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Just now, Captain Billy Bob said:

I agree with you here but being 70 and over isn't a disability, is it?

No but they are not denying based on age- (if you are 70 and healthy you can cruise)   they are going to deny for health reasons - any chronic condition that would predispose you to complications from Covid 19 infection. 

It is very selective.  If you have heard the latest demographic reports, African Americans are disproportionately affected by Covid19- and in younger age group-  and are suffering many more serious complications and death. Are they going to exclude for reasons of race too or just those who have disabilities or chronic conditions?   I don't see how you can apply this rule outside of a pandemic.  IMO

3 hours ago, zonacruiser25 said:

Still trying to figure out how or who is being benefited from this.  The passenger that may get sick/die while on the cruise?  What about getting the cruise insurance developed to ACTUALLY cover circumstances/conditions to treat and/or remove/evacuate a passenger over 70 and make this a mandatory option to purchase if they want to cruise.  Or is it just to further indemnify the cruise line from any lawsuits?  I think if I had or have a condition when I reach 70, the right insurance could make sense for me to be able to cruise and I would just need to figure that into my cost for the cruise.

It's all about shifting liability from the cruiseline to the poor Physician. 

This policy was developed in a time of crisis and national emergency. It is not going to survive once this pandemic is over. You cannot deny public accommodations to people because of disability.    

I am sure this rule will be challenged in court as soon as practical.

11 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

Cruise lines don't have to abide by ADA.

Yes they do. 

https://www.vaxvacationaccess.com/the-compass/cruise-lines-and-accessibility-what-you-should-know/

I cannot imagine how they could enforce these requirements and still comply with ADA regulations. If someone is disabled by cardiac or pulmonary disease, uses a w/c and oxygen but is otherwise stable, how are they going to deny boarding?    I guess the way around it would be to claim limited mobility, and all of us with chronic conditions should roll up in a w/c !!  

3 hours ago, Captain Billy Bob said:

RC didn't come up with these guidelines on their own they were taking "guidance" from government agencies who are no doubt not just looking out for the public's interest  they also have an interest in looking like they are doing something.

 

To comply with guidance from CDC, WHO, public health authorities around the world, and the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), we are enhancing our rigorous global boarding and screening measures to protect our guests and crew. These measures are intentionally conservative and apply to anyone boarding our ships, guests and crew alike. We apologize for the inconvenience created by these precautionary measures.

Really not much to do with protecting passengers and crew - these are CYA maneuvers, meant to shift liability from cruiseline to Physician.   

Just now, firefly333 said:

Thanks, I havent read thru this whole thread, it's pretty long sorry.

 

I probably havent seen a doctor in 2 years. My last 2 gp s quit, and its past time to transfer any records. How could any doctor know about my kidneys etc since they dont know my history and its inaccessible at this pt.

 

I just dont see finding a new gp who will sign such a note. Sounds impossible to me. I'll try going in october before my final payment, I'm just dubious a real doctor would sign off on me without prior records. ... that's if I can get in the see a gp or get a new gp in these times.

You will probably need to go in for a complete physical ahead of time. 

13 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

And it all makes the note worthless. One could be infected but symptom free when seeing the doctor. One could pick up the virus after seeing the doctor. Thousands of people travel from all over to get to the same ship. They take different flights and transit a myriad of different airports being exposed to thousands of people in the 24-48 hours before boarding the ship.

 

If the true intent of the note is to keep Corona off of the ships then the note isn't worth the cost if the paper that it is written on.

The note just addresses whether you have any chronic health condition such as heart lung liver or kidney disease or immunodefficiency status due to HIV/AIDS  or diabetes, which would make this person susceptible to complications arising from infection with Covid19.  I attest that this person is fit to travel on cruise vacation.

It is not asking for a statement certifying you are currently free of infection. 

This is going to bar an awful lot of people from cruising, isn't it? If you have hypertension stay home.... 

I imagine that once this pandemic is over and cruising returns to a semblance of normal, cruise lines will again be required to comply with ADA regulations.

On 3/12/2020 at 3:47 PM, ziggyuk said:

 

Not unpopular at all, I have been saying for ages we have gone past the point of no return and so has the US, my view has not been popular but I think it's sadly proven now.

 

Our PM just did a great talk to the nation and basically said we are moving out of containment and into delay which is stage two, he fully expects us to have thousands of cases in the next 4 weeks and we are at the base of an epidemic curve.

 

The Delay period is designed to flatten the epidemic bell-shaped graph curve, allowing the health service to cope better and moving cases into the summer months where they can be dealt with better.

 

I think our government is being very honest, telling us the truth that will happen over the next month and what they will try and do to help

 

I would recommend anyone to watch the speech, I personally think is was honest and down to earth.

 

 

That is the best explanation and the best advice I have seen yet.

Since he has excluded the UK from this ban, does this mean anyone in Europe can just travel to the US via London ? 

So anyone from Europe wishing to come to the US can just come via the UK  ?

President Trump just announced a travel ban from Europe to the US - excluding the UK- starting at midnight Friday.   

10 hours ago, Reader0108598 said:

 

Folks keep a grip!  we have to live period! it is no worse than the flu! Wash your hands! Am I getting on a flight or a cruise ship soon no!  Panic will kill us before the corona virus!  I have more that one auto immune disease so need to look out but not panic!

 

 

This is what a pandemic looks like- 

41 minutes ago, Jasukkie said:

16 nights on Jewel for $142. With taxes and fees it's about $500 per person double occupancy. That's Dubai to Rome through the Suez Canal. I really wish I could drop everything and get on this.

What date?

I didn't know the gun was loaded....

4 hours ago, Ocean Boy said:

You are telling me they take 12 people off the ship and only test four?

https://time.com/5779803/coronavirus-new-jersey-cruise/

Doesn't sound like it. 

As a juror my conclusion would have to be - he was holding her, he let go of her.

To me a window is a window. Whether it is in a car, bus, train,ship or building,  you should be careful to know if it is open or closed before taking a toddler near it. 

28 minutes ago, rusty nut said:

Obviously, RC doesn't have any video taken from outside the ship that shows Chloe held outside the window. Clearly, if they did, this case would not be moving forward.

This is not meant sarcastically, but why would they need that? She wasn't held inside.  If he is colorblind or 

has poor vision, poor depth perception then it is his responsibility to be even more careful.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7974255/Parents-toddler-fell-death-Royal-Caribbean-ship-proceed-lawsuit.html

I don't mind at all. I usually know ahead of time what I want, and they are trying to streamline service for a couple of thousand people, so if this helps, why not? 

Well if you know you are colorblind and can't tell an open window from closed one, shouldn't you take EXTRA care when you hold a child up to one?

Ship has been cleared.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51314138

NCL will deny boarding to any passenger who has been in China in the last 30 days.