Taking your DSLR with your on your cruise...

[sports-mom]

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If cruising with your DSL's. Bring the video cable. You can plug it into the TV in your room and view/cull the days pictures. Some newer cameras output in HiDef so you can view your pictures in high resolution. It's fun and it allows you to delete the obviously bad pictures and free up memory space.

Oh thats a good point. I was hoping not to bring my laptop with me.

And this I really never gave thought to. Thanks! :)

 

thank you all for such a great debate on raw vs. jpg.

I Guess we can all agree to disagree :D

[bakechef]

A 1TB drive = $200 or $300, not $100.

 

For every terabyte drive filled, there's a backup to be made and if you're doing RAID, add at least one more. If one is detail-obsessed enough to shoot RAW for a birthday party, I can't imagine there aren't multiple backup copies being made.

 

:)

 

Dave

 

I have seen many 1 terabyte drives for $100, I have even seen usb portable ones in that price range from name brand manufacturers, the prices really seem to be coming down fast!:)

[compulady]

I've seen 1 TB drives for $85 recently.

Things change fast!

[pierces]

In case my point was missed...

 

Add a drive...

(1TB drive x $100) = $100

 

Support for that drive...

Two 1TB drives (raid + backup, etc) x $100 = $200

 

Real cost = $300

 

Still cheap, but needs to be considered.

 

Dave

[krogerlady]

Aplmac, fantastic pictures, and I must admit, I haven't ventured into raw either, and for the same reasons. They are just my pictures, and share with family, usually online, so they get even smaller.

Jayne

[compulady]

I highly doubt many people here plan on creating RAID drives.

Multi drive backups are important no matter what size your data set is.

A 1 TB drive is only about 20% more than a 500 GB drive.

Storage costs are always on a downward spiral.

 

In case my point was missed...

 

Add a drive...

(1TB drive x $100) = $100

 

Support for that drive...

Two 1TB drives (raid + backup, etc) x $100 = $200

 

Real cost = $300

 

Still cheap, but needs to be considered.

 

Dave

[pierces]

Storage costs are always on a downward spiral.

 

Yes but software and file sizes are on a different spiral. They are like a gas...they always seem to expand to fill all available volume! :D

 

Dave

[websailor]

Both my PCs at home where I store my pictures (full size and the web server) are Raid 1. :)

 

I also copy them off to DVDs regularly - we have one set at home, one at my work office, one at my wife's work office.

 

Then again, I expect an earthquake to level the California Bay Area sometime in the future. :(

[piper28]

There is a reason for the LCD screen, histogram yes ? :D

 

I guess I was too busy paying attention to the stuff around me, and not enough attention to what I was doing. Many were savable, and my wife carries her own camera too, so between those, all was not lost.

 

Some embrace the DSLR for the the abilty to add complexity I'm a fan of embracing the performance of the DSLR to avoid the complexity. People should feel comfortable that they can achieve very very very good and even professional results shooting JPG.

 

I guess it's a matter of perspective. I don't really view it as adding complexity, but flexibility. Sure, most times I might just use the jpg. but if I'm not happy, I still have the ability to work on it some more. And unless I do choose to work on the raw image, it's not really adding any work. (And I won't argue, the auto modes on modern DSLR's can produce very good quality these days).

 

Yes but software and file sizes are on a different spiral. They are like a gas...they always seem to expand to fill all available volume! :D

 

Try finding room for people analyzing fmri experiments. Makes finding space for my photos look easy by comparison :). And it could be worse, I remember the days when I spent $600 for a 500M hard drive. But then, I seem to collect hard drives. Organization's probably a bigger problem for me than backing up.

[pierces]

Try finding room for people analyzing fmri experiments.

 

Built one of those in my garage to help me understand how obedience training was affecting my dog! Had plenty of storage for the imaging data but when I fired up the 300 starter motor cores from Pick-A-Part, the field wiped all the drives. :eek:

 

I'll use a longer USB cable next time!

 

:D

 

Happy Shooting!

 

Dave

[Aplmac]

I've seen 1 TB drives for $85 recently.

Things change fast!

My next "Hard Drive" is likely to be SSD = Solid State Digital. ;)

 

The archaic idea of spinning platters to be read by a gramaphone needle type thingy

is drawing to a close.

 

Yes SSD drives are comparatively small/expensive at the moment

but given that we replace our computers on average about every 3-4 yrs.

youi might want to start thinking in this futuristic direction...

 

 

.

[Aplmac]

(And I won't argue, the auto modes on modern DSLR's can produce very good quality these days).

Their sheer light-gathering abilities are amazing!

 

This was the shot that popped the reality in my head as to what I'd just bought.

 

 

 

 

 

This was taken in Civitavecchia Harbour with my brand-new Nikon D60 with 18-55 kit lens..

hand-held at about 1/5th. of a sec.

lens set at 18mm. Camera set at Auto.

I didn't even know enough yet to turn the image stabilisation thing on! :D

 

After the shutter clicked, I checked the little screen to see what...

the lighting looked like it was ten minutes ago, not near-dark! :eek:

 

 

yeaahh it's not pin sharp but it'll do nicely.. :)

 

 

.

[pierces]

My next "Hard Drive" is likely to be SSD = Solid State Digital. ;)

 

The archaic idea of spinning platters to be read by a gramaphone needle type thingy

is drawing to a close.

 

Yes SSD drives are comparatively small/expensive at the moment

but given that we replace our computers on average about every 3-4 yrs.

youi might want to start thinking in this futuristic direction...

