Where should Vaping be allowed on ship

[beachbum53]

beachbum,

 

If you have not made final payment you might look at cancelling and then rebooking on another cruise line. I've seen posts and heard comments from other sources that other smokers are doing this and have found cruises on other lines that mirror either dates or itineraries, both, or close enough and at similar prices.

 

That said, you probably should check out how e-cigs wok and try a couple of different ones before cruising. Might be a good thing/might not be.

 

We've been planning on and looking forward to this cruise for quite a while. I really don't want to cancel, unless it's as a last resort. However, it may be our last cruise on Carnival. I'll probably give e-cigs a try. For our next cruise after the Breeze, we may consider Norwegian, if they haven't imposed a similar smoking ban on their balconies by then. While Carnival may still be the "Fun Ships" for some, they're becoming less fun for us.:(

[mapsmith]

oh the uninformed have arrived. I've been waiting for this all night, You were warned... here we go:

 

First, to your second part, they don't have to tell you whats in it. That is true, however they must still comply with the rules surrounding chemicals, remember, the FDA doesn't say food cannot contain lead, food cannot contain gasoline, etc. they say lead cannot be in anything ingested, gasoline cannot be in ingested items. So manufactures still have to follow FDA rules, even if specific ones haven't been created for them. For example, what is in your makeup, your perfume, your hand soap, etc. Also, every bottle of Juice I have ever bought has ingredients listed.

 

Propylene Glycol is antifreeze right?

 

Lots of things are in antifreeze, including DiHydrogenMonoxide, a deadly compound that kills 10000's per year, is the biggest part of cancerous tumors, and used in making automotive paint... and is in your purified water bottle, used to make Campbell's chicken soup, and even in the made from concentrate juice children are served at school.

 

PG is also in antifreeze, but used to make it safer.

 

Let’s start at the beginning. In 2009, the American Food and Drug Administration tested just 18 e-liquid cartridges from 2 electronic cigarette companies, and was quick to report that one sample contained diethylene glycol, a chemical used in industrial antifreeze that is toxic to humans. What they forgot to mention was that the levels found in the examined cartridge were nearly untraceable (around 1%), and certainly nowhere near the danger level. Still, diethylene glycol is NOT an e-liquid ingredient, so it shouldn’t have been found at all. Because the dangerous substance was found in one of the 18 samples, and more recent tests failed to detect it in any other e-liquids, some experts concluded it might have been contaminated in some other way. You can be sure no reputable e-liquid vendor is going to sell toxic products. They do strict tests and have quality control in place to ensure only the purest of ingredients go into their e-cigarette juices. Today, four years after the FDA’s report, there have been no cases of diethylene glycol poisonings worldwide, so I think it’s fair to say it’s not a problem worth worrying about. But e-liquid does usually contain an ingredient that’s also associated with antifreeze – propylene glycol. PG is sometimes used as an ingredient for antifreeze, but as an additive to make it less dangerous if accidentally swallowed. Propylene glycol does have a lower freezing point than water, but that doesn’t necessarily make it dangerous. In fact, PG is recognized as safe for human consumption by the FDA, and can be found in a variety of food additives and colorants, pharmaceutical inhalers or toothpaste. Also, if you own an RV and use it during the winter, you’ll be surprised to know that the water holding tank has propylene glycol in it to keep it from freezing. So yes, technically speaking, e-cigarettes can contain antifreeze, but not the dangerous industrial kind. Propylene glycol is safe, non-toxic and environmentally friendly. Sadly, that hasn’t stopped anti-e-cigarette groups from spreading misinformation and causing panic among the general public. There are articles out there that actually list diethylene glycol as an e-liquid ingredient, which is just a big lie. The fact is electronic cigarettes are gaining in popularity and threaten to cut the profits of both the tobacco and pharmaceutical industry. You best believe they aren’t sitting around doing nothing as their revenues decrease. All these people making negative claims about e-cigarettes without offering hard facts aren’t really worried about your health, they have their own agenda. So please, don’t give into your fear, do some research and try to think for yourself.

 

What is PG in?

Nearly all brands and types of creme makeup and "wrinkle creme"

bar soap / body wash

mouth wash

shampoo / conditioner

baking mixes

desserts in the bakery section of the grocery store

modified food starch

salad dressings

pre-packaged salad dressings

sauces

ointments

baby wipes

deodorant

gel cap pills and vitamins

Dolly Grand Donuts

Hostess Cupcakes and other food

Banquet Desert pies

Betty Crocker Muffin and bread mixes

Duncan Hines cake mixes

Grandma's brand salads

Pilsbury cake Mixes

Hidden valley ranch

Kens Ranch

Kraft Salad dressing

Marie's salad dressing

Old Cape Cod Dressings

Wishbone salad dressing

french's french fried onions and potato sticks

Taco Bell food <- ok, not so edible, but still

 

FYI. dihydrogenmonoxide is commonly written as h2o, water, don't believe everything you read, research yourself.

 

 

Actually the FDA does not regulate eCig "juices" at all. They are in the testing stage and trying to decide if the juices can be considered an ingestible food product. At that time they will have to decide what levels of regulation should occur.

 

 

So if someone wants to breathe in a substance that they have no idea what is in it, that is their choice. However, until those substances are known, I really do not want to have to breathe the vapors they expel. Just like I choose not to breathe in second hand smoke.

 

BTW. Your assumption that I am uninformed is false. I have spent 6 years as a Chemist in an Industrial Chemical Research Laboratory, and am quite familiar with many of the chemicals that you mentioned. (Including DiHydrogen Monoxide, which you fail to mention causes most deaths by inhalation rather than ingestion, which is what the "juices" require you to do)

Thus your comment about me being uninformed is just a bullying technique since your facts cannot justify your hypothesis.

Edited July 9, 2014 by mapsmith

[mrstriceasnice]

I voted for everywhere but the MDR mainly because I can see where that would be a distraction for others and especially since I enjoy sharing a table with new friends and would certainly not want to offend them when my soon to be husband "lights" up. He has begun using an E Cig in preparation for our upcoming wedding cruise simply to avoid having to leave the fun and go smoke. We also booked a balcony partially so he could smoke which will now be a moot point.

Someone else had mentioned trying to find one now before their 2015 cruise, he likes the Mystic. Ordered it online for an excellent low price and it tastes more like a real cigarette to him.

[Havingfun2010]

In my opinion, no one should intentionally put chemicals into their lungs that don't belong there. Secondly, states, communities and business are taking a preemptive strike against a trend that can be dangerous. Since an e-cigg is similar and looks the same, as well as the fact you are sucking down chemicals, that are manmade instead of natural, should be not differently handled.

 

The last thing I want is to watch someone at my dinner table, sucking down chemicals into their lungs.

[toto6]

Thank-you, pbsteve, not only for setting up this poll, but also for providing the type of information on e-cigs that I was prepared to search for on my own. I am a smoker, and have been for many years. When we booked our upcoming cruise on the Breeze (for May 2015) this past May, it was with the knowledge (at that time) that I would be able to smoke on my balcony. And now, with the over-whelming pressure from non-smokers, yet another business has caved in to the demands of one group over another. So now, I'm faced with making a decision. Do I ignore this new ban and smoke on my balcony anyhow, at the risk of possibly getting caught and having to pay an absolutely arbitrary and ridiculous fine? Do I try nicotine gum? Do I try switching to e-cigs? ( Not that it matters here, but I hate the word "vaping". If I make the switch, I may try to come up with something that I like better). Do I cancel the cruise? Well, I'm not much of a gambler (casinos are boring to me), so the first option is out. I've tried nicotine gum before and didn't really care for it. We've been planning this cruise for about two years and are really looking forward to it, so I really don't want to cancel it. So that leaves me with going to e-cigs. We've booked a cove balcony, which is on Deck 2. To (legally) smoke a cigarette, I'd have to go up nine decks to deck 11 just so I could smoke a cigarette, and cuss out every non-smoker along the way. Not my idea of a "fun" cruise. I know that e-cigs are included in the ban, which I don't understand. However, I'm thinking that, even though they're included in the ban, puffing on an e-cig on my balcony may be less noticeable than a real cigarette. I've already called Carnival's Guest Relations number, but the lady I spoke with wasn't much help. She did give me the mailing address for Carnival Guest Care. It probably won't do much good, but I'm going to write a letter to try and get more info as to why e-cigs are included in the ban. In the meantime, I've got about ten months until our cruise. Next step for me is to read customer reviews on the various e-cigs currently on the market, and try a couple of (or more) disposables to see if I can find one I like. After this cruise, I may consider giving Norwegian a try, unless they ban smoking on balconies too.

