailing on the Prison of the Seas. Obviously this won't happen. There would be too many angry people.

 

However I'm thinking of the other words here like SUGGEST. To suggest something is to offer more of an opinion. Like, "I suggest you put on sun screen." Whereas, SUGGESTED is meant to IMPLY such as, "It is suggested the killer was a woman."

 

This is what the dictionary says about the word IMPLY:

 

 

im·ply

   [im-plahy] Show IPA

 

verb (used with object), im·plied, im·ply·ing.

1.

to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith.

 

2.

(of words) to signify or mean.

 

3.

to involve as a necessary circumstance: Speech implies a speaker.

 

4.

Obsolete . to enfold

 

Some people just don't care or are donkey's that won't move without being hit over the head with a plank. Other's as was stated are truly asking for what would be expected from the guests. And even though you are paying for your cruise, you are a guest. That's what they call you day long.

 

I think the problem is many choose not to understand what is meant when the cruise line posts "suggested attire". It has been clearly stated on the website and in the Cruise Compass that certain nights are formal. For your convenience they go further to suggest what constitutes formal on the cruise ship. It does no say Formal Attire is optional, just that it is formal Attire and here are our suggestions as to what that means.

[galavant3]

I'm getting a kick out of the verbage here. ENFORCE. That gives the conotation that we are all sailing on the Prison of the Seas. Obviously this won't happen. There would be too many angry people.

 

 

I agree in part. You could never enforce a dress code on RCCL. There are lines that do enforce a dress code and believe it or not people do not get angry.

[joe6666]

Two reasons to dress up for formal night:

 

1. People are a big part of the atmosphere on formal night. Just as polite people don't wear their wet swimsuits into the casino, or their nightclothes into the bars or shows, people shouldn't come to what's designated as a formal event dressed in sundreses and flip-flops.

 

2. The vast majority of people on the cruise ship DO dress nicely for formal night -- if not in actual formalwear, then in coctail dresses and suits; thus, the person who arrives in khakis is going to stand out like a sore thumb. Most of us prefer to dress to fit our surroundings. These boards may give the impression that "everyone" comes to formal night dinner in their casual-Friday-work-garb, but that's not what I've seen on the actual ships. I think, in fact, the I'm-not-gonna-do-it-and-you-can't-make-me crew is so loud on these boards that a new cruiser could get the incorrect idea they're the majority. How does the cruise line profit from formal night? They don't charge a fee for dinner in the MDR on that night. They don't sell formalwear. They DO take more photographs on formal night, but I see people taking photographs every night as they enter the MDR, so I think that's not a significant increase in revenue.

 

The cruise line makes money from formal night in a few ways.

The photographers are taking more pictures. That is obvious.

The formal night drives some people to specialty restaurants.

The ship rents formalwear.

Formal night increases dry cleaning demand.

Formal night is an “event” for some people. The “event” costs the cruise line nothing.

You can poo poo this if you like, but just remember all the little things that the cruise line makes money on. Don’t tell me they don’t think about the extra money they make from the formal night related things I listed above.

Some say, formal night is a tradition.

Just think of all the other “traditions” that have been discontinued because they cost a dime.

No lox in the WJ unless you ask.

No ice in the room unless you ask.

No midnight buffet.

Food in WJ and MDR noticeably lower quality.

I’ll bet others could name more discontinued “traditions”.

[jbond]

However I'm thinking of the other words here like SUGGEST. To suggest something is to offer more of an opinion. Like, "I suggest you put on sun screen." Whereas, SUGGESTED is meant to IMPLY such as, "It is suggested the killer was a woman."

Not so, I disagree.

Suggest and suggested are parts of the same verb, it's the

past participle, past tense of suggest.

Suggest also means many other things than imply, such as...

 

1. recommend, propose, advise, move, table, counsel, advocate, prescribe, put forward, propound, offer a suggestion

2. indicate, show, demonstrate, give the impression, lead you to believe

3. hint at, imply, insinuate, intimate, get at, drive at (informal) What exactly are you suggesting?

4. bring to mind, evoke, remind you of, smack of, connote, make you think of, put you in mind of.

[EVALUATOR]

Did clothing styles gradually change from the Mayflower/Pilgrim days? Or did someone just get up one day and post new suggested clothing guidelines and everyone automatically followed them? Then anyone that didn't follow the "suggestions" were thrown over board.

 

I wonder if there were 1000 men on a cruise, and 999 of them wore tuxes and gold cuff links, would the one wearing silver cuff links be the slob on the ship?

 

At what point is it ok to say "IT IS MY CRUISE AND I'LL DO WHAT I WANT"?

[Heidils]

I think the problem is many choose not to understand what is meant when the cruise line posts "suggested attire". It has been clearly stated on the website and in the Cruise Compass that certain nights are formal. For your convenience they go further to suggest what constitutes formal on the cruise ship. It does no say Formal Attire is optional, just that it is formal Attire and here are our suggestions as to what that means.

 

I agree formal is formal. I just love the justification of why people want to use certain words for their particular advantage and can easily pontificate on all the reasons why they don't want to understand the very simple word, "FORMAL"

 

That's it I'm going NAKID! And I'm doing it for me not for people to look at me :) It's my cruise I'll do what I want. Then I'll put my cigarette out in some kids drink and throw my food on the floor.

 

Ha Ha Bet the Captain may have some further "suggestions" for me. LOL

[EVALUATOR]

Not so, I disagree.

Suggest and suggested are parts of the same verb, it's the

past participle, past tense of suggest.

Suggest also means many other things than imply, such as...

 

1. recommend, propose, advise, move, table, counsel, advocate, prescribe, put forward, propound, offer a suggestion

2. indicate, show, demonstrate, give the impression, lead you to believe

3. hint at, imply, insinuate, intimate, get at, drive at (informal) What exactly are you suggesting?

4. bring to mind, evoke, remind you of, smack of, connote, make you think of, put you in mind of.

 

The informal definition of suggest, when referring to formal night dress suggestions. How ironic.:eek: