The Fox Posted November 24, 2010 #76 Share Posted November 24, 2010 When are P&O going to start telling the truth The weather forcast for today in sydney was Wednesday: NE 15/25 kts. Thursday: N/NE 10/20 kts tending NE 15/25 kts during the afternoon. Sydney Coast Wednesday: NE 20/30 kts. Thursday: N/NE 20/25 kts tending NE 20/30 kts during the afternoon. or Wednesday: Clear. Winds NE averaging up to 35 km/h decreasing below 30 km/h later in the evening. Cloudy. Isolated showers. Winds E/SE averaging up to 25 km/h. and for thursday well more wind and the forcast for tomorrow is much the same if worse then today and is not going to get any better for at least another week. Thursday: Sunny. Winds N/NE averaging up to 20 km/h becoming NE up to 30 km/h during the afternoon. Low to Moderate. http://weather.smh.com.au/local.jsp http://www.weatherzone.com.au/nsw/sydney/sydney Hi, I have taken my 12 foot tinnie on the harbour in worse conditions than that......gee its scarey if a 70000 ton cruise ship cant handle that....i understand docking could present a minor problem... Col:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thied Posted November 24, 2010 #77 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Hi, I have taken my 12 foot tinnie on the harbour in worse conditions than that......gee its scarey if a 70000 ton cruise ship cant handle that....i understand docking could present a minor problem... Col:o Pacific Jewel was booked departure at 5.45 am today, but still no movement yet and high tide is at 11.16 am today those times are sydney times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am1984 Posted November 24, 2010 #78 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Sydney Ports website now shows the Pacific Jewel departure from Dry Dock at 12 noon Today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cme2c Posted November 24, 2010 #79 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Hi, I have taken my 12 foot tinnie on the harbour in worse conditions than that......gee its scarey if a 70000 ton cruise ship cant handle that....i understand docking could present a minor problem... Col:o The wind is a north easter so I can see how Mrs Macquaries point might be in danger:). However, they have to get it out of there sometime, and as Thied says, the forecast doesn't get any better! Imagine, Captain Cook, after whom the dry dock is named, went around the world on Sail Power. When his ship needed repair , he careened it in in FNQ. Strangely, he missed Sydney Harbour altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiselover53 Posted November 25, 2010 #80 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I am so glad I am not one of those poor people waiting to hear if their cruise is going ahead on Saturday.What excuse are P&O going to use.Perhaps they can hitch a tow behind the Rhapsody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted November 25, 2010 #81 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Ships like Jewel and Dawn are more manouverable the faster they are going. So of course when they are manouvering slowly, they're not as easy to turn quickly. Coming out of dry dock is a slow process, and with the winds gusting, a strong gust will push the ship into the side of the dry dock. Constant wind would probably be ok, but gusting winds would be a problem. And I think that tugs are required for anything over 15 knots for Jewel, so if the wind is gusting over 35 knots that could be too much. Having said that they can't stay in there forever obviously, so I guess they'll move once the gusts settle down. According to the schedule she's only going to an anchorage when she comes out anyway, and then sails from the anchorage at 5.45am tomorrow 26/11, then to Glebe Island, and then to Barangaroo 5 once Sun leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanc61 Posted November 25, 2010 #82 Share Posted November 25, 2010 PJ is still aside at Garden Island and the tug Woona is on the move out of Darling Harbour heading who knows where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiprobbo Posted November 25, 2010 #83 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Reading through the above comments, it seems to me that a fair number of you actually want the next Pacific Jewel cruise to be cancelled just so you can say "told you so" and sustain your belief that there is some hidden agenda which P&O are following. For the person who commented that they have taken their tinnie out is worse wind than on the harbour at the moment - Mate your tinney does not have the windage of a 70,000 tonne cruise liner. To others, backing out of the tight confines of a drydock is not like backing a car out of the garage. If it is too windy then the Captain will make a judgement call based on the advise of the pilot, an taking into consideration the availability of tugs to steady as she goes astern - a ship moving astern at slow speed, or even forward at slow speed, is not at its most manouverable. The captain will not however consider the thoughts of posters here as to whether to move his ship as I am sure he has significantly more experience than the combined wisdom. Folks, all I can say is wake up to yourselves, the ship will move as and when the captain and crew decide it is time, I'm sure you wouldn't want it to hit the side of the dock as it comes out, then again I'm actually sure some of you would! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drelix Posted November 25, 2010 #84 Share Posted November 25, 2010 honestly I would like to see it move and i hope it is ok but i am not rushing it i would rather it go when it is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanc61 Posted November 25, 2010 #85 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Woona has changed direction and gone around Goat island and heading into Mort Bay. no sign off any movement. As for your post shiprobbo: Reading through the above comments, it seems to me that a fair number of you actually want the next Pacific Jewel cruise to be cancelled just so you can say "told you so" and sustain your belief that there is some hidden agenda which P&O are following. I cant see where anyone has made comments of doom, just observations and P&O have not been entirely honest with their replies to some peoples direct questions and not once have they yet confirmed that PJ is OK. I personally want the ship back at sea for the sake of my work colleague who actually commenced her holidays yesterday and is already looking at alternate arrangements just in case; because P&O will not give her an assurance that J036 will go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsydney Posted November 25, 2010 #86 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Sydney Ports website now shows the Pacific Jewel departure from Dry Dock at 12 noon Today. But hasn't happened ... FWIW, latest advice from a P&O operator (from a FB posting) is that it will hopefully be sometime this afternoon (my emphasis) ... not particularly reassuring for pax due to embark on