LHP Posted November 8, 2010 #101 Share Posted November 8, 2010 How many Splendor class ships are there in the fleet or worldwide? I am thinking not many. There are already plenty of generators onboard. I know on Miracle there were six diesel generators, with three each on a separate electrical grid. If they have both grids damaged that may explain the 2 knots. Heck, the current is probably pushing them south at that rate. The "Splendor" is the only ship of this class sailing with a Carnival funnel. It is a Costa ship (there are two sister ships I think) with a Carnival funnel stuck on it...which is why it is the only Carnival ship like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambini Posted November 8, 2010 #102 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Yep, this is precisely why if you watch a cruise ship's path they never really stray to far from the coast, if they can. Really? I thought it was because on the coast is where the ports are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Mach* Posted November 8, 2010 #103 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The "Splendor" is the only ship of this class sailing with a Carnival funnel. It is a Costa ship (there are two sister ships I think) with a Carnival funnel stuck on it...which is why it is the only Carnival ship like it. Yep... she was originally supposed to be a Costa Concordia Class vessel but Carnival needed the hull more than Costa... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRZCRAZY Posted November 8, 2010 #104 Share Posted November 8, 2010 They are creeping along at 2 knots, so it will be a VERY long night for alot of passengers.Dave If they are only doing 2 knots, it will take days to get back to Long Beach. I wouldn't doubt they will take it into Ensenada to unload the passengers. Looking at the map it seems the Splendor was about 250 miles or more from LB when this happened. The last time I was on the Splendor we sailed at 18 - 19 knots (18K = 20 mph) and in 13 hours that would be about 250 nm. (more if you convert to miles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty dingo Posted November 8, 2010 #105 Share Posted November 8, 2010 If they are only doing 2 knots, it will take days to get back to Long Beach. They won't be going back to Long Beach. I imagine as soon as they can hook up the tugs they will take her to the nearest suitable port and bus the pax back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Mach* Posted November 8, 2010 #106 Share Posted November 8, 2010 If they are only doing 2 knots, it will take days to get back to Long Beach. I wouldn't doubt they will take it into Ensenada to unload the passengers. Looking at the map it seems the Splendor was about 250 miles or more from LB when this happened. The last time I was on the Splendor we sailed at 18 - 19 knots (18K = 20 mph) and in 13 hours that would be about 250 nm. (more if you convert to miles) Although I don't know for sure I'd guess that the 2 knots was initial motion. The rudders aren't even effective below three knots... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRZCRAZY Posted November 8, 2010 #107 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I agree, I would guess Ensenada - it's in range and they have facilities there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted November 8, 2010 #108 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Don't think so it is crawling @ 2 knots. Minimal electicity at best. 2 knots to me would indicate 1 main generator is running and they are probably trying to get more going, if possible. Usually 1 generator can supply all the electricity the ship needs for lights etc. Looks like there are 6 generators on Splendor, so 5 can supply everything including propulsion and 1 would be a hot spare. If they have only one generator running, they would have 20% power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted November 8, 2010 #109 Share Posted November 8, 2010 They won't be going back to Long Beach. I imagine as soon as they can hook up the tugs they will take her to the nearest suitable port and bus the pax back. I can't even imagine the logistics of trying to coordinate whatever they do, especially if it involves busing 3,000 customers and luggage across a border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted November 8, 2010 #110 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The "Splendor" is the only ship of this class sailing with a Carnival funnel. It is a Costa ship (there are two sister ships I think) with a Carnival funnel stuck on it...which is why it is the only Carnival ship like it. but they are still all based off of the original Destiny design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted November 8, 2010 #111 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I can't even imagine the logistics of trying to coordinate whatever they do, especially if it involves busing 3,000 customers and luggage across a border. They do something similar for Carnival Spirit Hawaii cruises, so they do have experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted November 8, 2010 #112 Share Posted November 8, 2010 They do something similar for Carnival Spirit Hawaii cruises, so they do have experience. True....good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnival Platinum Cruiser Posted November 8, 2010 #113 Share Posted November 8, 2010 2 knots to me would indicate 1 main generator is running and they are probably trying to get more going, if possible. Usually 1 generator can supply all the electricity