We have not smoked since Jan 19th. We were preparing for our March cruise, after RC cut the balcony smoking. We have been doing the "v-word" ever since. Vape shops are popping up here in our town like crazy. Do not miss the cigs at all. Check out you tube for a lot of info. Indoor Smokers on you tube-that guy is pretty funny. But he is also a Washington resident....

[marshhawk]

Thank you for the poll. I read my email this morning, I have no problem with a 50 cent tip increase, the employees work their butts off. But DH and I have been planning our 9? 10? Carnival cruise, with a balcony, because we smoke (yes we are hated, we know it) and because we cannot stand the crap noise on the Lido deck, which used to be a nice place to hang out and is now nothing but a boom box. And lo, Carnival decides to "go along with the rest of the industry"???? No. I spent the day looking at booking that 9 day cruise on other lines this morning, and yes you can vape in your cabin, because unless YOU are adding flavors there is no smell. And you can smoke on your balcony. So it looks like Holland or Celebrity will be getting my next 2K+. And Carnival will be full of drunk non smokers:eek: which wont last for long.

 

Now, if they want to come out and say-you can vape or smoke on your balcony and we will charge you an extra 250.00 cleaning fee up front, I am all for it.

Or how about having a smoking side of the ship. No smoking in the cabins, but vaping in the cabins, and smoking on the balconies?

 

Really it all comes down to a smoker freaking out a non smoker and the non smoker threatens. Imagine how the world and a cruise would be if all us non drinkers got huffy about drunks on board, or serving too much alchohol???? No it all comes down to money. Maybe there should just be a "we like smokers cruise line, and all this &*#! will end on these boards.:)

Edited July 9, 2014 by marshhawk

[JennN]

Not to be Debbie Downer here but isn't there still nicotine in it - so, exhaling it still releases nicotine into the air?

 

I dunno here...I am on the fence. Hasn't been proven as safe, just safer than smoking normal cigarettes...

[nunuc2000]

Here in Canada, many employers are taking a pre-emptive strike against the use of e-cigs for a number of reasons. My company has opted to rely on the info published by the the Ontario tobacco legislation. Because e-cigs still release vapors, the Eastern Ontario Health Unit recommends to err on the side of caution and to prohibit their use at the workplace or in public places. I'm very glad my company has done this.

 

Electronic cigarettes or e-cigarettes, look and feel like the real thing and produce a vapour that looks like smoke. Many are also equipped with

an LED light that makes them glow like the tip of a real cigarette. A battery-powered delivery system vaporizes a liquid chemical mixture that

could potentially contain nicotine, propylene glycol, and other chemicals which, when inhaled, could be hazardous.

 

In recent years, a number of manufacturers have marketed electronic cigarettes, cigars, pipes as well as cartridges of nicotine solutions in Canada and through the Internet. Under the Food and Drugs Act, no electronic smoking products containing nicotine can be sold in the country. However, Health Canada does authorize the sale of the

nicotine-free version of these products. Unfortunately, many "vaping" fans have access to the internet and ARE ordering nicotine laden versions (along with other unregulated versions from around the globe) online for consumption in Canada... and one has to assume if they cruise, they're bringing them onboard with them too.

 

The risks associated with e-cigs are significant, and for those who have stated that they have no more desire to be exposed to vapours than they to do second hand smoke, I agree. There's no real way to know for sure if the person next to you is vaping pure water (undeard of), some form of non-nicotine chemical based blend, or one with nicotine. Regardless, I don't want to be exposed to it, and I don't want to see it. Even with the most benign impact, propylene glycol is a known irritant when inhaled. Because so much is till unknown about it's effects, at worst it may have the potential to kill as effectively as regular smoking.

 

I understand the addictive effects of smoking, and vaping, and I realize that people will do it no matter what. That's fine... but don't make me witness it. I vote for allowing it ONLY in places where traditional smoking is allowed.

 

Keep in mind that doctors and athletes once touted the "healthful" properties of smoking. :eek: Now we know better. Do we know better about e-cgis yet? Not a risk I want to take.

[Jenny in TX]

I think it should only be allowed where smoking is allowed.

