CBD Infused Hair Product

[aborgman]

22 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

Pretty sure I know the difference between a rent a cop and a Customs officer, but as you will.

 

https://www.pilotonline.com/2023/06/05/carnival-embarking-drug-dogs-to-stop-onboard-weed-use/

 

"Carnival spokesman Matt Lupoli declined to answer specific questions about the frequency of drug dog deployment, or whether specific complaints or incidents prompted the new policies.

“I can’t go into further detail because it’s part of our security operations,” Lupoli said by phone.

 

The drug detection dogs, first deployed last fall, are owned by Carnival, he said, and not by law enforcement agencies, U.S. Customs and Border Protection or the Transportation Safety Administration."

[BlerkOne]

3 minutes ago, aborgman said:

There are no FDA approved supplements, CBD or otherwise.

 

Why is that?

[sparks1093]

1 minute ago, aborgman said:

 

https://www.pilotonline.com/2023/06/05/carnival-embarking-drug-dogs-to-stop-onboard-weed-use/

 

"Carnival spokesman Matt Lupoli declined to answer specific questions about the frequency of drug dog deployment, or whether specific complaints or incidents prompted the new policies.

“I can’t go into further detail because it’s part of our security operations,” Lupoli said by phone.

 

The drug detection dogs, first deployed last fall, are owned by Carnival, he said, and not by law enforcement agencies, U.S. Customs and Border Protection or the Transportation Safety Administration."

Interesting, thank you.

[aborgman]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

They are not employees. Carnival owns them.

 

Well, yes... they aren't employees - but Carnival is employing them.

 

Employ means both "pay to do work" and "make use of"

 

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, aborgman said:

 

https://www.pilotonline.com/2023/06/05/carnival-embarking-drug-dogs-to-stop-onboard-weed-use/

 

"Carnival spokesman Matt Lupoli declined to answer specific questions about the frequency of drug dog deployment, or whether specific complaints or incidents prompted the new policies.

“I can’t go into further detail because it’s part of our security operations,” Lupoli said by phone.

 

The drug detection dogs, first deployed last fall, are owned by Carnival, he said, and not by law enforcement agencies, U.S. Customs and Border Protection or the Transportation Safety Administration."

TSA has nothing to do with port security.

 

Carnival can certainly invite law enforcement to participate including bringing dogs onto the ship and bringing people off wearing bracelets.

[sparks1093]

10 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

Correct... which is also true of you Centrum One-A-Day vitamins, calcium supplements, or a hot dog.

 

 

Presumably none of those contain any illegal substances at the point of manufacture.

[aborgman]

2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Why is that?

 

The FDA does not approve food, or supplements, or facilities, or compounded drugs, or tobacco, or cosmetics, or infant formula - because Congress does not grant them the power to "approve" those things, only to "regulate" those things.

 

 

Under the law - they can only "regulate" those things once they are on the market, they cannot require FDA approval.

 

[BlerkOne]

12 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

Correct... which is also true of you Centrum One-A-Day vitamins, calcium supplements, or a hot dog.

 

 

None of those are derived from hemp or illegal sources.

[BlerkOne]

Just now, aborgman said:

 

The FDA does not approve food, or supplements, or facilities, or compounded drugs, or tobacco, or cosmetics, or infant formula - because Congress does not grant them the power to "approve" those things, only to "regulate" those things.

 

 

Under the law - they can only "regulate" those things once they are on the market, they cannot require FDA approval.

 

the reason is there isn't enough research to determine safety or efficacy which would be impossible given the number and variety of products.

[aborgman]

2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

TSA has nothing to do with port security.

 

Yeah - I think TSA might disagree.

 

"TSA has conducted more than 7,000 VIPR operations at maritime locations, including cruise and ferry terminals, since the program’s inception in 2006."

 

"For maritime, TSA canine teams screen vehicles, passengers and bags prior to boarding
ferries and cruise ships."

 

"TSA supports the U.S. Coast Guard in its maritime security efforts and focuses primarily on passenger security and intermodal connectivity to ports"

 

"TSA has produced six maritime-related passenger vessel security training CDs that are distributed free of charge upon request.
– Security Awareness for Passenger Vessel Employees (2007)
– VBIED/IED Recognition (2008)
– Crowd Control for Passenger Vessels and Terminals (2010)
– Maritime Terrorism and Hostage Situations (2010)
– Terminal and Shipboard Evacuation (2011)
– Basic Screening Procedures for Maritime Transportation Security (2011)"

 

"TSA works with maritime operators and responding agencies through the Intermodal Security Training and Exercise Program"

 

 

[BlerkOne]

Dogs or no dogs, all major cruise lines ban CBD.

