chengkp75 Posted May 9, 2016 #101 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Galveston has two ships on Sunday, and two Carnival every other Saturday. In the past we've had three different lines on a few days. The difference is they are against solid docks, same side and some distance apart. The force of the thruster wash is against the bulkhead and not another vessel. That's a very different scenario than what happened in Progreso. . Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Now that I've seen the video, the Naval vessel being on the opposite side of a dock on pilings changes things. Whenever a ship leaves in a situation like this, the remaining ship should always have their propulsion on line and hands standing by to tend mooring lines. This is pretty standard "good seamanship". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devinc Posted May 9, 2016 #102 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Now that I've seen the video, the Naval vessel being on the opposite side of a dock on pilings changes things. Whenever a ship leaves in a situation like this, the remaining ship should always have their propulsion on line and hands standing by to tend mooring lines. This is pretty standard "good seamanship". When I saw the video, it appeared that thruster was full on and wondered if it was compensating for the bow. That was a lot of energy/water displacement! It also seemed as if the other crew were on siesta. I've been there a few times and have never seen another vessel on the other side of the dock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devinc Posted May 9, 2016 #103 Share Posted May 9, 2016 You are quite the troll. How do you and your multiple accounts get to stay while others get banned for much less? Agree. Just a bunch of nothing. It's a shame to have to sift though all the one liner shots. I did find out awhile back that one can block seeing a user's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 9, 2016 #104 Share Posted May 9, 2016 When I saw the video, it appeared that thruster was full on and wondered if it was compensating for the bow. That was a lot of energy/water displacement! It also seemed as if the other crew were on siesta. I've been there a few times and have never seen another vessel on the other side of the dock. One of my personal pet peeves against Captains is that they tend to treat thruster controls as "on/off" switches, rather than analog throttles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldvato Posted May 9, 2016 #105 Share Posted May 9, 2016 One of my personal pet peeves against Captains is that they tend to treat thruster controls as "on/off" switches, rather than analog throttles. Was there a pilot on board Liberty? I can't remember if they use one or not. If there was a pilot, it was the pilot who was in control of the ship when they shoved off the pier. Most places I've been to on Carnival, use a pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightOne Posted May 9, 2016 #106 Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) I think the real shocking discovery about this incident is: Mexico has a NAVY ??? WHAT WHAT ??? :D:D:D Who knew. :p Edited May 9, 2016 by NightOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 9, 2016 #107 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Was there a pilot on board Liberty? I can't remember if they use one or not. If there was a pilot, it was the pilot who was in control of the ship when they shoved off the pier. Most places I've been to on Carnival, use a pilot. Whether or not there was a pilot onboard (and if not, then the Captain has obtained "pilotage" for that port from the local government), the pilot NEVER is "in control" of a ship. The pilot is an adviser to the Captain on local conditions, plain and simple. A Captain never relinquishes his command of the ship, except in the Panama Canal, or when entering/leaving a drydock. The pilot, as granted by the Captain, may give orders to the bridge team, but he will never touch a control of any kind on the ship, and the Captain can either countermand the pilot or even relieve him completely, solely at the Captain's discretion. Typically, for cruise ships, the Captain will be on the bridge wing with the pilot at the maneuvering stand there when docking/undocking, and the Captain will be controlling at least the bow and stern thrusters, if not the propellers and rudders (Captain's choice). The pilot may give a command, but if the Captain feels it is incorrect, he is the one operating the thrusters, so he can adjust the response to what HE feels is proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted May 9, 2016 #108 Share Posted May 9, 2016 I think the real shocking discovery about this incident is: Mexico has a NAVY ??? WHAT WHAT ??? :D:D:D Who knew. :p A navy with a cool ski boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loubetti Posted May 9, 2016 #109 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Now that I've seen the video, the Naval vessel being on the opposite side of a dock on pilings changes things. Whenever a ship leaves in a situation like this, the remaining ship should always have their propulsion on line and hands standing by to tend mooring lines. This is pretty standard "good seamanship". Yes Chief, I saw the video too. That Mexican "ship" was no more than a small-ish coastal patrol boat. Notice the "P" before its number on the hull, and your opinion, as always, is spot-on. :) No blame to Carnival for this. Was anyone on the bridge of that boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz222 Posted May 9, 2016 #110 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Saw a posting on "another site" that the Liberty was still in Progresso (late leaving) wondering if anything up? I can't seem to find if she left yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave994 Posted May 9, 2016 #111 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Saw a posting on "another site" that the Liberty was still in Progresso (late leaving) wondering if anything up? I can't seem to find if she left yet? Surrounded by Mexican Military so says the source on the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amvr10 Posted May 9, 2016 #112 Share Posted May 9, 2016 I am currently on the liberty. No military BS. We are still in progreso. The Captain delayed the departure due to weather condition "wind 35 knots". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave994 Posted May 9, 2016 #113 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Seems like this info is bad then... Galveston Carnival Cruisers 1 hr · Wichita Falls, TX · Bestie is on the Liberty right now... Supposed to of left Progreso an hour ago... Mexican military is all around the boat, and the captain just said it's unsafe to leave! Geezus!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted May 9, 2016 #114 Share Posted May 9, 2016 What do we believe? What a conundrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Dore Posted May 10, 2016 #115 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Sad that I more likely to find a polite terrorist over a cruiser with credible information. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorncroft Posted May 10, 2016 #116 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Sad that I more likely to find a polite terrorist over a cruiser with credible information. :rolleyes: I'm sure that you can find a polite terrorist forum if you Google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz222 Posted May 10, 2016 #117 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Seems she is still there... I would highly doubt a Cozumel stop tomorrow... Given the thruster issue, weather could certainly be an issue, I would,think "military" issues something more would be heard about that, no?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomi John Posted May 10, 2016 #118 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Sail on her in 48 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz222 Posted May 10, 2016 #119 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Wow... Still in Progreso! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amvr10 Posted May 10, 2016 #120 Share Posted May 10, 2016 No Cozumel :( They gave us $100 credit and we will stay in progreso until 7 am tomw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz222 Posted May 10, 2016 #121 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) No Cozumel :(They gave us $100 credit and we will stay in progreso until 7 am tomw. Wow, 7AM? What reason (still weather)? Sorry for u missing Cozumel, that stinks! I was afraid of that when she was still there so late... I would say go have a night out on the town, but even if they let u off, there is not jack diddly squat there (during the day let alone at night) sorry for that :-( Edited May 10, 2016 by poz222 Added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatyCake Posted May 10, 2016 #122 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I think the real shocking discovery about this incident is: Mexico has a NAVY ??? WHAT WHAT ??? :D:D:D Who knew. :p Why would that suprise you? We not only have a Navy but Army, Air Force. and Marines. And we have every branch based here in Cozumel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatyCake Posted May 10, 2016 #123 Share Posted May 10, 2016 There is lots to do near Progresso...head to Merida, less than an hour away by bus. Don't know about the weather down there but it is beautiful here in Cozumel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz222 Posted May 10, 2016 #124 Share Posted May 10, 2016 There is lots to do near Progresso...head to Merida, less than an hour away by bus. Don't know about the weather down there but it is beautiful here in Cozumel. Progresso At night?? Yes, Merida is a really great city, worked with a charity there and visited many times, kudos for defending Mexico, but let's be serious... Progreso at night? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naomi John Posted May 10, 2016 #125 Share Posted May 10, 2016 If they are not stopping at Cozumel, and leaving Progresso at 7 AM this morning, is the ship going to do circles in the Gulf until it's scheduled to return to Galveston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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