[SIENA6334]

Thank you for the poll. I am a smoker who has been contemplating the e-cig for quite some time. My son just starting using it and has not smoked for a little over a month. I'm going to bring one on my cruise in Feb. but I hate being in a place with a lot of other smokers that does not always have the greatest ventilation. I definitely vote to allow them in all smoking venues and balconies. I am very OK with not having them in the MDR or during any shows.:rolleyes:

[pbsteve]

I know I'm playing chess with a pigeon here, but Mapsmith, if you were a chemist, you would know the difference between if something is contained in a compount, and if it is the compound. By stating that you believe that PG is antifreeze, you kind of blew any chance of being taken as a serious chemist.

 

As to other comments, I see very few people have looked up the studies from the 1940's, and on, the kind that show how PG can kill bacteria and viruses in the air. so here's a link, as published in TIME magazine http://www.lakeneosho.org/Ecigs/Page5A.html

 

Cliff notes, after 77 months in a vapor chamber, test subjects were healthier than those not.

 

I will fully admit that there are still a LOT of unknowns about vaping, or esmoking, however, since the studies on the chemical have been going on for nearly 80 years, Those who say that propylene glycol's affects aren't known are simply listening to the people who haven't done research either.

 

 

Now as far as what is in them... For those who don't use them, I see your point on not knowing what is in the liquid, and will that be harmful to you. Good question, I don't have the answer. I do know that the liquid I buy from a shop by my house has all ingredients listed. They are Propylene glycol (or Vegtable version), Food grade flavoring, and nicotine, if you are getting one with nicotine. ALL ingrediants are FDA approved.

[pbsteve]

The risks associated with e-cigs are significant, and for those who have stated that they have no more desire to be exposed to vapours than they to do second hand smoke, I agree. There's no real way to know for sure if the person next to you is vaping pure water (undeard of), some form of non-nicotine chemical based blend, or one with nicotine. Regardless, I don't want to be exposed to it, and I don't want to see it. Even with the most benign impact, propylene glycol is a known irritant when inhaled. Because so much is till unknown about it's effects, at worst it may have the potential to kill as effectively as regular smoking.

 

 

I see you have read lots of information on the vaporizers.

 

You should know that there are no vaporizers that use water, the reason it is unheard of, is that it will not work properly. the second option is pretty much the exact thing, its called propylene Glycol, or vegetable glycerin.

[pbsteve]

In my opinion, no one should intentionally put chemicals into their lungs that don't belong there. Secondly, states, communities and business are taking a preemptive strike against a trend that can be dangerous. Since an e-cigg is similar and looks the same, as well as the fact you are sucking down chemicals, that are manmade instead of natural, should be not differently handled.

 

The last thing I want is to watch someone at my dinner table, sucking down chemicals into their lungs.

 

 

vegetable glycerin is often used in place of Propylene Glycol, and while you will never be able to tell by looking which is in the juice, vegetable glycerin is a natural compound.

 

 

I just want to make one thing clear, while I am posting a lot of quotes and responding to them the reason is because of the incorrect, or uniformed info, the number of people reading this tread, I don't want people to see those incorrect posts, and not see other info.

 

 

Also, there have been a lot of people saying they don't want to SEE it. Can I ask why to you please?

Edited July 9, 2014 by pbsteve

[beachbum53]

Thank you for the poll. I read my email this morning, I have no problem with a 50 cent tip increase, the employees work their butts off. But DH and I have been planning our 9? 10? Carnival cruise, with a balcony, because we smoke (yes we are hated, we know it) and because we cannot stand the crap noise on the Lido deck, which used to be a nice place to hang out and is now nothing but a boom box. And lo, Carnival decides to "go along with the rest of the industry"???? No. I spent the day looking at booking that 9 day cruise on other lines this morning, and yes you can vape in your cabin, because unless YOU are adding flavors there is no smell. And you can smoke on your balcony. So it looks like Holland or Celebrity will be getting my next 2K+. And Carnival will be full of drunk non smokers:eek: which wont last for long.

 

Now, if they want to come out and say-you can vape or smoke on your balcony and we will charge you an extra 250.00 cleaning fee up front, I am all for it.

Or how about having a smoking side of the ship. No smoking in the cabins, but vaping in the cabins, and smoking on the balconies?

 

Really it all comes down to a smoker freaking out a non smoker and the non smoker threatens. Imagine how the world and a cruise would be if all us non drinkers got huffy about drunks on board, or serving too much alchohol???? No it all comes down to money. Maybe there should just be a "we like smokers cruise line, and all this &*#! will end on these boards.:)

 

I'm wondering how long it will be before the cruise lines, under the pressure of non-smokers, simply state "If you smoke, you're not welcome here." Although we live in a supposedly democratic society, it's unfortunate that one large group of people can have such an influence on the policies of a business, to the point of excluding those that are not welcome.

