Electronic Cigarette

[satchiesmom]

I think the electronic cigarette is a fantastic idea.

The smoker gets to enjoy "smoking", and the non-smokers around him/her get to enjoy not smoking.

Looks like a total win/win to me!:D

I agree. While I am a non smoker now, I did smoke for a number of years so I can sympathize with the smokers. I don't see any harm in the e cigarettes, it truly does seem like a win-win situation. And some of us non smokers absolutely cannot be around cigarette smoke for health reasons. I have severe asthma and literally cannot breathe when exposed to cigarette smoke for any length of time, and it's not a pretty sight.:o

[ramblingrose]

And my hats off to all that work to improve their lot behaviorally... I'm Ex-a lot of things... :)

 

Slightly off topic...

 

Isn't it ironic how the tobacco industry has spent decades fighting tobacco regulation, but is quietly and not so quietly push push pushing for FDA regulation of E-cigs. Like the newly ligitimized liquor lobby in the '30's getting 'reefer' banned by the Feds.:cool:

Oh yes. In the 90s Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds both made their own versions of smokeless cigarettes that were feeble and failed to sell. I'll bet e-cigs only get approved when Big Tobacco goes back to the drawing board and finally comes up with something like the e-cigs now coming in from China. It will all come down to the almighty dollar.

 

In the meantime (and to say something back on topic), I'll use my e-cigs to stay healthy, and enjoy my trips on any cruise line, no matter what the smoking rules.

[6502programmer]

To answer the original question, I would assume that the answer would be that they're allowed, as there is no ignition / burning, but don't be surprised if someone freaks out nonetheless. As most folks can attest, it is better to be wrong but thought right than right but thought wrong. If you're going to vape, do it discretely.

 

As a recently quit smoker who has thoroughly researched such things, I can weigh in that while the carcinogen intake will be down, nicotine is still a dangerous drug. It mucks with brain chemistry, affects metabolism, and has all sorts of effects throughout the body. You're still taking in nicotine, putting you at risk for coronary atherosclerosis. Nicotine is a powerful vasoconstrictor, and will raise your blood pressure. Peripheral artery disease can cause limb loss. It mucks with your dopamine receptors.

 

I know about smoking. I did it for twenty years. I will not begrudge those lacking in will or willpower to no longer smoke. For me, smoking wasn't a choice--It was an addiction, both physical to nicotine and psychological to the ritual of smoking. If someone wishes to continues their addiction, that's fine by me. I would just want them to be fully informed regarding the choices they're making. Vaping IS less harmful than smoking. Vaping is NOT harmless.

[Shaco]

Frankly, I don't care if smokers are addicted to nicotine or not. That's not my business or problem. My only objection to you smoking is called Second Hand Smoke, which is my business and my problem since your smoke affects MY health.

 

If you tell me the e-cig sends off no toxins to harm me, you should smoke all you wish. Not being able to tell if what you are smoking is the real deal or a facsimile, does put me into the boor category, for I would surely not want to be exposed to your smoke, especially when I expressly booked X for their non smoking policy.

 

Are your e-cigs made by Phillip Morris? I hope so. My stock winnings in MO are much appreciated. Thank you very much.

 

Shaco

[Davey Interweb]

Frankly, I don't care if smokers are addicted to nicotine or not. That's not my business or problem. My only objection to you smoking is called Second Hand Smoke, which is my business and my problem since your smoke affects MY health.

 

If you tell me the e-cig sends off no toxins to harm me, you should smoke all you wish. Not being able to tell if what you are smoking is the real deal or a facsimile, does put me into the boor category, for I would surely not want to be exposed to your smoke, especially when I expressly booked X for their non smoking policy.

 

Are your e-cigs made by Phillip Morris? I hope so. My stock winnings in MO are much appreciated. Thank you very much.

 

Shaco

 

Oh, I assume that some trace amounts of nicotine vapor will be expelled by the e-cig user, and it's possible you may be exposed to that on an extremely low level. Otherwise, the really nasty constituents found in tobacco smoke will be entirely absent.

 

I don't smoke cigs, however it's been my experience that even the most militant non-smoker will keep their mouths shut until they see, or smell actual smoke. Nicotine is odorless.

