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The Rumors album-- I still have mine. When I bought it, also bought Aerosmith's Toys in the Attic and Led Zep Zoso... Where did those days go? Consider this-- real music of our era is now "cruise ship music"! Yikes. 😶

I am sorry my concert Ts from my teen years are long gone--though they wouldn't fit 🙃 However some were from concerts with bragging rights.

@PistolPete13 TYVM for your review and info You last post re the havoc in the buffet (aka "the trough") and saying you haven't seen that before reminds me of the movie Vantage Point. Meaning we have seen it on many lines We have seen bad behavior on Carnival, Celebrity, NCL and MSC... sometimes alcohol related, other times just plain selfness, greed, gluttony, wastefulness, envy. Could be sex in pubic spaces, ignoring muster station calls, drinks and food in hot tubs, cutting lines, handling food and then leaving it on a buffet, extreme drunks including falling off a stool (and medics called), piling plates and food waste, chair hogs/towels, sneaking into reserved lounges/decks for suite class, and and complaints about and to those who paid for perks like suite class/priority boarding etc. We even know of an event where the security had to separate a couple and put the spouse in a separate cabin! Sadly those behaviors exist. If only something could be done about such people... TY for your review. Bon Voyage

https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/ports-destinations/msc-cruises-reportedly-plans-100m-ocean-cay-upgrade yes true was announced last year

That is a fun trip. Took one of our young adult kids on a tour of that - we had a great time When I was in hs-- our PROM was on one of the tour lines that goes around. Bussed over to the pier, did the tour around (band on board) I forget if there was food. I am thinking I need to add the ferries etc. Such fun and a nice wink/humor Best fog

We like it--especially after shows get out and the place is mobbed (Merav--and YC is straight upstairs from theater) or when coming back from excursions. When moving about with butler we didn't have issues and never did we get eye rolls..at least to our face. The nice thing about MSC is everyone can choose cabins/experience levels a la carte from bev, access etc. So people choose how to spend their $. I get it though-- and we don't use it often. As someone has said--with get power comes great responsibility 😉

Not certain they can plant on the waters edge at the YC portion there. Its all ground and rocky coral etc. Sand etc.. plus it would impact view, water access for swimming etc. Every time we are there (6 so far) the plantings have grown and the continued work on the island has improved. If you recall a few years back the Bahamas got rolled by a big hurricane that churn for days--houses under 12 ft and more of water.. right after OC had opened.

@bundtkate Great points TY for the review. We've sailed YC on Merav6 times and booked Divinia and Seashore for the coming months. So reading about Seascape is helpful. OC beach -- so difficult the first sailings as we didnt know to bring beach shoes. In 2022 the ship was so empty and at the YC beach we put down a couple of floats to walk across. Funny - or not- so funny, I slipped with wet feet coming up out of the water onto that float. I was ok, just embarrassed and the lifeguard didn't seem to know what to do. I just wave, took and bow and said "stuck the landing " to the few YC ers looking on Agree that the YC OC experience shouldn't be shut down so quickly. I've heard that the OC YC portion --that all food/bev and cutlery/dishes have to be brought onto OC, unpacked/served and then repacked/transported back to each ship that calls on OC as a port stop. If you are sitting on the beach, to not be able to enjoy a drink after 3 ish seems shortsighted. We have really enjoyed MSC YC and all that it includes. We have wondered about the YC inside cabins - for a last minute deal sort of thing. Did you find storage manageable? We are sailing in Haven on a TA soon and from all that is NOT included in Haven (premium pls bev, thermal spa, premium wifi ...to name a few) we hope the overall experience turns out fine for the $$$ Thanks again for your review.

