Carnival may not be Walmart of the Seas, but is it Southwest of the Seas?

[hubofhockey]

No cruise ship is American excetp the one doing Hawaii. They are international companies registered in other countries....and they call on US ports.

 

The crew makes good money' date=' room and board is included, vacation every year, good chance for promotions...and, they don't HAVE to work if they don't wish to work..They can quit or not sign up.

 

The Chinese are forced to work...and, there is no minimum age. WalMart has buddied up with the Chinese government to use forced labor, including children and the aged. All to improve their bottom line..

 

WalMart is the worst in our country..... I can understand working there if you need a job or if your skills aren't diverse. It's beyond me why anyone would shop there knowing how the company operates in China.

 

I couldn't sleep at night if I did....[/quote']

 

You are a piece of work Carnival is still a US corporation. Yes, it registers ships in other countries to avoid US laws, mainly those involving fair wages and benefits. To that effect, they treat their workers worse than Wal*Mart. You choose to patronize the cruise industry and look the other way. That is your choice. You don't need to justify it with technicalities. As far as Carnival goes, it is a US corporation with its world headquarters in Florida. But you already know that. As others have pointed out, you probably also know that many of the parts and equipment on Carnival ships are made in China or other countries that you may not be too crazy.

[PAPERBKWRITER]

You are a piece of work Carnival is still a US corporation. Yes, it registers ships in other countries to avoid US laws, mainly those involving fair wages and benefits. To that effect, they treat their workers worse than Wal*Mart. You choose to patronize the cruise industry and look the other way. That is your choice. You don't need to justify it with technicalities. As far as Carnival goes, it is a US corporation with its world headquarters in Florida. But you already know that. As others have pointed out, you probably also know that many of the parts and equipment on Carnival ships are made in China or other countries that you may not be too crazy.

 

Wow, all that snow seems to bring out people's claws. Please don't throw G'ma under the bus, she is meerly voicing her opinion.

[CruzVinnieCruz]

Carnival is not an American business. It simply calls on American ports. They do not hire Americans.

 

As for "getting around" federal laws...well' date=' ALL cruise lines do that. There is only ONE major ship registered in America....the one that cruises Hawaii...NCL owns it, I believe.

 

As for the international crew, they are paid a living wage, working conditions and chance for promotion are very nice, meals and board are included. They have vacation every year...and, they have the option to NOT work on a cruise ship or to leave anytime they wish.

 

There is nothing that can be said in support of WalMarts practices both here and in China... I'm amazed that anyone in our country would patronize them.

 

But, then again, we aren't real interested in the injustice and suffering in parts of our world...especially our global partners. As long as it isn't us, we don't care.[/quote']

 

By all intense and purposes Carnival is an American company based in Miami. If tomorrow Congress would pass a law that cruise ship companies have to be American flagged to sail out of American ports you would see how fast Carnival would be flying the Red White and Blue or face financial ruin. Since 75% of it's business comes from North America. They only take advantage of maritime law to avoid American taxes, our labor laws, and to avoid the American court system.

 

Please do not state just because they flag ships under a foreign flag they are not an American company. It's like saying Delta flies all Airbuses so they are not an American company.

[Cruzaholic41]

They only take advantage of maritime law to avoid American taxes, our labor laws, and to avoid the American court system.

 

Even that's not entirely true. Lawsuits against Carnival are handled in the Southern District of Florida, in Miami. Even on the Criminal side, CCL is not exempt from federal and, even in some cases, state laws.

[CruzVinnieCruz]

Even that's not entirely true. Lawsuits against Carnival are handled in the Southern District of Florida, in Miami. Even on the Criminal side, CCL is not exempt from federal and, even in some cases, state laws.

 

They defiantly avoid the American court system when it comes to workplace disputes by flagging under a foreign carrier. Whether or not the court system is utilized for lawsuits and criminal cases is another matter.