[pbsteve]

Thank you for the poll. I read my email this morning, I have no problem with a 50 cent tip increase, the employees work their butts off. But DH and I have been planning our 9? 10? Carnival cruise, with a balcony, because we smoke (yes we are hated, we know it) and because we cannot stand the crap noise on the Lido deck, which used to be a nice place to hang out and is now nothing but a boom box. And lo, Carnival decides to "go along with the rest of the industry"???? No. I spent the day looking at booking that 9 day cruise on other lines this morning, and yes you can vape in your cabin, because unless YOU are adding flavors there is no smell. And you can smoke on your balcony. So it looks like Holland or Celebrity will be getting my next 2K+. And Carnival will be full of drunk non smokers:eek: which wont last for long.

 

Now, if they want to come out and say-you can vape or smoke on your balcony and we will charge you an extra 250.00 cleaning fee up front, I am all for it.

Or how about having a smoking side of the ship. No smoking in the cabins, but vaping in the cabins, and smoking on the balconies?

 

Really it all comes down to a smoker freaking out a non smoker and the non smoker threatens. Imagine how the world and a cruise would be if all us non drinkers got huffy about drunks on board, or serving too much alchohol???? No it all comes down to money. Maybe there should just be a "we like smokers cruise line, and all this &*#! will end on these boards.:)

 

 

Thanks Marshal, I appreciate the last paragraph. But I'm trying to keep the traditional smoking out of this thread.

[pbsteve]

[quote name='dd2355']Nice list. How many of these items are normally [I]inhaled[/I] into the lungs though? :D

(BTW, dihydrogen monoxide is particularly deadly if inhaled in sufficient concentration/quantity... :cool:)

Mostly just poking at your argument from a devil's advocate standpoint. There certainly is a lot of anti-vaping FUD out there, but at the same time there's a lot of glossing over of unknowns on the pro-vaping side. My personal opinion is it's less self-destructive than tobacco, but the better solution is to quit nicotine entirely.[/quote]

I forgot to reply to you sorry.

The following are inhaled:
SC JOHNSON AND JOHNSON air freshiners
ASTHMA MEDICATIONS
LUNG TRANSPLANT RECIEPIENT MEDICATIONS
HOSPITAL AIR PURIFICATION SYSTEMS
Frebreze

I would like to point out that the EPA has done extensive studies on PG from an inhaled, ingested, and contact standpoint.
The phrasing that ECIGARETTES have not been through much testing is true. But they gloss over the fact the chemical, which has been widely used for over 75 years has had its fair share of testing.
[URL]https://vapersclub.com/pg.php[/URL]

[nunuc2000]

[quote name='pbsteve'][/left]


I see you have read lots of information on the vaporizers.

[B]You should know that there are no vaporizers that use water, the reason it is unheard of, is that it will not work properly.[/B] the second option is pretty much the exact thing, its called propylene Glycol, or vegetable glycerin.[/quote]

I know that, which is why I specifically addressed that - there is a misconception among some folks that "vaping" is merely a water based mist that is produced as a byproduct, when in fact that is not the case at all - there are most definitely a myriad of chemicals used in e-cigs.

As for the reasoning behind not wanting to see it, I find it to be a variant of the rather vulgar and disgusting habit of cigarette smoking. I think it's morally wrong to try and replicate a habit that is known to cause disease and death, and I'd much rather it be kept out of sight of impressionable people - usually younger people - who may form the impression that it's acceptable to "vape" since it's not restricted to specifically identified areas like cigarettes. If it were up to me, cigarette smoking would be kept completely out of sight of EVERYONE, or better yet, never have existed to begin with. This is my personal opinion, and not necessarily the view of others - no flaming please. Edited July 9, 2014 by nunuc2000

[pbsteve]

[quote name='nunuc2000']I know that, which is why I specifically addressed that - there is a misconception among some folks that "vaping" is merely a water based mist that is produced as a byproduct, when in fact that is not the case at all - there are most definitely a myriad of chemicals used in e-cigs.