 

 

.

 

It will be a while for my desktop, but my next laptop or netbook will definitely have an SSD hard drive!

 

Very cool tech!

 

Dave

[chipmaster]

My next "Hard Drive" is likely to be SSD = Solid State Digital. ;)

 

The archaic idea of spinning platters to be read by a gramaphone needle type thingy

is drawing to a close.

 

Yes SSD drives are comparatively small/expensive at the moment

but given that we replace our computers on average about every 3-4 yrs.

youi might want to start thinking in this futuristic direction...

 

 

.

 

Moore's law is indeed a powerfuly thing but the HDD guys have been actually implementing bit density improvement at a faster trend then the flash memory guys. True a HDD has additional overhead with motor and many other non-scaleable parts, but price/bit of HDD will be superior to SSD for a good more many years.

 

If you need is < 60GB a reasonable cost more reliable and energy efficient alternative is coming into play with SSD, but a HDD will have a good 4-10x the density advantage for cheaper for a good long time.

 

And if you shoot RAW + JPEG forget it :D

[soblue]

SNAP Aplmac

 

 

Just browsing the threads and saw your photo, so I thought I would add mine!

 

 

 

 

 

Their sheer light-gathering abilities are amazing!

 

This was the shot that popped the reality in my head as to what I'd just bought.

 

 

 

 

 

This was taken in Civitavecchia Harbour with my brand-new Nikon D60 with 18-55 kit lens..

hand-held at about 1/5th. of a sec.

lens set at 18mm. Camera set at Auto.

I didn't even know enough yet to turn the image stabilisation thing on! :D

 

After the shutter clicked, I checked the little screen to see what...

the lighting looked like it was ten minutes ago, not near-dark! :eek:

 

 

yeaahh it's not pin sharp but it'll do nicely.. :)

 

 

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[chipmaster]

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<P>Nikon image stabilization is in the lens.  If you have the 18-55 VR there is a sliding switch on the lens on the left side of the lens, labeled  "VR"   slide it to ON then when you have push the shutter button two things happen; focus and VR lock.   In some cases on longer focal lense you can actual see your shake and when the VR locks you see the image freeze.</P>

<P>The ONLY time to turn VR off is when you mount and shoot on a tripod.</P>

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[piper28]

I'm still a little leary on the SSD stuff myself. I know they're getting better, but I think they still have issues of lifespan on number of writes. And quite honestly, I've had enough reliability issues with various types of flash media over the years that I don't trust anything critical to them (then again, some of those failures are undoubtably due to media being plugged in and removed a bunch of times, which an SSD doesn't have to do). I store enough on a laptop that they're still iffy on the cost/size, but they are getting there (but definitely have a ways to go for more archival type storage).

 

Nice night shots.

[compulady]

I am already thinking that. I have had a computer with SSD (Macbook Air) since January 2008.

 

But for practical storage purpose HDD is still the only option. I currently have close to 1 TB of archived photos at my home on 1 TB HDD, and a Drobo unit (that currently had 2x 1 TB, a 500 GB and 1 250 GB, I am waiting for prices on the 1.5-2 TB to drop a bit then I will replace the 250 and 500 and the Drobo will rebuild itself) also I keep a copy at my mothers home about 40 miles away on 2 x 500 GB 2.5" drives.

 

A Drobo is a similar concept to RAID but it is not a RAID. It is a device that holds up to 4 SATA HDDs and if any one of the drives fails it can rebuild itself from the remaining drives data. It costs about $450 right now and you can add your own HDDs but they need to be reformatted to work in the Drobo system. You can also buy the Drobo with 4 HDDs. Unlike RAID the drives can be of different sizes and can be swapped out one at a time at almost anytime.

 

I DO NOT TRUST ANY HARD DRIVE, but I do trust that multiple hard drives will not fail at once (barring disaster). Offsite backup is the answer to that.

 

 

My next "Hard Drive" is likely to be SSD = Solid State Digital. ;)

 

The archaic idea of spinning platters to be read by a gramaphone needle type thingy

is drawing to a close.

 

Yes SSD drives are comparatively small/expensive at the moment

but given that we replace our computers on average about every 3-4 yrs.

youi might want to start thinking in this futuristic direction...

 

 

.

[pierces]

A Drobo is a similar concept to RAID but it is not a RAID. It is a device that holds up to 4 SATA HDDs and if any one of the drives fails it can rebuild itself from the remaining drives data. It costs about $450 right now and you can add your own HDDs but they need to be reformatted to work in the Drobo system. You can also buy the Drobo with 4 HDDs. Unlike RAID the drives can be of different sizes and can be swapped out one at a time at almost anytime.

 

I hadn't seen that in an home-priced external enclosure. My RAID card supports eight hot-swappable drives and a bazillion arrangements. I have two RAID1 mirrors with two spares that will auto-rebuild either array in case of failure. The extra security in the external would be nice.

 

I'll look into that tech. Thanks!

 

Dave

[Aplmac]

I DO NOT TRUST ANY HARD DRIVE,

but I do trust that multiple hard drives will not fail at once (barring disaster).

After 5+ years of physically spinning platters, any HDD is looking to die.

I've had too many HDD crashes in my time: they're unreliable in the long term.

 

 

SSD technology is in its infancy relatively.

In 5-10 yrs. we'll all be singing a different tune

 

 

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IMO, nothing beats burning your data to either CD or DVD

and storing them in a flat,cool place.