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, aborgman said:

 

Yeah - I think TSA might disagree.

 

"TSA has conducted more than 7,000 VIPR operations at maritime locations, including cruise and ferry terminals, since the program’s inception in 2006."

 

"For maritime, TSA canine teams screen vehicles, passengers and bags prior to boarding
ferries and cruise ships."

 

"TSA supports the U.S. Coast Guard in its maritime security efforts and focuses primarily on passenger security and intermodal connectivity to ports"

 

"TSA has produced six maritime-related passenger vessel security training CDs that are distributed free of charge upon request.
– Security Awareness for Passenger Vessel Employees (2007)
– VBIED/IED Recognition (2008)
– Crowd Control for Passenger Vessels and Terminals (2010)
– Maritime Terrorism and Hostage Situations (2010)
– Terminal and Shipboard Evacuation (2011)
– Basic Screening Procedures for Maritime Transportation Security (2011)"

 

"TSA works with maritime operators and responding agencies through the Intermodal Security Training and Exercise Program"

 

 

but you claimed Carnival owned the dogs. How can both be correct?

 

The USCG approves port security plans but TSA can be involved in a supporting role. TSA does not write the security plans.

[aborgman]

5 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

None of those are derived from hemp or illegal sources.

 

You don't know that.

 

They aren't approved, and they aren't tested.

 

You are just trusting the company making them that they aren't contaminated, or made with something illegal.

 

It's part of why I'm very, very wary of ANY supplements/vitamins/etc.

 

 

 

"Another, much larger study finds that the problem of tainted supplements — and lack of oversight — is widespread. Researchers analyzed warnings issued by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) between 2007 and 2016. These included 776 dietary supplements that contained contaminants, including

 

- a prescription drug, sildenafil (*****), in supplements sold for sexual enhancement.

 

- sibutramine (Meridia), found in weight loss supplements. This drug was approved in 1997 for weight loss but was taken off the market in 2010 when studies linked it to heart attacks and stroke.

 

- steroids or drugs with steroid effects in supplements marketed as muscle builders."

 

 

 

[aborgman]

3 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

but you claimed Carnival owned the dogs. How can both be correct?

 

The USCG approves port security plans but TSA can be involved in a supporting role. TSA does not write the security plans.

 

How can Carnival own drug dogs, and the TSA still be involved in port security?

 

Well... as it turns out - port security includes a whole heap of things OTHER than drug dogs.

 

For example - TSA largely doesn't do drug dogs... but they DO have bomb sniffing dogs.

 

...and I'm pretty sure a supporting role (as well as being actively involved in training, process, and security regulation) IS TSA having something to do with port security.

[BlerkOne]

2 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

You don't know that.

 

They aren't approved, and they aren't tested.

 

You are just trusting the company making them that they aren't contaminated, or made with something illegal.

 

It's part of why I'm very, very wary of ANY supplements/vitamins/etc.

 

 

 

"Another, much larger study finds that the problem of tainted supplements — and lack of oversight — is widespread. Researchers analyzed warnings issued by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) between 2007 and 2016. These included 776 dietary supplements that contained contaminants, including

 

- a prescription drug, sildenafil (*****), in supplements sold for sexual enhancement.

 

- sibutramine (Meridia), found in weight loss supplements. This drug was approved in 1997 for weight loss but was taken off the market in 2010 when studies linked it to heart attacks and stroke.

 

- steroids or drugs with steroid effects in supplements marketed as muscle builders."

 

 

 

Even FDA approved drugs have been tainted. Nobody knows anything.

 

FDA does identify unapproved drugs and tainted supplements

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/health-fraud-scams/public-notifications-health-fraud

 

 

 

 

 

[BlerkOne]

3 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

How can Carnival own drug dogs, and the TSA still be involved in port security?

 

Well... as it turns out - port security includes a whole heap of things OTHER than drug dogs.

 

For example - TSA largely doesn't do drug dogs... but they DO have bomb sniffing dogs.

 

...and I'm pretty sure a supporting role (as well as being actively involved in training, process, and security regulation) IS TSA having something to do with port security.

What does the T in TSA stand for? Transportation. Most cruises are closed loop.