As for the reasoning behind not wanting to see it, I find it to be a variant of the rather vulgar and disgusting habit of cigarette smoking. I think it's morally wrong to try and replicate a habit that is known to cause disease and death, and I'd much rather it be kept out of sight of impressionable people - usually younger people - who may form the impression that it's acceptable to "vape" since it's not restricted to specifically identified areas like cigarettes. If it were up to me, cigarette smoking would be kept completely out of sight of EVERYONE, or better yet, never have existed to begin with. This is my personal opinion, and not necessarily the view of others - no flaming please.[/quote]


I completely understand your point of view, Thank you for sharing the why. I'd much rather see its your moral reasoning, which I can accept, than misconceptions.

[EZ4]

I believe that our resident chemist is confusing propylene glycol with ethylene glycol which is the poisonous main ingredient in anti freeze. That is not what's in e-cig juice.

E-cig juices are normally comprised of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine, food grade flavoring and optionally, nicotine. The higher the percentage of VG the more vapor. More PG means more of a throat hit. Nicotine may or may not be added at the users discretion.

"PG and VG ratio affects the vapor production of your liquids. The more VG, the more vapor. PG affects throat hit, more PG, stronger throat. Most are content with a mix ratio of 80%PG to 20%VG." Edited July 9, 2014 by EZ4

[EZ4]

[quote name='marshhawk']
Now, if they want to come out and say-you can vape or smoke on your balcony and we will charge you an extra 250.00 cleaning fee up front, I am all for it.
[/QUOTE]

They said that very thing to my friend who just cancelled her Jan Breeze cruise today. She wasn't cancelling because of the smoking policy. She is a TA so I don't know who she was talking to at Carnival, but the lady asked if she really wanted to cancel or just pay $250 to be able to smoke on her balcony. Hmmm..............

[mayfair0325]

Thank you to the OP who posted this thread. I'm a former smoker and now a "vaper", and I have to say the thread yesterday about Smoking is out on balconies...got very out of hand. I was very upset by it, and my comment was deleted.
Thank you for this thread which proposes good information and asks honest opinions of people. Can't wait to read more responses.

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[w&k]

[quote name='nunuc2000'] ...
As for the reasoning behind not wanting to see it, I find it to be a variant of the rather vulgar and disgusting habit of cigarette smoking. ... no flaming please.[/QUOTE]

Vulgar? Disgusting? no flames???

I'm very glad you expressed your opinion. You obviously have antagonism towards adults that choose to smoke/vape.

However, my opinion is that the language you chose demonstrates a supercilious attitude, and I personally find that distracting from the frank (and mostly polite) discussion of the topic at hand.

Wendy

[RDC1]

You should have put another alternative on your list. Based upon the current research (still somewhat limited) I would say anywhere outdoors, but limited to smoking areas indoors.

[pbsteve]

[quote name='RDC1']You should have put another alternative on your list. Based upon the current research (still somewhat limited) I would say anywhere outdoors, but limited to smoking areas indoors.[/QUOTE]

Option 3 was closest to that, but I didn't want to get too specific, since I wanted to leave a lot open for people to comment why. For example, one person might think staterooms, and indoor community decks but not cabin hallways, etc.

There are actually considerable amounts of studies about the chemicals used, over 70 years worth, it is one of the big myths that they are unstudied. The unstudied part is nicotine in the juice and the personal devices themselves. The FDA and EPA have already approved the juice without food grade flavoring and nicotine in applications where it will be breathed in. Big tobacco has spent millions a year trying to get in the way trying to block it since it cuts into their money. If there's an effective (60% higher success rate than any other method) way to quit tobacco, I can see why.

[carr1585@yahoo.com]

Definite confusion between Propylene glycol and Ethylene glycol. Vape liquid contains Propylene glycol which is food grade or Vegetable Glycerin also food grade.

[B]Propylene Glycol:[/B] Propylene glycol exhibits low toxicity when ingested, as long-term use in approved food and pharmaceutical applications has demonstrated.

[COLOR=black][B]Ethylene glycol[/B][/COLOR] is a useful industrial compound found in many consumer products, including automotive antifreeze, hydraulic brake fluids, some stamp pad inks, ballpoint pens, solvents, paints, plastics, films, and cosmetics; it also is used as a pharmaceutical vehicle.

If the cruise ship says they are going to charge an extra $250 for cleaning after vapor use... they will not be able to detect it. The faint oder goes away within minutes. Edited July 10, 2014 by carr1585@yahoo.com