[Charles4515]

Frankly, I don't care if smokers are addicted to nicotine or not. That's not my business or problem. My only objection to you smoking is called Second Hand Smoke, which is my business and my problem since your smoke affects MY health.

 

If you tell me the e-cig sends off no toxins to harm me, you should smoke all you wish. Not being able to tell if what you are smoking is the real deal or a facsimile, does put me into the boor category, for I would surely not want to be exposed to your smoke, especially when I expressly booked X for their non smoking policy.

 

Are your e-cigs made by Phillip Morris? I hope so. My stock winnings in MO are much appreciated. Thank you very much.

 

Shaco

 

Toxins have been detected from the electronic cigarettes. Also the FDA considers them to be a nicotine delivery system subject to their approval. They are investigating them. They have blocked importation of them.

[ramblingrose]

As to toxins: The FDA found a minute amount in only one of the entire batch of samples. It was the sample from a supplier who sells less than 10% of all the liquid. All it takes to resolve this is for the FDA to set quality controls, as it does with so many other products. The carcinogenic was in an amount equal to what is in FDA approved nicotine replacements, and far, far less than in tobacco cigarettes. Furthermore, it was not found in the vapor that is exhaled. In fact, in the only government sponsored study of the safety of e-cigarettes published to date, there was nothing at all unsafe in the vapor. The nicotine is mostly absorbed in the user's mouth and the balance in the user's throat. The vapor is nothing more than what you see on stages, except, of course, in far smaller quantities.

 

As to cigarette-like appearance: While there are a few models that look like a cigarette, the vast majority are black; some are other dark colors, some don't look at all like a cigarette.

 

As to 6502programmer's comments: Any studies done to date indicate carcinogens are not 'down' - they are out completely. While nicotine has effects on the cardiovascular system, the amount in the equivalent of one cigarette is approximately 10%. Cardiovascular effects are therefore minimal. There aren't any official studies on this yet, but as e-cigarette users are seeing their doctors, improvement is significant pretty much across the board. Their doctors end up strongly in favor of their patients who cannot quit continuing to use them. I can tell you that in my case, by blood pressure dropped 30 points. Going from prehypertensive to the low end of normal is a good thing. My heart rate has also dropped 25 beats per minute. I was never able to quit smoking, so I'll happily choose the nicotine addiction over all the other harmful effects that go with smoking.

 

The FDA has been blasted for serious distortion of the data by the Chairman of the Tobacco Control Task Force for the American Association of Public Health Physicians, Boston U.'s doc whose specialty is public health and who has been involved in tobacco control for over 20 years, Smoke Free Pensylvania, and many others. There was no problem until the pharmaceutical companies that stand to lose a lot of business requested the FDA to step in.

 

E-cigarette users welcome FDA analysis and regulation to maintain quality control. We want to be safe, and don't want to harm anyone else. But, especially now that tobacco cigarettes are under the auspice of the FDA, it's utterly ludicrous that cigarettes remain legal while electronic cigarettes may not. There are anti-smoking specialists who've already stated that e-cigs can probably save between 90 and 99% of the lives that are lost to smoking tobacco if every smoker switched.

[Charles4515]

E-cigarette users welcome FDA analysis and regulation to maintain quality control. We want to be safe, and don't want to harm anyone else. But, especially now that tobacco cigarettes are under the auspice of the FDA, it's utterly ludicrous that cigarettes remain legal while electronic cigarettes may not. There are anti-smoking specialists who've already stated that e-cigs can probably save between 90 and 99% of the lives that are lost to smoking tobacco if every smoker switched.

 

That is nice but they have not been proven safe. Nor have they been proven unsafe. It is a fairly new product. Cigarettes were once sold and advertised as healthy. Clinical studies and toxicity studies need to be done. Proof of the products safety should be proven before they are sold in the United States.

[Gracie115]

Not condemning or condoning here but VERY curious about this. I smoked 3 packs a day till I quit 12 years ago, the hardest thing I've ever done and anyone that thinks it's not an addiction needs to do more reading. It's considered as difficult as heroin to quit.

 

Anyway...curious if anyone who is/has used the E Cigarette has found it easier to quit the real thing completely, or is it just a substitute used for those times when you CAN'T smoke a real one?

