CJHAN Posted November 21, 2016 #1 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Is it a standard time or just whenever they feel like it that the reposition a bunch of ships at the same time? I might be wrong but it seemed like it was happening about every 3 years or so. Sent from my SM-G935P using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtytwo Posted November 21, 2016 #2 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I am pretty sure that a lot of market driven statistics go into the "dancing of the ships" done by CCL. It could be other factors involved as well. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclop Posted November 22, 2016 #3 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Is it a standard time or just whenever they feel like it that the reposition a bunch of ships at the same time? I might be wrong but it seemed like it was happening about every 3 years or so. Sent from my SM-G935P using Forums mobile app They book the cruises and then cancel them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjl1977 Posted November 22, 2016 #4 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Well Carnival is adding another dock in Galveston (per John Heald) so a ship will be sent there, there will be some sort of ship movement with the Horizon coming over in 2 years and it also depends on ship conditions like top speed and the speed needed for the route. The Liberty was just moved for that reason. Personally, I don't think there will be a mass movement. I think some of the older ships might phase out with all the new bigger ships that are being built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJHAN Posted November 22, 2016 Author #5 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Interesting you mentioned Horizon thats actually the reason for the question because i cant imagine Horizon and Vista ending up in the same state. Sent from my SM-G935P using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjl1977 Posted November 22, 2016 #6 Share Posted November 22, 2016 They are going to put it where it will fill up. Galveston is stuck with the western itenerary so maybe the breeze comes to Florida or NOLA, but Carnival has the two mega ships being built in 2020 and 2022. I think the bigger ships will be positioned where they can do multiple iteneraries if they want to fill them up more consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief93 Posted November 22, 2016 #7 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Well I noticed that there are no 4 and 5 day cruises from Galveston after December 2016. What I really want is a decent ship in Puerto Rico. It is my favorite place to cruise from, but I'm not sailing on the Fascination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo770 Posted November 22, 2016 #8 Share Posted November 22, 2016 4 and 5 day cruises from Galveston should return after the Valor gets there. Right now Carnival has those cruises blocked from the web site until they get all of the shuffle completed from switching the Liberty and the Valor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruise_pirate Posted November 23, 2016 #9 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Well I noticed that there are no 4 and 5 day cruises from Galveston after December 2016. What I really want is a decent ship in Puerto Rico. It is my favorite place to cruise from, but I'm not sailing on the Fascination. I agree you would think the ports of call from San Juan there would be a ship with more balconies. We did it almost 2 years ago on the Liberty which I felt was the perfect size ship Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cucruizin Posted November 23, 2016 #10 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I agree, they need a more updated ship than the Fascination sailing from San Juan. The itinerary is great, but I need a balcony!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deborahjo Posted November 23, 2016 #11 Share Posted November 23, 2016 We are taking the Splendor when it goes from Miami to Long Beach. 13 days going thru the Panama Locks. January 2018. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidecat Posted November 23, 2016 #12 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I would not expect many changes before 2020 aside from the ongoing Liberty/Valor swap, which could be reversed if Liberty is repaired, and then the Splendor/Miracle swap in 2018. If Horizon goes to Galveston, I could see a ship move from Galveston to Fort Lauderdale. Given that Florida's east coast is the industry's center stage, I would still expect Horizon to head to Fort Lauderdale. In 2020, I would expect the new LNG ship to head to Miami. Vista gets moved to Port Canaveral and joins Magic in sailing year-round from there. Liberty takes the New York/Norfolk/Charleston routes from Sunshine, which are expanded to cover the entire year. Sunshine goes year-round in Baltimore, and then Pride moves its summer service to Boston while continuing to winter in Tampa. In 2022, the second LNG ship gets home ported in Miami. Victory moves to Mobile, and then Fantasy moves to Galveston. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note7 using Tapatalk. Hey, do you smell anything burning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kktexas Posted November 23, 2016 #13 Share Posted November 23, 2016 4-5 day cruises out of Galveston in December will be on the Freedom. