Rare BlerkOne Posted April 19, 2021 #326 Share Posted April 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, cruiseracer said: Why do you care about the decisions of unvaccinated individuals? They impact both other unvacinated individuals as well as vaccinated individuals. On a cruise ship, they risk premature end to the cruise at the very least and perhaps future cruises as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseracer Posted April 19, 2021 #327 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Just now, BlerkOne said: They impact both other unvacinated individuals as well as vaccinated individuals. On a cruise ship, they risk premature end to the cruise at the very least and perhaps future cruises as well. How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkinmr Posted April 19, 2021 #328 Share Posted April 19, 2021 21 hours ago, SNJCruisers said: 5 out of the 9 divisions of Carnival Corporation will be sailing this summer and all of them will be requiring vaccines. Because of the older skewed demographic of HAL, I believe that your apprehension will be eliminated because vaccines will be required. It will be interesting to see what happens. Arnold Donald came out last week and firmly stated that CCL Corp will not mandate vaccines for cruising from the US. Theoretically, that would include all of the CCL subsidiaries. As you said, a number of the subsidiaries are requiring vaccines for UK and med cruises, but that may be due more to getting approvals from host nations to start sailing. Donald does seem to say that he sees a "distinction" in the lines under the parent umbrella, but it still remains that if there are outbreaks on Carnival ships because of no vaccines, it will impact not only Carnival, but all other cruise lines. The industry could then be dead in the water. I think he will eventually change his mind on vaccines when he sees that it may be the only road to approval for a restart. It's pretty obvious that vaccines are going to be incorporated into the framework for conditional sailing restart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 19, 2021 #329 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, harkinmr said: It will be interesting to see what happens. Arnold Donald came out last week and firmly stated that CCL Corp will not mandate vaccines for cruising from the US. Don't read more into it than he said - Corp won't mandate vaccines. What he didn't say was if individual cruise lines can mandate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prismism Posted April 19, 2021 Author #330 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Posesmom said: Some of us healthy folks....ummm can't be financially incentivized to get vaccinated. I don't believe I need it, I'm fairly young and in good health. I had it once and survived just fine. So yes I am just fine with proving I am negative and if I happen to have covid 19, I'm also fine cancelling and staying home so as not to affect the susceptible to it. But as a fairly good customer am I comfortable with anyone telling me I have to take an unproven vaccine, no I am not. My wife and I are young (late 30s) and also very healthy. We agreed that we have no interest in getting vaccinated. It's not a political thing for us, nor are we "antivaxers". We are loyal to Carnival, and have two booked cruises coming up. No judgement for those who want to get vaccinated, but seriously hope that Carnival does not require them. If they do, they will be losing a lot of customers from Texas and Florida. Here in Dallas, masks are only recommended when going out to restaurants and bars, they're rarely required. Life is essentially back to normal, and it's lovely. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkinmr Posted April 19, 2021 #331 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, BlerkOne said: Don't read more into it than he said - Corp won't mandate vaccines. What he didn't say was if individual cruise lines can mandate. I would agree to an extent. But it is clear that Carnival Cruises is not going to mandate them. Christine Duffy was out last week saying just that. We'll see what happens with the others. What all of the cruise lines do will in fact impact the others if things go sideways. I firmly believe that CCL, RCL and MSC are waiting for the CDC to wiggle the mandate into the restart approvals. Not the most courageous approach from my perspective, but it may be a wash in the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseracer Posted April 19, 2021 #332 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Prismism said: My wife and I are young (late 30s) and also very healthy. We agreed that we have no interest in getting vaccinated. It's not a political thing for us, nor are we "antivaxers". We are loyal to Carnival, and have two booked cruises coming up. No judgement for those who want to get vaccinated, but seriously hope that Carnival does not require them. If they do, they will be losing a lot of customers from Texas and Florida. Here in Dallas, masks are only recommended when going out to restaurants and bars, they're rarely required. Life is essentially back to normal, and it's lovely. Well stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 19, 2021 #333 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Prismism said: My wife and I are young (late 30s) and also very healthy. We agreed that we have no interest in getting vaccinated. It's not a political thing for us, nor are we "antivaxers". We are loyal to Carnival, and have two booked cruises coming up. No judgement for those who want to get vaccinated, but seriously hope that Carnival does not require them. If they do, they will be losing a lot of customers from Texas and Florida. Here in Dallas, masks are only recommended when going out to restaurants and bars, they're rarely required. Life is essentially back to normal, and it's lovely. Why do individuals always think they are speaking for more than themselves? Nobody is irreplaceable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseracer Posted April 20, 2021 #334 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, harkinmr said: I would agree to an extent. But it is clear that Carnival Cruises is not going to mandate them. Christine Duffy was out last week saying just that. We'll see what happens with the others. What all of the cruise lines do will in fact impact the others if things go sideways. I firmly believe that CCL, RCL and MSC are waiting for the CDC to wiggle the mandate into the restart approvals. Not the most courageous approach from my perspective, but it may be a wash in the end. Another well stated fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tippyton Posted April 20, 2021 #335 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Posesmom said: Some of us healthy folks....ummm can't be financially incentivized to get vaccinated. I don't believe I need it, I'm fairly young and in good health. I had it once and survived just fine. So yes I am just fine with proving I am negative and if I happen to have covid 19, I'm also fine cancelling and staying home so as not to affect the susceptible to it. But as a fairly good customer am I comfortable with anyone telling me I have to take an unproven vaccine, no I am not. Preach it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane0226 