Casino Video Poker and Table Odds

[Maniacal Cruiser]

LOL. Enjoy your trolling buddy. [emoji106][emoji106]

 

 

By trolling you obviously mean someone who posts facts that you do not like. Have a great cruise.

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Any electronic game on a ship, whether it be slots, video poker (I've never seen video craps) are extremely tight. Remember, unlike a Vegas casino, there's no gaming commission they have to report to. You get better odds at the actual tables, since it's harder to manipulate those. Slots/Electronic games are very tight

 

The table games have terrible rules that increase the house edge as well. For example at blackjack the blackjack’s only pay 6:5, that substantially increases the house edge.

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Your premise is severely flawed, therefore you conclusion is 100% invalid. You can see how much each hand pays from the pay table but you cannot CANNOT know how often the game is coded to hit any given hand from that pay table. There is no such thing as a "perfect play" on video poker either. You are confusing the absolute odds of hitting a hand in a live poker game using a deck of cards with the odds of doing so on a slot machine which is all video poker is. BTW, your personal wins/losses are statistically irrelevant to the discussion. Casinos make a LOT of money of people who think the way you do, A LOT.

 

What you are describing is not a legal video poker machine in any reputable licensing jurisdiction. Casinos can change the rules and the payouts, which affect the odds. They cannot (on a fair machine which these all presumably are) set the “number of times a given hand will hit or when.”

 

Edit: It’s also important to realize that casinos don’t need to do what you are describing to make money. These machines all make money for the casinos because “in the long run” they always approach their expected value, which is always in the casino’s favor. While there certainly have been “crooked” casinos in the past (mainly sketchy unlicensed online casinos) the idea that a major publicly-traded corporation like NCL is engaging in the behavior you are suggesting is extraordarily far-fetched.

Edited May 24, 2018 by Fido Chuckwagon

[bruadhin]

Amazing how someone managed to miss why Nevada was mentioned...

 

But let's assume for a second that NCL wants to run a dirty machine. After all, they aren't regulated by a US gaming commission. As a quick search didn't turn up who it is, I will assume it is their flag of registry. And certainly they don't inspect near as often as a US commission would nor can they just drop in while the casino is open since the ship will be at sea.

 

NCL would still need someone willing to sell them a dirty machine, a video poker machine that did not properly emulate a deck of cards. Why in the world would a manufacturer risk their license and reputation to do it? They are already under enough scrutiny, and heaven help them if they accidentally sent a dirty machine to a US casino, or many others for that matter.

 

All because NCL wasn't happy with a 95 to 97% payout VP machine? That is rake in the money territory, and they basically give no comps to do it. Almost no one gets free drinks, free meals, free show ticket, rooms, etc.

 

From the pay tables someone posted earlier, NCL is already running some pretty tight VP machines. All they have to do is sit back and let the machines work on a captive audience.

 

Casinos don't suffer because their games are too loose. They suffer because they fail to bring in enough gamblers to let the math work and pay the overhead. The smart ones learned a long time ago not to sweat the money.

[fstuff1]

The table games have terrible rules that increase the house edge as well. For example at blackjack the blackjack’s only pay 6:5, that substantially increases the house edge.

that's the stupid $6 tables.

 

$15 bj is still 3:2, altho deal hits on soft 17.

$100 tables dealer stands on soft 17, which is slightly better for the player.

not worth the extra $85 per bet if your bankroll cant handle that

[fstuff1]

Don’t feed into Maniacal. He/She’s uninformed and purposely always looking for conflict.

i havent seen him purposely posting to conflict.

but in his post about vp at bar tops in this thread, he's ignorant.

he needs a tin foil hat, and possibly paranoia pills

[bruadhin]

that's the stupid $6 tables.

 

$15 bj is still 3:2, altho deal hits on soft 17.

$100 tables dealer stands on soft 17, which is slightly better for the player.

not worth the extra $85 per bet if your bankroll cant handle that

 

I think that is the only way you'll see a $5/6 BJ ever again. It just isn't worth dealing for the casino, whether on land or sea. You just can't deal enough hands an hour to really make any money at it.

[daleinorlando]

I’ve always heard that the machines get tighter by the day. Wanted other’s opinions. Myth or fact?

[fridaythe13th]

Two weeks ago my friend hit $1,000 TWICE on the bar top poker.:eek:

[MrMike45]

I’ve always heard that the machines get tighter by the day. Wanted other’s opinions. Myth or fact?

 

Along the lines of Big Foot and Elvis is still alive in Memphis

[bruadhin]

Along the lines of Big Foot and Elvis is still alive in Memphis

 

Second is true. He's been living in our garage apartment for decades. He said the publicity at Graceland was just too much, but he does like to drive by every so often to see the fans. Of course they just think he's an impersonator.

 

Since he doesn't perform any more, he just alters VP machines for NCL and the other cruise lines. He says the money is pretty good.

[tempus137]

that's the stupid $6 tables.

 

$15 bj is still 3:2, altho deal hits on soft 17.

$100 tables dealer stands on soft 17, which is slightly better for the player.

not worth the extra $85 per bet if your bankroll cant handle that

On the Bliss TA, there were no $6 tables. The lowest BJ table was $10, and it paid 6:5, no matter what you bet.

[VideoTech]

I’ve always heard that the machines get tighter by the day. Wanted other’s opinions. Myth or fact?

 

Myth, myth, myth. Biggest urban myth in gambling.

[VideoTech]

I see you a bit confused about how video poker machines work. To be a legal machine in Nevada, you cannot change the odds of any hand. The machine basically has to emulate exactly how a deck of cards behaves. Now, the RNG basically gives perfect shuffles, but they cannot do anything to alter the odds of getting any particular hand. Instead, they simply change the pay out for the hand. And they must display the payout for each hand.

 

I mention Nevada, because many jurisdictions look to them as an example. Also, if you are building and programming a machine, you want to be able to sell it anywhere.

 

Thank you, Bruadhin. Saved me the trouble of a reply.

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Myth, myth, myth. Biggest urban myth in gambling.

Also really easy to prove/disprove. PIck a machine on day 1 of your trip and note the posted pay tables. Check it every day. If the pay tables are the same every day (Spoiler: they will be) then the machine is just as “tight” of “loose” as it was on day 1.

[drvmywifecrzy]

Just rub the machine and your odds improve