I agree with everyone who stated that without travel insurance you don't have recourse. If you paid by credit card, check to see if there is a provision for travel insurance you may have overlooked. It may help. Good luck

well.. better to share more IF the OP isn't a regular YC cruiser..than for them to expect to "take away' and to "where" in YC? If your room-- ? pool deck? YC Lounge? We dont understand people carrying trays from the big buffet to a cabin (unless we are talking about napping kids/illness). We have seen tupperware! 🤪 on some lines... We appreciate that CCers who know -- then share... Don't you? Things like- -Where are you doing take away to ? room? Fussy toddler no on wants to see- so back to your room? -Did they know the grill has different options? -Do they know that the bigger part of the ship is VERY different? -Pizza is great o the big buffet? If you aren't a YC--you aren't carrying YC food to mid ship pool.. With that said What's Your best advice without knowing what the parameters are for the question? We try to be helpful

exactly... You ;also can't generally take stuff like pizza and food from main buffet up onto the YC pool deck or into the YC lounge Have you tried the grill on the YC pool deck for lunch? Also the main buffet has a large selection. Worth a spin through if you want a change of venue

@Essiesmom Have meant to tell you-- I love the humor in your signature!🛳️

My DH is an introvert and he says he and the other introverts would be happy to sit near each other and not talk. 😂 However--he is so much fun - as many are -- once you make introductions. We have met so many great people sailing and the ones who are rude and unkind-- we steer clear of since ships are big enough that way. 🛳️

We have made some great friends on sailings.. from all walks of life and when we've been sailing a variety of cabin levels. So Haven bar not a shocker. Have kept in touch with all of them over the last decade +. For those who don't like cruising-- I think its may be a matter of fit--the brand/cabin level-experience level that didn't match expectations. We like ocean sailing so much--and while we have considered river cruises and are not certain of which brand and itinerary to choose--the issue of low river water can make it a slog by bus... Happy sailing

Was reported in the Jax biz journal. Maybe closer than we know?

Always appreciate your posts and humor

Exactly. Restaurants, Airports, Ships.... Not everyone thinks your kids are cute or hold the same opinion of "talent".

You must watch the video IN your room. and then call. On a sailing there were YC guests who failed to watch/call etc and have their cards scanned--they had to then do the walk of shame to get it done. The security system and YC Director then knows which cabins have failed to comply

I could imagine they bundle the "free at sea" and call it what it is-- inclusive. And raise prices. I would expect the bev package included to change and the premium plus fees to rise. Not a hotel pro here - yet expect this is about cost centers, traffic in special dining etc If everyone is getting bev packages--then it is "included". For those that don't imbibe it has less value than those who have drink before dinner etc

It is a nice paid-for perk. We agree. 😘

The YC folks skip the long embarkation at ports of call-- So for example, we'd enter at the bow through a YC awning over the gangway/tent and into that door/up the priority elevators - yet gen pop had mid ship or aft lines/elevators. Its a nice perk when lines to get back on are long and the weather is too wet/too hot/too cold etc. Up a designated gangway, through security screening and then up the YC elevators. Super convenient

haha true Though I do know MSC YC butlers do know who is sailing in YC and at ports of call know who is planning on going ashore... and while we have a YC tent/ awning at all ports and express elevators, they have been known to look for pax coming back. They also know who is in YC and actively remove non YC pax who sneak in 🤪 While we have sailed NCL, we haven't tried Haven- so trying to manage expectations

TYVM @graphicguy Was just reading that tiny text on it. BTW Can someone confirm that Haven has priority boarding at port calls? Is there a tent/awning somewhere or butlers looking for Haven pax? TYIA

True, yet many drink wines from the "new world" , S Amer etc. or "old world" style from France , Italy etc. or wine coming from New Z etc.

I wonder if this is harvest related or just cheapness on the part of lines We had an ultra premium type of package on MSC for our first B2Bs (feb 2020) and that allowed use to use the somm and do wine pairing with outstanding choices as well as for DH to drink the JW Blue etc included, great cognacs etc. In 2022 that package had disappeared. And on that B2Bs.. many things offered on the new prem plus bev package were not stocked... A few years ago we had a great pre plus on NCL and Veuve Cliquot as well as the best whiskey choices were included..and we had excellent wine choices all around....that seems to have disappeared. That's no longer the case for the prem plus as I am reading here. So even if pax want to spend the $ for it-- the F&B dept isn't purchasing/stocking it. Can be pretty disappointing