smoking...

[Juanita462]

Actually, I think people can be allergic without going into anaphylactic shock. My reaction is to have a rash from neck to ankles - once lasting 2 weeks. My allergist ordered an epipen for me as he said that every exposure will cause an even worse reaction eventually ending with an anaphylactic reaction, but that the rash and hives are still an allergic reaction to the substance.

 

Being sensitive to things, I think, is when a person has swollen, red hands after wearing latex gloves. The doc calls it a sensitivity now but warns me to avoid latex in the future.

Just my experience with allergies.

[crt37]

Why do some people men and women dose themselves with perfume. You can smell some of them when they are 20 feet away if you are down wind from them.

There are a lot of people who are allergic to perfume. So if you see a person coughing his head off, it is not a cold but a reaction to some idiot overdose of perfume.:cool:

 

It seems odd that smokers always bring up being disgusted by perfume use. Most overusers of perfume are smokers because they are trying to cover up the stench of stale cigarette smoke that reeks from their hair, clothes, body, mouth, tongue, etc. They assume if they bathe in perfume, it will somehow fool people into thinking they don't stink. So if you eliminate smokers, you will automatically eliminate most of the overusers of perfume.

[JimVrhovac]

Anyone have the popcorn as it is starting

 

Jim

[CowPrincess]

Most overusers of perfume are smokers

 

crt37, your entire comment is rude and unnecessary. There's as much veracity to it as to "The obnoxious people who participate in smoking threads with rude comments are all trolls".

 

Pass the popcorn, please, Jim :D

[crt37]

crt37, your entire comment is rude and unnecessary. There's as much veracity to it as to "The obnoxious people who participate in smoking threads with rude comments are all trolls".

 

 

I don't think it is rude at all. It is just stating what are likely the facts. Do you think the smell of stale cigarettes is a pleasant smell? If so, you are in the extreme minority. It stands quite to reason smokers would try to cover up the smell and use too much perfume. Please show me the error in my argument if you are able.

 

Here is how I see it but please correct me if you see it differently. I suggest smokers fall into 3 camps (although I think there are very few that fall into camp 3).

 

Camp 1 knows that smoking will make their hair, clothes, body, mouth, tongue, etc. reek of cigarette smoke and therefore they take extra steps (including using too much perfume) to cover up the stink. I think most smokers fall into this camp.

 

Camp 2 also knows that smoking will make their hair, clothes, body, mouth, tongue, etc. reek of cigarette smoke but this group has thrown in the towel. They have decided over the years that no matter how you try to cover up the stench of cigarette smoke, it is really just not possible. So why even try. Their motto is, "To heck with perfume, I'll just choose to stink!"

 

Camp 3 is sort of the utterly oblivious group. Their sense of smell is so degraded and they are so out of touch that they are clueless as to whether or not they stink. They assume that stale smell of cigarette smoke is just a "normal" smell and have gotten used to it and assume everyone else is used to it as well.

Are there any camps I have missed? It seems like one of these 3 should catch everyone. By all means, present a counterargument if you believe this analysis incorrect.

 

 

It would be nice to have smokers weigh in as to which camp they fall into.

[Toad]

Everyone seems to need some one or some "group" to kick around. It is a self righteous and ignorant attitude but all the vogue where smokers are concerned.

 

Imagine if the same kind of comments were made about different ethnic groups? fat people? short people, people with dyed hair etc etc. Really, this is getting boring. Most of you with "nasty" things to say would never consider yourselves bigoted, but think about it.

 

All the smoking threads deteriorate to the same level. Take it to a smoking board please!

[rebeljohn]

OK........i've finished my bag of microwave popcorn...........now I'll have a cigar........a Fuente Maduro Hemingway Signature..........

 

Ahh yes.............the short life of a smoking thread on Cruise Critic..........they last about as long as a dove on opening day..............