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenjiRodney Posted November 23, 2016 #14 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Well I noticed that there are no 4 and 5 day cruises from Galveston after December 2016. What I really want is a decent ship in Puerto Rico. It is my favorite place to cruise from, but I'm not sailing on the Fascination. Totally agree, sailed out of San Juan 3 times on the Victory and Valor. Will not do that itinerary on a Fantasy Class ship. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJHAN Posted November 23, 2016 Author #15 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I would not expect many changes before 2020 aside from the ongoing Liberty/Valor swap, which could be reversed if Liberty is repaired, and then the Splendor/Miracle swap in 2018. If Horizon goes to Galveston, I could see a ship move from Galveston to Fort Lauderdale. Given that Florida's east coast is the industry's center stage, I would still expect Horizon to head to Fort Lauderdale. In 2020, I would expect the new LNG ship to head to Miami. Vista gets moved to Port Canaveral and joins Magic in sailing year-round from there. Liberty takes the New York/Norfolk/Charleston routes from Sunshine, which are expanded to cover the entire year. Sunshine goes year-round in Baltimore, and then Pride moves its summer service to Boston while continuing to winter in Tampa. In 2022, the second LNG ship gets home ported in Miami. Victory moves to Mobile, and then Fantasy moves to Galveston. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note7 using Tapatalk. Hey, do you smell anything burning? I wouldn't evpect the Horizon in Galveston either but when it is finished i could see the Vista in Galveston with maybe the valor staying or the libery returning along with one other ship maybe the Sunshine, that would be nice. Sent from my SM-G935P using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poz222 Posted November 23, 2016 #16 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I agree, they need a more updated ship than the Fascination sailing from San Juan. The itinerary is great, but I need a balcony!!! Limited revenue on the San Juan ship since the majority of time is spend on shore... the extra bells and whistles are not utilized when people are ashore for 6 of 7 days and generally exhausted, low bar sales since people are ashore, casino revenue is low (plus San Juan residents which tend to fill up the cruise are not huge gamblers since it is legal on the island) and many choose the inside cabins to save money since they are hardly on the ship. Finally, the requirements on the ship engineering is low since it is always at low speed.... bottom line, don't expect a new shiny ship out of PR, you might need to look to a different cruise line that puts nice ships seasonally there if the ship is the driving factor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsMot Posted November 23, 2016 #17 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Limited revenue on the San Juan ship since the majority of time is spend on shore... the extra bells and whistles are not utilized when people are ashore for 6 of 7 days and generally exhausted, low bar sales since people are ashore, casino revenue is low (plus San Juan residents which tend to fill up the cruise are not huge gamblers since it is legal on the island) and many choose the inside cabins to save money since they are hardly on the ship. Finally, the requirements on the ship engineering is low since it is always at low speed.... bottom line, don't expect a new shiny ship out of PR, you might need to look to a different cruise line that puts nice ships seasonally there if the ship is the driving factor.... You are so right about that! The last time we sailed out of San Juan the locals pretty much took over the ship!!! I've never seen anything like it and will NEVER sail out of San Juan. EVER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vwrestler171 Posted November 27, 2016 #18 Share Posted November 27, 2016 After Splendor goes to China in 2019, Carnival will move a ship to Long Beach. I think they will base which ship on how well the Splendor sells. If it consistently sells out, I think they will move a Dream Class ship to Long Beach, if not, they will send a Conquest class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Racegirl6 Posted November 28, 2016 #19 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I've been looking at cruising in Sept. 2018 for our 15th anniversary. I just cruised on the Ecstasy in September so we would like a newer ship next time. I can only find the Dream out of NOLA that interests me at this time. I'm just going to keep looking to see the availability of the Magic or the Breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasong38501 Posted November 28, 2016 #20 Share Posted November 28, 2016 After Splendor goes to China in 2019, Carnival will move a ship to Long Beach. I think they will base which ship on how well the Splendor sells. If it consistently sells out, I think they will move a Dream Class ship to Long Beach, if not, they will send a Conquest class. I would be very surprised if they don't end up cancelling those plans just like they