Saturday. Cheers Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandielle Posted November 25, 2010 Author #87 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Riffraff and Shiprobbo, it is wonderful to read your non-judgmental and learned comments. :) I am sure P&O has more to lose than any passengers but they are not stupid enough to take any risks with either passengers or ship. I don't know why people accuse them of not telling the truth. No point in that as 'fibbers' always get found out eventually! :cool: Let's hope all will be OK on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drelix Posted November 25, 2010 #88 Share Posted November 25, 2010 What site are you watching to see if it moved is it http://marinetraffic.com ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsydney Posted November 25, 2010 #89 Share Posted November 25, 2010 What site are you watching to see if it moved is it http://marinetraffic.com ? I'm using the naked eye ... my office is in the MLC Centre so I have been seeing Pacific Jewel every time I look out the windo over the past few weeks. I do have marinetraffic.com in my favourites list though, but I find its updates tend to be a little behind real time. Cheers Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandielle Posted November 25, 2010 Author #90 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Yes Drelix, that's the one and it's also on the Sydney webcam site: http://www.sydney-webcam.com/index.php?nav=shipping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cme2c Posted November 25, 2010 #91 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Firstly, I really REALLY want Jewel to be up, running, shipshape and Bristol fashion. I'm booked to sail on her in a month's time;) Secondly, I looked at the BOM observations for Fort Denison. At 7:00 am (the original time of departure ) winds were 2 km/hr, gusting to 6 km/hr. At 1:00 pm they were 20 km/hr, gusting to 32 km/hr :eek: from NE, that is, almost directly on her beam. Not ideal conditions to move something that has the effective sail area of a Sydney -Hobart fleet at 0.5 kt. (the Pacific Jewel, not the Yachts!) Thirdly, I think lying is too harsh a term. In Sandielle's post yesterday P&O used the term "as soon as we can" . I'm sure that's just what they mean. Unless the winds abate, I can't see anything happening today. John the armchair expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Kruzer Posted November 25, 2010 #92 Share Posted November 25, 2010 You can see the front of the ship from the YHA cam http://www.yha.com.au/hostels/nsw/sydney-surrounds/sydney-harbour/ Is she actually floating in the drydock yet? That might give a clue as to whether she is leaving or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted November 25, 2010 #93 Share Posted November 25, 2010 I personally want the ship back at sea for the sake of my work colleague who actually commenced her holidays yesterday and is already looking at alternate arrangements just in case; because P&O will not give her an assurance that J036 will go ahead. Because they can't. To do that, they need to test the ship, and because they're being help up by the wind, they can't do that yet. That's the reality of the situation. It doesn't appear there is anything to cause doubt, but equally you can't say everything will work when it hasn't been tested yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsydney Posted November 25, 2010 #94 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Is she actually floating in the drydock yet? That might give a clue as to whether she is leaving or not. I would say definitely yes, she is floating and has been for quite a long time ... she is actually very high against the surrounding landscape ... I can see all the windows on deck 6 and part of the windows on deck 5 and that's over the top of the surrounding Garden Island buildings. Wish I had a camera with me. Cheers Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandielle Posted November 25, 2010 Author #95 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Thirdly, I think lying is too harsh a term. In Sandielle's post yesterday P&O used the term "as soon as we can" . I'm sure that's just what they mean. Unless the winds abate, I can't see anything happening today. John the armchair expert. I was referring to a poster asking when P&O will tell the truth! I don't think that was a fair question. If that is not accusing them of lying, what is? It has been obvious to me all along - and I do not profess to be very knowledgeable on these matters - that P&O can't tell for sure whether the cruise will leave on time UNTIL the sea trials have been carried out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am1984 Posted November 25, 2010 #96 Share Posted November 25, 2010 You can see the front of the ship from the YHA cam Is she actually floating in the drydock yet? That might give a clue as to whether she is leaving or not. Towards the end the video posted by P&O earlier this week it shows the dock being filled & the Pacific Jewel floating in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cme2c Posted November 25, 2010 #97 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Sandielle, I may not have put it too well, but I was actually agreeing with you. John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsydney Posted November 25, 2010 #98 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Because they can't. To do that, they need to test the ship, and because they're being help up by the wind, they can't do that yet. That's the reality of the situation. It doesn't appear there is anything to cause doubt, but equally you can't say everything will work when it hasn't been tested yet. Spot on. It's really no different to when your car is repaired ... the mechanic will always take it for a test drive to make sure everything is running properly before he hands it back over to you. And that is what P&O is doing, and until everything checks out, there is a degree of uncertainty about whether PJ will sail on schedule. But there is still plenty of time yet before she needs to be at Barangaroo to pick up passengers. Cheers Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandielle Posted November 25, 2010 Author #99 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Towards the end the video posted by P&O earlier this week it shows the dock being filled & the Pacific Jewel floating in the water. That was good spotting Alan. I didn't notice that before. It's a shame there is no web cam that shows the dock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobsydney Posted November 25, 2010 #100 Share Posted November 25, 2010 That was good spotting Alan. I didn't notice that before. It's a shame there is no web cam that shows the dock. As the dry dock is in a military zone, I am sure there a lots and lots of video surveillence cameras that show the ship and dock ... unfortunately, none of them are public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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