 

Cruise ship port security

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-33/chapter-I/subchapter-H/part-105/subpart-E

you won't find TSA

 

[aborgman]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

the reason is there isn't enough research to determine safety or efficacy which would be impossible given the number and variety of products.

 

No, the reason is that they do not have the power. It wouldn't matter if they could easily determine the safety and efficacy - they legally are not allowed to prevent sale pending approval. For example - compounded drugs would be tested the exact same way as any other pharmeceutical products.. but they aren't.

 

They regularly RECALL supplements - because they can determine safety, but they do not have the legal power to require approval before sale. They can only regulate them after sale.

[aborgman]

57 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

What does the T in TSA stand for? Transportation. Most cruises are closed loop.

 

Cruise ship port security

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-33/chapter-I/subchapter-H/part-105/subpart-E

you won't find TSA

 

 

NOT cruise ship port security.

Cruise ship TERMINAL security.

 

Closed loop is irrelevant - TSA is involved in port security... whether international cargo, US cargo, open loop cruise, closed loop cruise, ferry...

 

Who vets the port workers and provides their Transportation Worker Identification Credential?

 

Won't find TSA?

 

"If TSA does not act upon a TWIC application within 30 days..."

 

"...their obligation to inform Transportation Security Administration (TSA) of any event that would render them ineligible for a TWIC, or which would invalidate their existing TWIC..."

 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by aborgman

[aborgman]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

Even FDA approved drugs have been tainted. Nobody knows anything.

 

We know the test items for approval weren't tainted - or they wouldn't have been approved.

We also know they're subject to periodic testing and facilities inspections.

 

Neither of those are true for supplements.

[BlerkOne]

23 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

No, the reason is that they do not have the power. It wouldn't matter if they could easily determine the safety and efficacy - they legally are not allowed to prevent sale pending approval. For example - compounded drugs would be tested the exact same way as any other pharmeceutical products.. but they aren't.

 

They regularly RECALL supplements - because they can determine safety, but they do not have the legal power to require approval before sale. They can only regulate them after sale.

No point in giving them the power since the required research would bankrupt the companies.

[BlerkOne]

More no TSA

 

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/CVSSA/

 

 

[BlerkOne]

Transportation Worker Identification Credential Program

TWIC is a joint TSA/U.S. Coast Guard program which manages the world’s most advanced interoperable biometric card used at maritime ports throughout the nation.

 

Nothing to do with cruise passengers or CBD hair products.

[aborgman]

9 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

No point in giving them the power since the required research would bankrupt the companies.

 

 

The required research, that already exists, would bankrupt compound pharmacies?

 

The required research, which is regularly done by large supplement manufacturers without going bankrupt, would bankrupt the companies?

 

Lots of things which don't require FDA approval - have all the data that would be necessary for FDA approval, and sometimes way more. A number of states have MORE stringent requirements for compounding drugs than the FDA has for mass manufacture drugs.

 

5 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential Program

TWIC is a joint TSA/U.S. Coast Guard program which manages the world’s most advanced interoperable biometric card used at maritime ports throughout the nation.

 

Nothing to do with cruise passengers or CBD hair products.

 

 

Everything to do with "port security" - which you claimed TSA had nothing to do with.

 

Turns out that doing security vetting on port workers IS port security.

 

Turns out that creating training for security workers at ports IS port security.

Turns out running explosives dogs through the parking lots at ports IS port security.

Turns out writing regs for X-Ray/millimeter wave scanners to be used in ports IS port security.

 

 

[aborgman]

11 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential Program

TWIC is a joint TSA/U.S. Coast Guard program which manages the world’s most advanced interoperable biometric card used at maritime ports throughout the nation.

 

Nothing to do with cruise passengers or CBD hair products.

 

 

"TWIC is jointly managed by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and the U.S. Coast Guard, where TSA is responsible for enrollments, security threat assessments, credential production, and systems operations.  The U.S. Coast Guard is responsible for establishing and enforcing access control requirements for MTSA-regulated vessels and facilities."

 

 

[sparks1093]

7 minutes ago, aborgman said:

 

 

The required research, that already exists, would bankrupt compound pharmacies?

 

 

Don't know about anywhere else but we have several small businesses here in Vermont that manufacture CBD, along with other related products. They are not affiliated with the pharmacies at all. It is these types of businesses that I think of when I think of CBD and the possibility of it being manufactured correctly in order to be legal under federal law. 

Edited 2 hours ago by sparks1093