kaykels Posted December 9, 2009 #76 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Interesting turn of events for sure. Planning - - research -- follow-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaykels Posted December 9, 2009 #77 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Carnival KNOWS where the Dream can dock and where it can't. Anything can prevent a ship from docking - but it is usually weather or seas. Could be a tidal event' date=' could be anything. Poor planning is not one of the options.[/quote'] always a pleasure to watch you get proved incorrect. hundreds of cruises under your belt don't make you a real authority it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted December 9, 2009 #78 Share Posted December 9, 2009 http://www.caribbeanbusinesspr.com/news03.php?nt_id=38046&ct_id=1 S.J. dock design keeps new cruise ships away I KNEW it was RCCL's fault, those Turkeys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted December 9, 2009 #79 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I KNEW it was RCCL's fault, those Turkeys!LOL.. maybe it was a ploy to keep Carnival ships as far away from their ships as possible while in port.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILov2cruise Posted December 9, 2009 #80 Share Posted December 9, 2009 It could be something as simple as the tide... The folks at New York told Carnival the Dream would fit there, as well... :rolleyes: The Dawn is only 60 feet longer. Sticking out 60 feet has nothing to do with boarding or anything else, plus Carnival could have used the Brooklyn port since that port is leased by Carnival. The Queen docks there and she is almost 200 feet longer than the Dream. Seems like it's always someone elses fault never Carnival. Carnival wanted the glory of sailing out of Manhattan not out of Brooklyn. If the Dream couldn't dock in PR why couldn't they tender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviator of the Seas Posted December 9, 2009 #81 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Thanks for the article. Interesting that the "Industry Sources" say Celebrity Equinox cannot dock there and yet the Celebrity Solstice (same class ship) has been docking there for a year now. Exactly which dock was Dream trying to get to today? This one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusin6 Posted December 9, 2009 #82 Share Posted December 9, 2009 What's wrong with Mexico? :confused: Another blunder for Carnival and the Dream. They've really botched her introduction to the fleet. After reading how they treat the crew (Cruise Confidential) I bet the managers are being treated just as poorly by THEIR bosses!!! It al trickles down from the top...and somebody up there is making poor calls. Carnival Cruise Line who are you hiring to plan these things out?:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted December 9, 2009 #83 Share Posted December 9, 2009 This one: Thanks, AoS. That is the pier the Solstice has been using this year, so it's strange that the article would say the Equinox can't dock there - since they are the same ship. Oh well, it could just be misstatement in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted December 9, 2009 #84 Share Posted December 9, 2009 One more time this prove the bad panning of the RCCL guys.Actually, the pier was there long before the Dream was dreamed up, so that would make it bad ship planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted December 9, 2009 #85 Share Posted December 9, 2009 One more time this prove the bad panning of the RCCL guys. It's RCCL's fault because the Dream couldn't port in San Juan:confused: LMAO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamt Posted December 9, 2009 #86 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Is the Liberty smaller than the Dream?!?!? I'm sailing on her this Saturday and was really excited about San Juan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare xpcdoojk Posted December 9, 2009 #87 Share Posted December 9, 2009 50 to 80% full is good for the passengers. I bet you can make a great last min deal on that cruise. Well, I have been looking for a February cruise, and since I typically sail on RCI, I was looking at 7 day cruises from Florida, and the Oasis is typically about 1000$ more per person as compared to the Freedom class ships on a very similar itinerary. So, I think the 50 to 80% number:rolleyes: is pure Barbara Streisand....:D Paul, I have tendered on HAL most recently with the ships boats at the Falkland islands and they have crew trained to man these boats. If the crew was not trained to handle those boats, I am pretty certain the coast guard would not be very happy to learn this! I have, also, taken ships boats on RCI and Celebrity in the far ago past. In those cases the tenders looked like a typical lifeboat on the ship. IE I couldn't tell the ones used for tendering from the others. :cool: jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted December 9, 2009 #88 Share Posted December 9, 2009 This one: When I began to read this thread, I was wondering if the docking was trying to take place at this odd pier. I have never understood why such a piece of "art" was incorporated into its design. If it is going to be an obstruction to the larger ships that might dock there, why not just remove it. Or, is that too simple of a solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveaaaaa Posted December 9, 2009 #89 Share Posted December 9, 2009 When I began to read this thread, I was wondering if the docking was trying to take place at this odd pier. I have never understood why such a piece of "art" was incorporated into its design. If it is going to be an obstruction to the larger ships that might dock there, why not just remove it. Or, is that too simple of a solution? What if it acting as an exterior truss? Than it would be more than just taking it down. STeve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandCruzer Posted December 9, 2009 #90 Share Posted December 9, 2009 50 to 80% full is good for the passengers. I bet you can make a great last min deal on that cruise. On it's first revenue sailing, Oasis had close to 4900 passengers. 