[JimVrhovac]

Please pass the humador and I will open my bottle of 1776 cognac and we can proceed to stink up our clothing, destroy or breaths, and then take our money and chace a couple women around the pool........

 

And then make some CORN POP

 

Jim (without Ruth)

[kayden]

On the HAL cruise I just got back from there was an addendum in the survey that you receive at the end that has 3 questions to it -

 

1. Do you smoke? yes or no

 

2. Would you sail again with HAL if there was limited areas to smoke (something like that)? yes or no

 

and

 

3. Would you sail with HAL again if smoking was completely banned on the ships (again, something like that)? yes or no

 

So, I think HAL is listening to people and soliciting feedback on the matter. If enough people complete the forms as they see fit I am guessing that HAL will take steps towards the majority.

 

But to answer the original question, as a non-smoker myself who has never smoked once in her life, I did notice a faint smell in the hallway when we first got on board, but after that the only times I smelled smoke was on the promenade deck when people were smoking over the side and also the occasional scent in the hallway that would pass quickly. I think I smelled it about 2 times total and I went in and out of my room a lot. I attributed it to someone either smoking in their room or someone who had just been smoking had just passed in front of me. No big deal.

[usha]

Kayden, thanks for sharing that HAL is still asking about smoking preferences from cruisers; this gives me hope that they really might be considering some stricter smoking rules.:D

My last cruise on Zuiderdam, I kept smelling cigar smoke from the next balcony. It made our balcony LOTS less enjoyable for us:( . I'd just be SOOOOOOOO happy if HAL would have pity on us poor non-smokers, and let us have a reprieve from smoke on balconies/adjoining cabins.

[Guest Anorak33]

Kayden, thanks for sharing that HAL is still asking about smoking preferences from cruisers; this gives me hope that they really might be considering some stricter smoking rules.:D

My last cruise on Zuiderdam, I kept smelling cigar smoke from the next balcony. It made our balcony LOTS less enjoyable for us:( . I'd just be SOOOOOOOO happy if HAL would have pity on us poor non-smokers, and let us have a reprieve from smoke on balconies/adjoining cabins.

 

 

 

So - book an inside next time! Everyone will be happy.

 

What has it come to when antismokers want to stop everybody enjoying a cigar in the open air!

 

They get my vote for banning smoking inside but this is taking it to extremes.

[CalGal777]

Just a thought....About 15 yrs ago I was on a ship for an Alaska cruise I think it was an NCL but cant remember for sure and one side of the ship cabins included was smoking, the other Non. It seemed to work pretty good. Yes, I am a smoker and always obey all the rules as to where I can smoke. I do resent though the non smokers who decide to walk in my space carring on like they are going to drop dead any moment.You have at least 80% of the ship to be in, it seems it would be easy to stay out of mine. To clarify the above, inside the ship was non smoking except for a couple of areas in a couple of lounges. Just give smokers there own lounge and I think we would be happy. but will anything make the NoN smokers Happy?

[krusin']

:D I guess the next cause will be people reeking of garlic and attempting to kill the unacceptable odor with alcohol based mouth washes!:)

I guess the only option will be to stop breathing out!:rolleyes:

And there are also those people who imbibe alcohol at the bar and just

reek of the product they consume. So many causes so little time to enjoy cruising. Same old, same old - you can't satisfy all the people all of the time. From past comments on many boards it seems 25-30% of cruisers smoke. I have to believe HAL is aware of this and don't really feel it would be an intelegent move to totally alienate that many potential customers.:D

[pipedreams62]

Don't make me jump in here!

 

 

[CalGal777]

That would not only make NoN smokers Happy, it would SHUT US UP.:D

Well now that we have solved that problem,(hope your reading this HAL) lets get on to a new topic.

[JimVrhovac]

There are non smoking bars where you should not have a problem, The Piano Bar.

 

The Lido by the inside pool is completely smoke free now.

 

The sports bar is smoke free now.

 

They rotate smoking nights in the casino now.