did with the plans to move Miracle there and later to sail Spirit there for a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted November 28, 2016 #21 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I would not expect many changes before 2020 aside from the ongoing Liberty/Valor swap, which could be reversed if Liberty is repaired, and then the Splendor/Miracle swap in 2018. If Horizon goes to Galveston, I could see a ship move from Galveston to Fort Lauderdale. Given that Florida's east coast is the industry's center stage, I would still expect Horizon to head to Fort Lauderdale. In 2020, I would expect the new LNG ship to head to Miami. Vista gets moved to Port Canaveral and joins Magic in sailing year-round from there. Liberty takes the New York/Norfolk/Charleston routes from Sunshine, which are expanded to cover the entire year. Sunshine goes year-round in Baltimore, and then Pride moves its summer service to Boston while continuing to winter in Tampa. In 2022, the second LNG ship gets home ported in Miami. Victory moves to Mobile, and then Fantasy moves to Galveston. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note7 using Tapatalk. Hey, do you smell anything burning? The spirit class ships are the largest ships which can sail from Baltimore. So you won't see the Sunshine sailing from Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakersdozen12 Posted November 28, 2016 #22 Share Posted November 28, 2016 You are so right about that! The last time we sailed out of San Juan the locals pretty much took over the ship!!! I've never seen anything like it and will NEVER sail out of San Juan. EVER!!! I just got off the Fascination a couple weeks ago and you are right, there were a lot of "locals" on board. But I'm confused by your statement. What exactly is wrong with that situation? Do you have something against Puerto Ricans? Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasong38501 Posted November 28, 2016 #23 Share Posted November 28, 2016 For what its worth, I am bored tonight and have found Grand Cayman's cruise schedule and it has a few interesting bits on it. ---Carnival hasn't released the Breeze schedule for 2018 yet but she continues to call on the port every other Thursday for the most part through the year but she isn't on the schedule anywhere I see starting in January 2019. ---Vista is on the schedule for every other Wed calls through Oct 2018 which is consistent with her current 6 day runs but the she is listed as alternating Wed and Thur calls every week from October 2018 until April 2019 which makes me wonder if the Thur calls under her name are actually just a place holder for Horizon??? ---Sunshine starts making every other Tuesday calls beginning Oct 2018 through all of 2019 so if that sticks she definitely won't be continuing her east coast shuffling of home ports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funinthesun1964 Posted November 28, 2016 #24 Share Posted November 28, 2016 For what its worth, I am bored tonight and have found Grand Cayman's cruise schedule and it has a few interesting bits on it.---Carnival hasn't released the Breeze schedule for 2018 yet but she continues to call on the port every other Thursday for the most part through the year but she isn't on the schedule anywhere I see starting in January 2019. ---Vista is on the schedule for every other Wed calls through Oct 2018 which is consistent with her current 6 day runs but the she is listed as alternating Wed and Thur calls every week from October 2018 until April 2019 which makes me wonder if the Thur calls under her name are actually just a place holder for Horizon??? ---Sunshine starts making every other Tuesday calls beginning Oct 2018 through all of 2019 so if that sticks she definitely won't be continuing her east coast shuffling of home ports interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybluecruiser Posted December 5, 2016 #25 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I would not expect many changes before 2020 aside from the ongoing Liberty/Valor swap, which could be reversed if Liberty is repaired, and then the Splendor/Miracle swap in 2018. If Horizon goes to Galveston, I could see a ship move from Galveston to Fort Lauderdale. Given that Florida's east coast is the industry's center stage, I would still expect Horizon to head to Fort Lauderdale. In 2020, I would expect the new LNG ship to head to Miami. Vista gets moved to Port Canaveral and joins Magic in sailing year-round from there. Liberty takes the New York/Norfolk/Charleston routes from Sunshine, which are expanded to cover the entire year. Sunshine goes year-round in Baltimore, and then Pride moves its summer service to Boston while continuing to winter in Tampa. In 2022, the second LNG ship gets home ported in Miami. Victory moves to Mobile, and then Fantasy moves to Galveston. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note7 using Tapatalk. Hey, do you smell anything burning? I don't see victory going to mobile. Maybe charleston but not mobile. Could be they send ecstasy to mobile and victory to charleston. I've always maid o thought the sunshine going there was a test to see if they could make a profit with a larger ship in charleston Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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