Smoking in Cabins

[JimVrhovac]

Interesting article about casino's.

 

Most non smokers will say that it doesn't effect gambling income but this article proves that it does and the ships cannot afford to have reduced income in beverages and casino's at the same time.

 

Wonder how the article will be twisted up....

 

Ruth & Jim

[DizzyDallasDi]

Plus, nonsmokers are much nastier when you smoke in the smoking public areas than in your own cabin, I even got dirty looks for daring to light a cigarette in the cigar room because the women in there were making personal phone calls and didn't think that the huge ashtrays meant anyone would actually want to smoke in there.:rolleyes:

 

Now that is just about the silliest thing I've ever heard! Perhaps they wouldn't have been offended if you'd lit a cigar?

 

Diane

[pipedreams62]

[Open pod bay doors, HAL]

At the time of my first HAL cruise in 2003, there was no ashtray in my cabin so I assumed there was no smoking in the cabin and I always went outside for a cigarette.

What do you do with the ashes and butts?

[altosax]

What do you do with the ashes and butts?

 

On every HAL ship that I have been on (listed below) on either the Promendade or Lower Promenade deck (the one where you can circumnavigate the ship) there are 3-4 metal ash bins hanging from the railings usually on both port side and starboard.

 

There are also other decks such as Lido and Sports with outside areas where there are tables and/or bar areas with glass ash trays.

 

That's where I put my ashes and butts.

[Beebob1]

I'll just ask for an ashtray from the steward.

[JimVrhovac]

If you have a verandah get two. One for inside and one for outside. Saves the problem of always carrying it around.

 

Ruth & Jim

[Copper10-8]

I think I'll just go fishing

[Beebob1]

If you have a verandah get two. One for inside and one for outside. Saves the problem of always carrying it around.

 

Ruth & Jim

 

Great point! On the DCL line the ashtray is mounted on the veranda but can't smoke in cabins.

[redheaney]

I didn't realise that smoking INSIDE the cabins was permitted any longer? I thought that they had stopped that...?

[JimVrhovac]

Smoking in cabins and on verandah's is permissible but are not allowed to throw anything over the side of the ship.

 

Lounges have specified smoking areas.

 

Can smoke on any open deck

 

Ruth & Jim

[pipedreams62]

I think I'll just go fishing

 

 

[JimVrhovac]

Got room for one more old man??????? Please. Please. Please

 

Drool, drool, drool.

 

Jim (without Ruth)

[m steve]

is worth a bite!

[Oceans&Rivers]

September 7th on the Westerdam was our third HAL cruise in a veranda cabin. Neither my wife nor I are smokers (though I was one 30 years ago), but smoking on the verandas never bothered us. We never noticed smoke in any areas of the ship other than the casino and bars. However, on this cruise there was a cabin 3 or 4 doors down from us in which the smoke was so heavy that it was very noticeable in the hallway at all hours of the day and night. I felt sorry for the people who would be moving into that cabin the next week. I don't see how that smell could be eliminated in the few hours between cruises.

 

Have any of you experienced moving into such a cabin, and if it bothered you, what you did about it?

 

Yes, we have experienced that on Holland America. Actually, only on Holland America have we had a cabin which had the horrid smell of stale tobacco.

 

We notified the Concierge and had the cabin extensively cleaned. It must cost Holland America a lot to do this procedure, but it was absolutely necessary.

 

If you really want to cruise on this cruise line, you should notify your travel agent (or Holland America) to mark in your record that your cabin must be super-cleaned prior to your boarding as you are a non-smoker and smoke bothers you. The staff on board will do the best they can to rid your cabin of stale smoke odor (and you have every right to insist that they do), but it would be much simpler if Holland America would provide smoke-free cabins. If they also want to provide some cabins where smoking is permitted, they can do that, but to not provide any cabins whatsoever that are entirely smoke-free is simply wrong.

[WeLoveCruising]

If they also want to provide some cabins where smoking is permitted, they can do that, but to not provide any cabins whatsoever that are entirely smoke-free is simply wrong.

 

I never had a problem, but it does concern me that at some point I might. I've been known to be a big pain switching hotel rooms if I can detect a stale smoke odor (which to me doesnt take much, I'm very sensitive to it). HAL must do a good job, because we've done many, many cruises and havent had a problem - but - they could alleviate this entirely by coming up with some solution that would make everyone happy.