100% capacity (at double occupancy) is 5400 so it was pretty close. RCCL has a history of underselling the first few sailings of a new ship so the crew can get accustomed to the routines, traffic patterns, etc. Prices will continue to be high through Summer 2010 then will come down dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DqALEX Posted December 9, 2009 #91 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Well, I have been looking for a February cruise, and since I typically sail on RCI, I was looking at 7 day cruises from Florida, and the Oasis is typically about 1000$ more per person as compared to the Freedom class ships on a very similar itinerary. So, I think the 50 to 80% number:rolleyes: is pure Barbara Streisand....:D Paul, I have tendered on HAL most recently with the ships boats at the Falkland islands and they have crew trained to man these boats. If the crew was not trained to handle those boats, I am pretty certain the coast guard would not be very happy to learn this! I have, also, taken ships boats on RCI and Celebrity in the far ago past. In those cases the tenders looked like a typical lifeboat on the ship. IE I couldn't tell the ones used for tendering from the others. :cool: jc Barbara Streisand LMAO. I looked too, for january 2011. The Carnival Freedom January 29 is cheeper and has much better ports,and is 8 nights. The Oasis is only 7 nights, an the ports are not as good. But I do want to see the Oasis, but is a matter of price and ports, that add's up to VALUE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJ Posted December 9, 2009 #92 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I just bet that PR PA will put some giant bumpers to keep the ships off further and lengthen the gang planks. Just my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted December 9, 2009 #93 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Actually, the pier was there long before the Dream was dreamed up, so that would make it bad ship planning. As mentioned, San Juan is not a regular port for Dream. It won't be for Oasis, either. RCCL certainly should have known better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviz73 Posted December 9, 2009 #94 Share Posted December 9, 2009 It's RCCL's fault because the Dream couldn't port in San Juan:confused: LMAO!!! from the article.... In the meantime, while Royal Caribbean developed the new port facilities, the cruise industry rapidly evolved into the mega cruise ship business by building larger ships with greater passenger capacity as in the case of Royal Caribbean’s new Oasis of the Seas, set to begin plying Caribbean waters later this month. Even the Oasis of the Seas won’t be able to dock in Puerto Rico because the structure on the dock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted December 9, 2009 #95 Share Posted December 9, 2009 from the article.... In the meantime, while Royal Caribbean developed the new port facilities, the cruise industry rapidly evolved into the mega cruise ship business by building larger ships with greater passenger capacity as in the case of Royal Caribbean’s new Oasis of the Seas, set to begin plying Caribbean waters later this month. Even the Oasis of the Seas won’t be able to dock in Puerto Rico because the structure on the dock. What does that have to do with Carnival:confused: Are you saying the blind is leading the blind:confused::p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPete Posted December 9, 2009 #96 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Even the Oasis of the Seas won’t be able to dock in Puerto Rico because the structure on the dock. Is it supposed to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Mach* Posted December 9, 2009 #97 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Thanks, AoS. That is the pier the Solstice has been using this year, so it's strange that the article would say the Equinox can't dock there - since they are the same ship. Oh well, it could just be misstatement in the article. I just got a chance to get back to this thread and found that we had an answer. It looks like Carnival needed to fall on their sword on this one. They surely are to blame for not investigating more closely. That's quite an attractive structure. It would be a shame to have to tear it down. Does anyone know how high those wings are? Also, I wonder if it was the support structures that go from the tip of the wings down to the dock that were the issue or the wings themselves. Good to hear that most folks are enjoying themselves despite missing the port. By the way, I had to delete a few posts because of copyright infringement but here's the link to the article that was posted: http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff313/mach_man/Dream/Dream267.jpg :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariemorgan Posted December 9, 2009 #98 Share Posted December 9, 2009 What does that have to do with Carnival:confused: Are you saying the blind is leading the blind:confused::p RCCL developed the dock. "The ironic part of this is that the port was actually developed jointly by the government of Puerto Rico and Royal Caribbean.”" "The pier in question, originally built in partnership between Royal Caribbean and the government of Puerto Rico, has been a source of contention between the two entities. Royal Caribbean invested in the improvements and expansion of the port’s facilities, expecting to be reimbursed by the government. In the meantime, while Royal Caribbean developed the new port facilities, the cruise industry rapidly evolved into the mega cruise ship business by building larger ships with greater passenger capacity as in the case of Royal Caribbean’s new Oasis of the Seas, set to begin plying Caribbean waters later this month. Even the Oasis of the Seas won’t be able to dock in Puerto Rico because the structure on the dock." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grumpus Posted December 9, 2009 #99 Share Posted December 9, 2009 As mentioned, San Juan is not a regular port for Dream. It won't be for Oasis, either. RCCL certainly should have known better.What should RCCL should have known exactly? That some day in the future the Carnival Corporation would built a ship that won't fit at the pier? What ever is hitting that wing thing on the pier must really stick out. Celebrity's Solctice class can and has docked there without a problem; RCCL's Freedom class can and does dock there without an issue - both ships larger than the Dream. I don't see how RCCL has an issue with this. I didn't realize SJ wasn't a regular stop though, it's does seem like less of a big deal for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariemorgan Posted December 9, 2009 #100 Share Posted December 9, 2009 What should RCCL should have known exactly? That some day in the future the Carnival Corporation would built a ship that won't fit at the pier? What ever is hitting that wing thing on the pier must really stick out. Celebrity's Solctice class can and has docked there without a problem; RCCL's Freedom class can and does dock there without an issue - both ships larger than the Dream. I don't see how RCCL has an issue with this.. I would have thought they would have developed something that would allow their own ships to dock. The way they designed it even the Oasis cannot dock in San Juan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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