MSC ship hits dock in Venice

[sidari]

Yes, until at least Friday.

[CaptainTrickyRicky]

On 6/8/2019 at 9:13 PM, sidari said:

And you have proof that the tugs and training was not sufficient? As the ship was increasing in speed there was no way the tugs were going to stop it.

 

The proof is that they failed to stop before hitting the river boat. No matter the cause, the incident is preventable. Don't confuse this with blame for the pilot, captain or tugs though. 

[sidari]

With the ship increasing in speed as can be seen on at least one video taken at the time, with the best will in the world those two Tugboats were never going to stop the ship! 

[CaptainTrickyRicky]

4 minutes ago, sidari said:

With the ship increasing in speed as can be seen on at least one video taken at the time, with the best will in the world those two Tugboats were never going to stop the ship! 

 

Correct. Although with the right kind of tugs and a swift trained response they could have stopped the ship in 2 ship lengths. There are major ports in the world capable of doing this, just probably not in Italy...

 

Edited June 11, 2019 by CaptainTrickyRicky

[mnocket]

8 hours ago, CaptainTrickyRicky said:

 

Correct. Although with the right kind of tugs and a swift trained response they could have stopped the ship in 2 ship lengths. There are major ports in the world capable of doing this, just probably not in Italy...

 

 

I'm guessing you didn't read Cheng's post about the power of the largest tugs vs the momentum of the ship?  You probably should go back and read it before continuing this nonsense about tugs being able to stop a ship in two ship lengths.

[sidari]

8 hours ago, CaptainTrickyRicky said:

 

Correct. Although with the right kind of tugs and a swift trained response they could have stopped the ship in 2 ship lengths. There are major ports in the world capable of doing this, just probably not in Italy...

 

With one forward and one aft with an increasing ship speed I say again they were never going to stop it and certainly not in two ship lengths!

[CaptainTrickyRicky]

11 hours ago, mnocket said:

 

I'm guessing you didn't read Cheng's post about the power of the largest tugs vs the momentum of the ship?  You probably should go back and read it before continuing this nonsense about tugs being able to stop a ship in two ship lengths.

 

Actually... I hate to say it but Cheng's post is quite misleading and inaccurate. Firstly the maximum bollard pull of harbour tugs is about 1/3rd of his quoted maximum tug capacities. Dedicated escort towage tugs produce between 80t and 125t direct pull and with certain techniques can product around 160t of pull. The relationship between this tonnage and the tonnage of the ship has been significantly over simplified and is an inaccurate representation. A single dedicated escort tug with appropriately trained pilots would almost certainly have had a different outcome in Venice. How do I know that you  can pull up a ship of this size with a single escort tug? Because I do it on a daily basis. The risk management in Venice is inadequate. 

 

 That said, I'm not here to talk about driving ships, i'm more interested in the drinks packages on my next holiday. 

[above sea level cruiser]

Marine Traffic still shows that the Opera is still in Venice??? Does anyone have an update as to why it is still there?

[sidari]

Supposed to leave on Friday.

[above sea level cruiser]

28 minutes ago, sidari said:

Supposed to leave on Friday.

Any idea why the extensive delay? Seems to me if it was deemed fit to sail more than a week ago, something is amiss?

[sidari]

Investigation process.

Edited June 12, 2019 by sidari

[CaptainTrickyRicky]

59 minutes ago, above sea level cruiser said:

Any idea why the extensive delay? Seems to me if it was deemed fit to sail more than a week ago, something is amiss?

 

Exactly as Sidari says. 

 

Also repairs and maintenance often rely on parts and technicians being flown in from various locations, the ship may have had an exemption to sail last week with a scheduled maintenance period planned for this week which would cause a delayed departure. 

[sidari]

Opera will be leaving tonight at 10pm Venice time and heading to Bari.

[above sea level cruiser]

3 hours ago, sidari said:

Opera will be leaving tonight at 10pm Venice time and heading to Bari.

That was a very long investigation. I wonder what the findings were?

[sidari]

Not sure we will hear about it, Opera is currently on the move.