 

I ask for a reason, I have dear friend who is not well who needs to quit, and would like to tell her of this IF it will aid her.

 

Any information would be appreciated!!!

[ramblingrose]

That is nice but they have not been proven safe. Nor have they been proven unsafe. It is a fairly new product. Cigarettes were once sold and advertised as healthy. Clinical studies and toxicity studies need to be done. Proof of the products safety should be proven before they are sold in the United States.

Cigarettes are proven unsafe, are under the auspice of the FDA, and are perfectly legal. Chantix has been proven to have side effects that can be lethal (suicide), and the FDA continues to allow it to be sold. All approved NRTs have proven side effects, and include some deaths, but is legal. Hundreds of products that have nothing to do with this issue but which have side effects that are, on occasion, lethal are approved anyway and continue to be sold.

 

Over 400, 000 people die in this country every year because of smoking. Some strong anti-tobacco advocates have stated that e-cigs can probably save 90-99% of these people. While the FDA has not yet studied them, there have been a few studies completed in other countries, and others in process. Results are good - so far no legitimate safety issues (I repeat again - anti-tobacco physicians have gone on record stating that the miniscule agents found in e-cig cartridges are present in many other products and are not a valid concern).

 

To let 400,000 americans die every year when there is an alternative is criminal. Even heroin addicts are give needles or methadone, yet smokers should be left to die rather than allow an alternative? We welcome studies; quality control and safe packaging are important, and yes - just as there are potential side effects with nearly all pharmaceuticals, anything is possible and we want to know all there is to know. BUT - they are much safer than smoking. And if something turns up in studies that could be an issue down the road? Then we'll deal with it.

 

In the meantime people using an ecig instead have cleared out their lungs, lowered their blood pressure and heart rate, stopped inhaling 4000 chemicals including more than 40 known carcinogens and 600 tobacco additives, stopped polluting the air with second hand smoke and have added years to their lives. I will choose the chance of an unknown risk with e-cigs over the certainty of the harm tobacco cigarettes inflict.

[Gracie115]

Cigarettes are proven unsafe, are under the auspice of the FDA, and are perfectly legal. Chantix has been proven to have side effects that can be lethal (suicide), and the FDA continues to allow it to be sold. All approved NRTs have proven side effects, and include some deaths, but is legal. Hundreds of products that have nothing to do with this issue but which have side effects that are, on occasion, lethal are approved anyway and continue to be sold.

 

Over 400, 000 people die in this country every year because of smoking. Some strong anti-tobacco advocates have stated that e-cigs can probably save 90-99% of these people. While the FDA has not yet studied them, there have been a few studies completed in other countries, and others in process. Results are good - so far no legitimate safety issues (I repeat again - anti-tobacco physicians have gone on record stating that the miniscule agents found in e-cig cartridges are present in many other products and are not a valid concern).

 

To let 400,000 americans die every year when there is an alternative is criminal. Even heroin addicts are give needles or methadone, yet smokers should be left to die rather than allow an alternative? We welcome studies; quality control and safe packaging are important, and yes - just as there are potential side effects with nearly all pharmaceuticals, anything is possible and we want to know all there is to know. BUT - they are much safer than smoking. And if something turns up in studies that could be an issue down the road? Then we'll deal with it.

 

In the meantime people using an ecig instead have cleared out their lungs, lowered their blood pressure and heart rate, stopped inhaling 4000 chemicals including more than 40 known carcinogens and 600 tobacco additives, stopped polluting the air with second hand smoke and have added years to their lives. I will choose the chance of an unknown risk with e-cigs over the certainty of the harm tobacco cigarettes inflict.

 

 

I absolutely agree with you...if it can help break the crippling addiction to regular cigarettes or even help reduce the harm it does to the body...then I'm all for it....clinical studies????where were they when cigarettes were being touted as "safe" ...doubt very much there is ANYTHING in this E-Cigarette that could be as harmful as a regular cigarette....

[kthy66]

Cigarettes are proven unsafe, are under the auspice of the FDA, and are perfectly legal. Chantix has been proven to have side effects that can be lethal (suicide), and the FDA continues to allow it to be sold. All approved NRTs have proven side effects, and include some deaths, but is legal. Hundreds of products that have nothing to do with this issue but which have side effects that are, on occasion, lethal are approved anyway and continue to be sold.