Posted April 20, 2021 #336 Share Posted April 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Prismism said: Carnival may just have us fill out a questionnaire prior to boarding. Could be as simple as checking a box next to the question of "Have you been vaccinated?". My wife and I were on one of the last cruises in March 2020, and they had us check boxes on a form asking if we had visited China in the last three months, whether we had any symptoms, etc. They required zero proof of the legitimacy of our answers. I wouldn't be surprised if they did this for vaccinations. scouts honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseracer Posted April 20, 2021 #337 Share Posted April 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, firefly333 said: Agenda or what someone believes. If it's your belief, I'm not sure agenda is the right word. God will protect me Or my wife (who has major health issues) has not reacted well to vaccines in the past, we woildnt get it. I tried, my last words were maybe get a doctor to give you a 2nd opinion, and I refused to discuss it further. My experience is you cant change anyones mind. Doesnt matter what you say. I dont think the word agenda is completely right or fair. People have their own reasons. Always trust in God. Agenda may not be the correct word here, not sure. Will give it more thought. All the best to wifey... Same here - unrelated health issues to covid should not effect a desire or decision to cruise. It doesn't matter to me if others wear masks or astronaut suits, get vaccinated or impregnated - it is their complete decision. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseracer Posted April 20, 2021 #338 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said: scouts honor. Perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseracer Posted April 20, 2021 #339 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tippyton said: Preach it! Sing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 20, 2021 #340 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The CDC can absolutely require quarantine of any unvaccinated Americans returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanZena Posted April 20, 2021 #341 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, embarkation75 said: True but if you dont think at a minimum unvaccinated individuals will be required to test for at least the first year after cruises resume, then I've got a cruise ticket for May 1st 2021 on the Mardi Gras to sell you! 😉 I have no intention of taking the vaccine,---(please don't waste your time trying to guilt or shame me--it won't work)---but I also have absolutely no problem with having to supply a neg Covid test prior to sailing and would gladly provide one if needed and pay out of my own pocket. I think it's a fair middle ground for all of us to start cruising again. I also have no problem waiting till 2023 to cruise again if that would be the case as well for unvaccinated travelers. As much as I love cruising, I can wait and do other things until then. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 20, 2021 #342 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, OceanZena said: I have no intention of taking the vaccine,---(please don't waste your time trying to guilt or shame me--it won't work)---but I also have absolutely no problem with having to supply a neg Covid test prior to sailing and would gladly provide one if needed and pay out of my own pocket. I think it's a fair middle ground for all of us to start cruising again. I also have no problem waiting till 2023 to cruise again if that would be the case as well for unvaccinated travelers. As much as I love cruising, I can wait and do other things until then. What makes 2023 special? It might be a few more years. Or cruise lines might start again from the US with vaccinated cruisers and still go bankrupt. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 20, 2021 #343 Share Posted April 20, 2021 If Carnival uses a simple questionnaire for proof of vaccine, they already know there will be a number of liars. The questionnaire will likely be tossed after the first covid case on the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseracer Posted April 20, 2021 #344 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, BlerkOne said: If Carnival uses a simple questionnaire for proof of vaccine, they already know there will be a number of liars. The questionnaire will likely be tossed after the first covid case on the ship. Then don't cruise w/Carnival. See how easy that is? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanZena Posted April 20, 2021 #345 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: What makes 2023 special? It might be a few more years. Or cruise lines might start again from the US with vaccinated cruisers and still go bankrupt. Oh well. 2023 was mentioned upthread so that's why I mentioned it. Heck, if it's 2025 i'm ok with that also. My point is that I can wait if necessary over taking the vaccine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 20, 2021 #346 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, OceanZena said: 2023 was mentioned upthread so that's why I mentioned it. Heck, if it's 2025 i'm ok with that also. My point is that I can wait if necessary over taking the vaccine. That's fine. My point was I'll do what is necessary to cruise ASAP. The cruising industry may still collapse before you get to cruise again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanZena Posted April 20, 2021 #347 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, BlerkOne said: That's fine. My point was I'll do what is necessary to cruise ASAP. The cruising industry may still collapse before you get to cruise again. Can you clarify what you mean by "collapsing"? I believe cruising will be around for a long time to come. I certainly don't see it disappearing. I think that's going overboard (pardon the pun). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 20, 2021 #348 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Just now, OceanZena said: Can you clarify what you mean by "collapsing"? I believe cruising will be around for a long time to come. I certainly don't see it disappearing. I think that's going overboard (pardon the pun). I hope it is around for a long time. There are no guarantees and certainly no bailouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ledges1 Posted April 20, 2021 #349 Share Posted April 20, 2021 The cruise industry may go through considerable more downsizing in my opinion if it takes another year before we can cruise from the US. This could include more older ships going to the scrap yard. Please don't ask where I got my facts, it is just an opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 20, 2021 #350 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, ledges1 said: The cruise industry may go through considerable more downsizing in my opinion if it takes another year before we can cruise from the US. This could include more older ships going to the scrap yard. Please don't ask where I got my facts, it is just an opinion. That's one possibility. In Carnival land, I can see possible mergers between some of the lines and less dependency on Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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