 

Majority of crows nest is smoke free now.

 

They are taking out Oak rooms on vista class ships.

 

There has to be a comprimise somewhere along this line. Life does not give you everything you want.

 

Jim

[usha]

Yes, most public areas have at least limited smoking onboard.

It's the private areas that HAL hasn't really addressed. Non smokers don't really want to "enjoy" cigars & cigarettes out on their balconies.

[JimVrhovac]

Agree the balconies can be a problem.

 

WHat they need to do is POLITELY approach the smokers and try to work out a schedule or some type of arrangement. I always contact cabins next to us and tell them if they have a problem talk to us. So far have never been approached.

 

As long as everyone talks in a civilized manner accomodations can be made and everyone will be reasonable happy.

 

Jim

[usha]

Agree the balconies can be a problem.

 

WHat they need to do is POLITELY approach the smokers and try to work out a schedule or some type of arrangement. I always contact cabins next to us and tell them if they have a problem talk to us. So far have never been approached.

 

As long as everyone talks in a civilized manner accomodations can be made and everyone will be reasonable happy.

 

Jim

Jim, I've also never approached smokers about smoking on their own balcony. They're within their HAL-given right. I really do think most nonsmokers just suffer in silence.

[COLLEYBERRY]

Agree the balconies can be a problem.

 

WHat they need to do is POLITELY approach the smokers and try to work out a schedule or some type of arrangement. I always contact cabins next to us and tell them if they have a problem talk to us. So far have never been approached.

 

As long as everyone talks in a civilized manner accomodations can be made and everyone will be reasonable happy.

 

Jim

 

 

What a perfectly reasonable lovely person !!! I think you should consider a job at the U.N. what "a wonderful world it would be"

[JimVrhovac]

Ciggarett smoking is harmfull....

 

Getting married can be detrimental to your health also but the bruises do heal.

 

Don't know the answers. We just try to keep our little corner of the universe civilized....

 

We try to treat others as we would be treated and ask no more in return.

 

Thank you for the civilized conversation.

 

Hope we meet on a ship. Will invite you for a drink (IN THE NON SMOKING AREA OF THE BAR). Could not resist.

 

Have a great week...

 

Ruth & JIm

[Host Walt]

A reminder.

 

Here's the original topic.

 

Please note that the health aspects of smoking are not mentioned anywhere in that post, so please, please, stay on topic.

 

Thanks.

 

I don't want to start something here, but as a newbie to HollandAm. I am wondering about the issue of smoking. As a nonsmoker who is highly allergic I have to ask so I know what i"m in for.

 

Is it limited somewhat? Where and When? I hate getting cabins with a smoky smell from the cruise before.

 

I appreciate input!

[pipedreams62]

I bet you never planned on being grilled,questioned and interrogated on a relaxing Sunday morning? You're a good sport,and a kind soul. I too hope we meet on a ship one day Jim and Ruth

[JimVrhovac]

I am sitting at my desk going through all my charts and getting all my notes cought up. The board makes it a lot more enjoyable task.

 

It is such a pleasure to have a smoking thread that has been reasonable civilized.

 

We cruise a lot as Ruth gets 70 days per year so we may meet someday.

 

Ruth & JIm

[bellebaby]

Agree the balconies can be a problem.

 

WHat they need to do is POLITELY approach the smokers and try to work out a schedule or some type of arrangement. I always contact cabins next to us and tell them if they have a problem talk to us. So far have never been approached.

 

As long as everyone talks in a civilized manner accomodations can be made and everyone will be reasonable happy.

 

Jim

 

 

I wish it was that easy. We had smokers on the verandah next to us this year on the Westerdam to Alaska. I asked very nicely if they would mind not smoking on the balcony while we were in Glacier Bay. They responded as Usha expected... it was within the rules outlined by HAL and they intended to use their balcony to smoke as they wished.

 

Mind you, I only made the request for one afternoon and yes, they were within their rights.

 

B