 

I used Chantix for 4 months and I am now celebrating my 16 month anniversary as a non-smoker after 25 years of being a heavy smoker.

[ramblingrose]

Not condemning or condoning here but VERY curious about this. I smoked 3 packs a day till I quit 12 years ago, the hardest thing I've ever done and anyone that thinks it's not an addiction needs to do more reading. It's considered as difficult as heroin to quit.

 

Anyway...curious if anyone who is/has used the E Cigarette has found it easier to quit the real thing completely, or is it just a substitute used for those times when you CAN'T smoke a real one?

 

I ask for a reason, I have dear friend who is not well who needs to quit, and would like to tell her of this IF it will aid her.

 

Any information would be appreciated!!!

There are some who cut down but still can't quit, some take anywhere from immediate to several months to quit. I'm sure there are some people who use it to get through non-smoking occasions, same as some people use NRTs when they can't smoke. But a lot of people who've failed every other quitting method do quit with these.

 

Gracie, all I can tell you is I was a horror - chain smoked for nearly 40 years. I hated myself for it, but never managed to stop for more than one day. This is the only thing that ever worked for me. It's my chance for a long life, and I won't give it up.

[pspercy]

never managed to stop for more than one day. This is the only thing that ever worked for me. It's my chance for a long life, and I won't give it up.

 

 

Good for you, stick with it:)

 

One day ? I never made it past lunch time when I tried cold turkey, usually starting second pack about then too.

 

Then Nicorette came along, my dentist wrote me a prescription and, for me, that was it. Ditto for my wife a few days later, we were concerned at the cost - $8 or $9/carton LOL. Carpool friends took the same path, one taking a few months but he made it OK.

 

That was in 1984, since then I average about one cig or cigar per year, max.

 

If these e-cigs help they should be encouraged by the powers that be.

[Gracie115]

Gracie, all I can tell you is I was a horror - chain smoked for nearly 40 years. I hated myself for it, but never managed to stop for more than one day. This is the only thing that ever worked for me. It's my chance for a long life, and I won't give it up.

 

And you shouldn't....anything, ANYTHING that helps is worth it. Thanks for the endorsement I will pass this on.......and good luck with your efforts....you will never regret breaking the habit....

[ramblingrose]

And you shouldn't....anything, ANYTHING that helps is worth it. Thanks for the endorsement I will pass this on.......and good luck with your efforts....you will never regret breaking the habit....

Thanks. I know I won't regret it... these days I wake up smiling as I breathe in deeply for the first time in years.

 

Good luck with your friend; I hope it works out for her. I would suggest ordering online instead of buying at a Mall kiosk. Those tend to be overpriced and some people say they don't last as well. RockyMountainVapor is one example of a seller with good product at fair prices, and Dave will help her via email or phone if she has questions.

 

Good for you, stick with it:)

 

One day ? I never made it past lunch time when I tried cold turkey, usually starting second pack about then too.

 

Then Nicorette came along, my dentist wrote me a prescription and, for me, that was it. Ditto for my wife a few days later, we were concerned at the cost - $8 or $9/carton LOL. Carpool friends took the same path, one taking a few months but he made it OK.

 

That was in 1984, since then I average about one cig or cigar per year, max.

 

If these e-cigs help they should be encouraged by the powers that be.

I agree. Anything that can help smokers quit should be encouraged.

 

You sound like you were the same kind of smoker I was, except that Nicorette and Nicotrol didn't work for me. Congrats on your longterm quit... that's great!

[Longboysfan]

What will they think of next! E-cocktails?:D

 

Donia

 

I am so there......

[jackdiamond]

I am a non-smoker, but if the advertisements for the E-Cigarettes are true, it may be that they will be allowed on the Celebrity ships. That would certainly be a boon for those who would be able to enjoy their cigarettes without potentially injuring the health of others. While I am a non-smoker, I have always been somewhat ambivalent vis-a-vis the proscription against balcony smoking since there is a paucity of credible empirical data which would support the hypothesis that moderate second hand effects of outdoor smoking has a deleterious effect on the health of the non-smoker.