cruisieparker Posted February 17, 2018 #1 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Hi Fellow Cruisers, I have read all of the reviews on the different islands that have the best helicopter tours. But what I really want to know is how cold and windy it is on the Doors Off tours. I don't want to be so cold that I can't enjoy the trip, but again I would love to experience the views from the helicopter with as much of an unobstructed view as possible. Can you please give me your opinions based on your own experiences. Thank you so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted February 17, 2018 #2 Share Posted February 17, 2018 In "normal conditions", air temperature drops about 5.5 degs F per 1000 feet of elevation gain. In Hawaii's humid air, I would expect the temps to drop less than that in most circumstances. Bear in mind, your helicopter probably won't go up more that a couple thousand feet with the doors off...higher if it has doors on. Where is the tour for? So, if the temps are in the high 70s, low 80s, you can do the math. We have done both. We wore a light jacket, but shorts, for the doors off trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Flyer Posted February 17, 2018 #3 Share Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) I refreshed my aviation memory & here’s the standard temperature decrease per 1000’: Standard Lapse Rate = -2°C / -3.5°F for each 1000’ increase in altitude I haven’t flown a helicopter with doors off in decades since primary training in the Bell 47 (bubble helicopter like in the MASH series). Based on advertisements I’ve seen only the MD/Hughes helicopters fly with doors off (like in Magnum PI) But as Bruce wrote, it should be comfortable temperatures. Sea level high temperatures are from the upper 70° to lower 90° range and at 3000’ would be about 10° cooler. Although other meteorological conditions can affect the standard lapse rate. Edited February 17, 2018 by Astro Flyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted February 18, 2018 #4 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I refreshed my aviation memory & here’s the standard temperature decrease per 1000’: Standard Lapse Rate = -2°C / -3.5°F for each 1000’ increase in altitude I haven’t flown a helicopter with doors off in decades since primary training in the Bell 47 (bubble helicopter like in the MASH series). Based on advertisements I’ve seen only the MD/Hughes helicopters fly with doors off (like in Magnum PI) But as Bruce wrote, it should be comfortable temperatures. Sea level high temperatures are from the upper 70° to lower 90° range and at 3000’ would be about 10° cooler. Although other meteorological conditions can affect the standard lapse rate. Sources I used to refresh my rather weak weather training was 1-3 degs C...for humid air. From firefighting, we always use the 5.5 degs F to predict things like weather issues like Foehn (Santa Ana for the lay person) winds and the associated heating of those downsloping winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuervosar Posted February 18, 2018 #5 Share Posted February 18, 2018 It gets seriously cold. If you want to do this tour, pack like an Alaska cruise for this excursion. Dress in Layers, down coat, hat, gloves and scarf. Then you should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Flyer Posted February 18, 2018 #6 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Sources I used to refresh my rather weak weather training was 1-3 degs C...for humid air. From firefighting, we always use the 5.5 degs F to predict things like weather issues like Foehn (Santa Ana for the lay person) winds and the associated heating of those downsloping winds. Much better to use the higher number for planning purposes...high, hot & humid diminishes performance. (y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisieparker Posted February 18, 2018 Author #7 Share Posted February 18, 2018 In "normal conditions", air temperature drops about 5.5 degs F per 1000 feet of elevation gain. In Hawaii's humid air, I would expect the temps to drop less than that in most circumstances. Bear in mind, your helicopter probably won't go up more that a couple thousand feet with the doors off...higher if it has doors on. Where is the tour for? So, if the temps are in the high 70s, low 80s, you can do the math. We have done both. We wore a light jacket, but shorts, for the doors off trip. Thank you so much!! We are going on the tour in Kauai in May. Temperature should be 70 probably. So that means maybe 62-65 degrees with the wind blowing right? Brrrrr!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisieparker Posted February 18, 2018 Author #8 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Thank you all so much. Looking forward to it and we really want to do the doors off, but still not sure. Sherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharke Posted February 25, 2018 #9 Share Posted February 25, 2018 We flew an open door helicopter in Kauai several years ago and loved it! I think it was in Sept. We layered a hoodie & jacket. I had some thin gloves. If I remember right the company had waterproof jackets they provided. You might ask your company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmlh Posted February 25, 2018 #10 Share Posted February 25, 2018 We are very interested in taking this tour. Does anyone have any recommendations for a specific company? Thanks. Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruckerDave Posted February 25, 2018 #11 Share Posted February 25, 2018 I guess I must have done a different "doors off" tour then some of you. I did one out of Hilo to the volcano last June and a light jacket was all i needed. I even got seated in the front with the pilot so that was cool getting to look at all the gauges while we flew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sail_TN Posted February 26, 2018 #12 Share Posted February 26, 2018 We did a doors off with Jack Harter Feb 15 on Kauai. Wore long pants, long sleeve tee, and a windbreaker and was comfortable. Not a constant blast of air but definitely some wind. If it’s sunny feels warmer, too. Doors off was great - highly recommend. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisieparker Posted February 28, 2018 Author #13 Share Posted February 28, 2018 Thank you all so much!! I have decided to do the doors off. Looking forward to it! Sherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trish1c Posted March 1, 2018 #14 Share Posted March 1, 2018 It was cold. We all had layers, long pants / jeans, tops & light jackets. Coming from the east coast in winter we had the warm stuff. I was in the middle seat so I was buffered a little plus my adrenaline was going so that alone made me warmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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