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Ohhhh sorry! I see now. Patty

I am seriously bothered for you! So many cruisers got a ship upgrade ~Reflection to Beyond~ at no additional cost as should be...BUT... those booked on the TA's are expected to rebook at an escalated cost. This is so messed up! It's as if they knew airfare could possibly have certain cruisers locked in without a way out. So Sorry but I honestly feel that you've got this and will prevail! Patty

The op has an attached link to the source? Or are you asking for something else? Patty

Thanks to you both. My friends sailing with us don't want to lose their aft bal on Reflection. Patty

Back to pick your brain? What is your best guess for Reflection 2025 since we now see 2024 are the shorter CocoCay runs? I am booked for the ABC's on Reflection Feb 2025. Do you feel I'll be shifted to Beyond like others or they'll keep reflection on the 6/8 rotation? Thanks and I won't hold you accountable for any missed guesses 😁 Patty

https://profcruise.com/celebrity-testing-new-dinner-menus/ This is not for your sailing but is an idea of the new menu rollout. Just as an idea.... Hope this helps, Patty

The menu for your sailing is in the app. But for the most part yes the menus are the same for all sailings. Patty

Sounds logical! For me it doesn't matter but was curious. Patty

Do you think it's possible those RCCL ships may be swapped? Keeping with X ships and RCCL ship pairings on the same day? Patty

Hope you receive better than I have... I've only been bumped for chartered cruises, in my experience I was offered a few other sailing dates/options and the minimal OBC or take a refund. This is what I suspect will follow in your case too but with it being a TA not sure what other sailing dates they'd come up with to be somewhat considered equal. Sorry this happened to you, Patty

You tagged/quoted me and I didn't say I didn't like it! 🤷‍♀️ I just gave another point of view... that is what CC is... a million different opinions. Patty

I've gone back to double check myself. NCL and RCCL are much more than Celebrity with my Feb Southern Caribbean comparison. I was and am still shocked. For $2500 I'd jump on Beyond but I'm not a IV hater so that isn't an issue for me. Patty

You keep posting your version of an economics course, not sure why but okay. The bottom line is that these ship are sailing at full capacity, are being booked with the new younger management you describe and at the higher price points. I am one of them, I have many sailings booked with Celebrity on different class ships with different itineraries. I am also someone who wasn't completely blown away this past Feb on Beyond. In time what you predict might come to be but maybe not, we shall see. For now it appears People Want To Have Fun and are willing to pay for it while eating a burger and paying menu up charges which is what this thread was about. Life is only lived once and for years many lost time and loved ones that they can't get back so the new trajectory imo is that travelers/vacationers are willing to sacrifice in some areas just to Enjoy and Experience life. Just another point of view, Patty

That was my thought... mix it up but in reverse. I've sailed M class out of SJU. LOVE the Southern Caribbean route. At this price point seems like it's not happening. Maybe NCL will have a deal that I'll grab in the next few months. Patty

I went back to reprice and double check myself. Holy Moly! I give the slight edge to Cel for Itinerary but NCL's ship is clearly newer with more dining options. Cel Summit Feb 15th Aft Stateroom $3049. 56 non refund & no perk w/$250 OBC NCL Viva Feb 9th Aft stateroom $5798.20 w/wifi & $50 towards shore excursions. Removed Bev and Grats to make it comparable. and for giggles... RCCL Rhapsody Feb 16th Aft stateroom $3275 no perks I don't consider this itinerary or ship comparable at all. Just for price point knowledge 🤑 Still shocked! Patty

Deal! 😁

Gotcha, I was honestly just curious. Looking to mix it up. I get bored of the Cel entertainment/shows. My original post on this did say "almost apples to apples" and for that price my friend who loves NCL also said go Celebrity. I've sailed the M class ships multiple times and find the pool decks too small but Viva isn't looking any better! I'm leaning towards Beyond 10 day. Patty

I compared aft balcony with Feb dates. I even took screenshots and text them to my friend who likes NCL to see what I was missing, she was equally shocked. I'll do mock booking again later to double check myself.

Beyond is nice ship, I'd be happy with the swap! Patty

Yes out of San Juan. NCL was the Viva, new ship @ $5798 and Cel was the Summit, revolutionized @ $3049 so after OBC it was approx $2400 diff. both aft balconies. Patty

LOVE your humor!!!! You Kill me!!!!! 😂 Patty

Spot on! I priced a Cel & NCL cruise yesterday for a 2025 Southern Caribbean itinerary and NCL was $2400 more. It was almost apples to apples, I was shocked! Patty

Simple fix~ don't order it. I seriously don't understand the uproar over this. The buffet was decimated in January and so many people defended the waste avenue for the change but those same people are now besides themselves over a burger. Not suggesting that it's you, just an overall observation. I don't go on cruises for yoga classes or water aerobics but I don't begrudge those who partake. I am not a fan of soul music but I watched many who do dance their hearts out. Celebrity is changing, there's no stopping it and I actually believe they 100% know what they're doing. This is about moving forward in the industry not staying stuck in the past. I am sure there has been enough research to know what the numbers are for old school cruiser preferences vs the new. The age of those currently booked and at what time those booking took place. They are adapting to what they see coming not what's always been around. I've said before that I believe we are their new target so maybe that's why I'm not nearly as bothered. I actually liked the IV and I don't mind variety and letting different styles evolve. I am happy to see Celebrity visit CoCoCay, hubby loves to play like a child and I enjoy walking off a ship without the barrage of vendors, hunting down a taxi and then having to do the same for our return to ship. We aren't millennials, retired 55 and 59 yrs old so speaking only for myself, it's not just about a number, it's about your desire, young spirit and willingness to embrace something new. To sum it up, in my experience and for most of those reporting here, the MDR food has been meh at best in the past few months so if they can produce a "good" burger, let's have it! Patty

Post #47 I posted a screenshot, this is off Cel site. Patty

Not to be argumentative but how is this port any different than any other in the Caribbean? I've seen 16k in Cozumel and St Maarten in a single day? Those beaches are packed! Honestly looking for your perspective? Patty