the ship needs for lights etc. Looks like there are 6 generators on Splendor, so 5 can supply everything including propulsion and 1 would be a hot spare. If they have only one generator running, they would have 20% power. Maybe, or perhaps the 2 knots represent drift speed from the current/wind? That seems likely as at that low of a speed I don't believe steering is possible. It has been 9 hours since the fire was put out so it me it seems unlikely they will get going under her own power. Tugs are enroute and can only push that vessel at a real slow speed. If Ensenada is the destination I would suspect it will take nearly a full day to get there once the tugs are onscene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted November 8, 2010 #114 Share Posted November 8, 2010 If the source for the 2 knots is from the webcam data, then not sure how reliable that is, anyway. It also is giving a heading of 169,74 degrees which is definitely not in the general direction of California and closer to heading South. http://www.zydecocruiser.com/webcams/Carnival/carnivalSplendorWebcams.htm If the winds are really 0 knots, then it is not the wind pushing the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy cajun Posted November 8, 2010 #115 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The price per nauticle mile for the tugs would make me think that if they can't get it going they will go closest port. Alot cheaper to bus 3000 folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffatsea Posted November 8, 2010 #116 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I am certainly glad everyone is safe!! Do you know what happens to the folks who paid for this cruise and then the next couple that are canceled? Do they get to pick another cruise for their same deposit. Do they just lose their money??Wow, what a mess!!:eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRZCRAZY Posted November 8, 2010 #117 Share Posted November 8, 2010 That webcam data is not valid since it hasn't been updated for quite a while. When they lost power all the unnecessary equipment is shut down. Even the AIS ship's data site doesn't show the Splendor since it isn't reporting data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Mach* Posted November 8, 2010 #118 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I am certainly glad everyone is safe!!Do you know what happens to the folks who paid for this cruise and then the next couple that are canceled? Do they get to pick another cruise for their same deposit. Do they just lose their money??Wow, what a mess!!:eek: No, they won't loose their money. Since Carnival will be the one to cancel the cruise the passengers will get full credit for their voyage and I suspect an additional incentive to rebook. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galleygirl Posted November 8, 2010 #119 Share Posted November 8, 2010 John Heald so after a long long day we finally set sail. I am hoping for an incident free cruise but........since being here I cant remember one where something or nsomeone strange hasnt happened. Lets see what this cruise brings. Hope you will join me here and on the blog for another brilliant cruisewywh Oh John it's time to leave California on the first plane to the UK..Thank god your girls left a few weeks back..It all started on your blog from the night you landed @ LAX and wrote your first blog entry titled "Hotel California"....God's Speed to everyone aboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted November 8, 2010 #120 Share Posted November 8, 2010 That webcam data is not valid since it hasn't been updated for quite a while. When they lost power all the unnecessary equipment is shut down. Even the AIS ship's data site doesn't show the Splendor since it isn't reporting data. Perhaps. Amazing coincidence that it shows the 2 knots speed. The ship might well be still drifting in no particular direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazzdaan Posted November 9, 2010 #121 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Heading SSE at 2 kts would be about the direction and speed of the current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancouverdoug Posted November 9, 2010 #122 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Things should get interesting once the ship is within cell phone range of shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_duck Posted November 9, 2010 #123 Share Posted November 9, 2010 They do something similar for Carnival Spirit Hawaii cruises, so they do have experience. That may be true but the Splendor has a lot more passengers and they don't have months to assemble a bus fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM Posted November 9, 2010 #124 Share Posted November 9, 2010 2 cents here from a retired engineer, if the fire got into much of the electrical system the repairs and certifications will take considerable more time than 2-3 weeks. Possible to run into months. Lets hope its a simple fix. As far as tug costs, the ship would have to be moved to dry dock and one could assume that will be in the US. Just glad everyone is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent_Schultz Posted November 9, 2010 #125 Share Posted November 9, 2010 That may be true but the Splendor has a lot more passengers and they don't have months to assemble a bus fleet. That actually may be a bonus considering how screwed up it can be when they do have months to prepare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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