[Oceans&Rivers]

They managed for EIGHT years.

 

I absolutely will be remaining with HAL but shall use every available opportunity to try and have smoking more and more limited.

 

Don't you see that by remaining with HAL and continuing to sail with them under their current pro-smoker policies you are telling them with your money that while you may be willing to plead with them to change things, you really aren't willing to take your money elsewhere?

 

I'm sorry, sail7seas, but begging, pleading, filling out questionnaires with this particular company...all of it appears to fall on deaf ears.

 

If you and others who feel as you (and we) do move to other cruiselines, then HAL will notice our loss in a major way and they will change.

 

There are not enough smokers to take up the void of non-smokers! You know that yourself. But the non-smokers must leave HAL for as long as it takes until HAL changes their out-dated policy.

 

It won't take long for there to be a turn-around once non-smokers leave in droves, but if you keep booking cruises under the current policy, they will not change.

[Oceans&Rivers]

Not a smoker, never have been (well, nine months in utero; mom only stopped while IN the delivery room). Unless and until it is declared illegal I will defend its use to the death by those who wish to partake.

 

It already is illegal to smoke in public in many places, including many outdoor areas (beaches and sidewalks in some areas), and not only where food is served.

 

What are you going to do in those places where it is already illegal if you notice a smoker lighting up and being perhaps told to put it out?

 

Which side will you defend?

[Beebob1]

It already is illegal to smoke in public in many places, including many outdoor areas (beaches and sidewalks in some areas), and not only where food is served.

 

What are you going to do in those places where it is already illegal if you notice a smoker lighting up and being perhaps told to put it out?

 

Which side will you defend?

 

If smoking is ilegal in some areas then CDRMark shouldn't say/do anything. I believe the point being made was as long as the smoker is in the "smoking section" and someone made an issue Then & ONLY then would CDRMark say something.

 

Maybe I misread it.

[Hugh0906]

 

There are not enough smokers to take up the void of non-smokers! You know that yourself. But the non-smokers must leave HAL for as long as it takes until HAL changes their out-dated policy.

 

 

15-20% of adults in the USA smoke. Not a particularly high percentage compared to much of the monied world. Asians, some European countries, etc. They do however influence where many of the folks spend their money on vacations, bars, etc.

 

I think that if you persuaded HAL today to immediately cease and desist all smoking on board, in 24 months you'd have big red, white and blue whale tails on the ships, as Micky decided that it was a broken model.

 

Go into any smoking area on the ships, they are packed around the bars. Go to other side of the same area. It will be lifeless.

 

Hugh in Dallas

[JimVrhovac]

Thank you for you comments.

 

We don't ask for anything special just a place to practice what is a legal activity in theis country.

 

Problem is you have a lot of non smokers that want to sit at the bar in smoking areas and then complain about it

 

Jim

[Hugh0906]

Thank you for you comments.

 

We don't ask for anything special just a place to practice what is a legal activity in theis country.

 

Problem is you have a lot of non smokers that want to sit at the bar in smoking areas and then complain about it

 

Jim

 

As an OP said, that is all too common, I've had staff ask me not to smoke in the cigar smoking area on another line.

 

Hugh in Dallas

[CDRMark]

It already is illegal to smoke in public in many places, including many outdoor areas (beaches and sidewalks in some areas), and not only where food is served.

 

What are you going to do in those places where it is already illegal if you notice a smoker lighting up and being perhaps told to put it out?

 

Which side will you defend?

I am an unabashed rule follower. Put on my seatbelt to move my car to the other side of the driveway, and signal when I do so.

We all accept some limits on our legal freedoms, generally for the public good.

There is a move in some quarters to make smoking illegal in ones own home, for the good of the resident non-smokers and whomsoever the fun police might seek to protect. Which side will you defend? :)

One wonders what the ACLU thinks?

Cheers

Mark

[norcal2]

I have the actual secret correct answer about smoking that I'd love to share with each of you but I put it in a lockbox and forgot where I put it. If and when I find it I will try to remember to tell you. :D

[RuthC]

There is a move in some quarters to make smoking illegal in ones own home, for the good of the resident non-smokers and whomsoever the fun police might seek to protect.

I live alone, (except for the cat). If something like that were to be passed here, I'd be tempted to take up smoking again. :rolleyes: