Passenger Space Ratio - is it important?

[sludger]

Wong information there. P&O doesn't have any 30 year old ships.

 

You can prove anything with statistics, anyway.

 

I love the quote that statistics are hard to swallow and impossible to digest. The only one I can ever remember is that if all the people who go to sleep in church were laid end to end they would be a lot more comfortable.

 

Dreadfully sorry about that I should have said the Pacific Sun is only 28 years old, sorry.

 

Mind you I bet 28 years ago with it's then maximum of 1200 pax it was fantastic, it's probably the extra 700 people on board that cause the sewage smell because the plumbing can't handle it.

 

Again Apologies,

Paul

[Kiwi Kruzer]

I will leave the maths to all you brainiacs but space is an issue for me. Now that I have moved onto longer cruisers I pay attention to the public areas...i.e. on a long cruise in a cold climate I felt the Dawn Princess was very crowded and difficult to even find somewhere to sit. Of course on a shorter cruise in warm weather, there would have been younger passengers and more people using the pool areas so it would have felt entirely different.

 

It is annoying that the extra berths crammed into some of our ships have upset the balance.

 

 

And thats why "we" like Diamond Princess:):)

It seems to have all those problems solved.

 

 

[bobhsv]

And thats why "we" like Diamond Princess:):)

It seems to have all those problems solved.

 

 

 

Ditto.:)

[sludger]

And thats why "we" like Diamond Princess:):)

It seems to have all those problems solved.

 

 

 

Only joking, we might have a look at a cruise on the Diamond if it is as good as people say.

 

All that aside this thread has been an absolute education for me and this ratio is one that does actually make sense to me.

I will be checking it before booking my next cruise.

 

Paul

[Kiwi Kruzer]

Only joking, we might have a look at a cruise on the Diamond if it is as good as people say.

All that aside this thread has been an absolute education for me and this ratio is one that does actually make sense to me.

I will be checking it before booking my next cruise.Paul

 

But make sure you only use it as a guide Paul.;)

 

It all comes back to the design and layout of a ship and how the staff choose to use that for the benefit of your cruising experience.

 

I well recall our first cruise on Vision of the Seas. Had a fabulous layout, and it is designed in such a way that as the first show people came out, they met the second sitting people on their way to the show and all had to pass through the Casino. What a buzz. Busy, exciting , vibrant atmosphere.

it helped to make the cruise exciting.:):)

 

[bazzaw]

David

 

"Had a fabulous layout, and it is designed in such a way that as the first show people came out, they met the second sitting people on their way to the show and all had to pass through the Casino. "

 

 

Hmm - that sounds to me more like a design induced "traffic jam" - not something that I would think of as an "exciting buzz" :) Can't imagine what the passengers who were using the Casino as a Casino would have thought about that! :)

 

 

Barry

[Scurvy Dog]

Maths on Sundays..ouch that hurts my brain :( ...I look at the space issue like being at a festival.. a half full festival or boat would be no fun at all :)

[Kiwi Kruzer]

David"Had a fabulous layout, and it is designed in such a way that as the first show people came out, they met the second sitting people on their way to the show and all had to pass through the Casino. "Hmm - that sounds to me more like a design induced "traffic jam" - not something that I would think of as an "exciting buzz" :) Can't imagine what the passengers who were using the Casino as a Casino would have thought about that! :)Barry

 

Perhaps I exaggerated a bit Barry, but a crowd does make for a more "vibrant" atmosphere. When we were on QM2 we went up to the Commodore Club for pre dinner drinks....it was like a morgue. They had a piano player, but there was no else but us to listen and applaud. We then found the lounges nearer the Brittania Dining Room, and it was much more fun. ...provided you were there early enough to get a seat:D

I think there needs to be a balance.

 

 

Maths on Sundays..ouch that hurts my brain :( ...I look at the space issue like being at a festival.. a half full festival or boat would be no fun at all :)

 

As long as there is room for everyone and you are not jammed in.:D

[bazzaw]

David

 

I would have thought that you would have fitted into the Veuve Clicquot Champagne Bar very nicely!! :) We never did get up to the Commodore Club (except early one morning) - we fitted into the Golden Lion pub very nicely. :o But I know what you mean - the pub on Arcadia never really got off the ground for us, whereas Lords Tavern on Oriana did.

 

Do you have anything now booked?

 

 

Barry

[Kiwi Kruzer]

DavidI would have thought that you would have fitted into the Veuve Clicquot Champagne Bar very nicely!! :) We never did get up to the Commodore Club (except early one morning) - we fitted into the Golden Lion pub very nicely. :o But I know what you mean - the pub on Arcadia never really got off the ground for us, whereas Lords Tavern on Oriana did. Do you have anything now booked? Barry

 

Never made it to the Champagne Bar....looked nice and so did the prices:eek:

We enjoyed the Chart Room as it was handy to our dining table, and if it was full we just drifted over to Sir Samuels. Very civilized:D

Liked the Golden Lion too, but it was always full when we got there.

We did intend to go to Veuve Clicquot , but the night we choose it was booked out and a sign said..

Private Function for P&O Booking Staff:rolleyes:

 

Nothing booked at the moment , just watching and waiting for any specials that may come along. :D.

 

 

[bazzaw]

Nothing booked at the moment , just watching and waiting for any specials that may come along.

 

David

 

is it possible for you to PM to me - or email?

 

Barry

[yatchet]

Passenger ratio should be worked out on public FLOOR space.

 

? sq ft divided by the number of passengers.

 

Volume, the space above your head is about as useful as an ash tray on a motor bike.:)

 

However only the designers etc would be able to work out the amount of public floor space.

[Scurvy Dog]

They could work out passenger space by how many times you could swing a cat before hitting a fellow passenger??? :D :rolleyes: :D

[sludger]

As there are now so many of us waiting with baited breath for some more news about passenger space ratios.

Here's how we work out gross tonnage:

 

It is calculated by using the formula : GT=K.V

where V = total volume in m³ and K = a figure from 0.22 up to 0.32, depending on the ship’s size (calculated by :K=0.2+0.02.Log10V ), so that, for a ship of 10,000 m³ total volume, the gross tonnage would be 0.28 x 10,000 = 2,800 GT or 3531.46 GRT. GT is consequently a measure of the overall size of the ship. For a ship of 80,000 m³ total volume the gross tonnage would be 0.2980617 x 80,000 = 23,844.94 GT.

 

Armed with these riveting facts there should be no more arguments about whether you can get to the buffet for breakfast on port days.

If you are still in any doubt just have a lay in and go there later like we do.

 

I will be setting tests later for those that are interested and a first prize is a night out with your old mate Sludge next time you are in Perth.

 

Happy cruising,

Paul

[Scurvy Dog]

So you dont like my cat idea Sludge :(...

 

Fair enough it does not have the mathmatical brilliance that your equation has..I will grant you that..:rolleyes:

 

But I would still like to see my suggestion put into practice..would be cheaper than getting an structual engineer to work the passenger space out..

Also a lot more fun too watch :D..and the money they save they can make cruising cheaper..it's a win win situation :)

 

So I have really solved two problems..But wait there is more good news here..with the added space we save we can all bring either a cat or dog each (I'm not fussy) on the next cruise and they can eat the scraps saving even more space that would have been set aside for rubbish..it could also help with the moral for single traveling passengers as they will have someone to dine with :D

[Kiwi Kruzer]

They could work out passenger space by how many times you could swing a cat before hitting a fellow passenger??? :D :rolleyes: :D

 

No No...

We dont want any cats on board.:eek:

 

They may find out how to get down to the very bottom decks,

where all the chickens are kept,

that lay all the eggs we eat on board,

and are fed off the scraps from people

who pile their plates too high at the buffet

and cant eat it all.:D:D

 

[Scurvy Dog]

Ok can we change it too chickens then??..that way the're not as big as cats to swing and we can fit more people on the cruises then??? :D..

 

Check with Sludge on the mathmatics of this as thats his relm :rolleyes:

 

Or maybe we can all each keep a chicken in our rooms so we can just take the chicken or eggs to meal times depending on what we feel like and how hungry we are..or lonely we may be?? lol

 

It's going to be like Noah's Ark on this cruise..count me in :)

[Kiwi Kruzer]

Ok can we change it too chickens then??..that way the're not as big as cats to swing and we can fit more people on the cruises then??? :D..

 

Check with Sludge on the mathmatics of this as thats his relm :rolleyes:

 

Or maybe we can all each keep a chicken in our rooms so we can just take the chicken or eggs to meal times depending on what we feel like and how hungry we are..or lonely we may be?? lol

 

It's going to be like Noah's Ark on this cruise..count me in :)

 

 

Oh No..

No chickens in the room please.

They all all stay downstairs with the cows that are milked to supply all the daily needs of milk and cream on board.

And did you know that Carnival use their droppings as fuel..

Bet that is not deducted from our cruise fare.:eek:

[Scurvy Dog]

Gawd ok cows then? :D

[Bella cruiser]

Oh No..

No chickens in the room please.

They all all stay downstairs with the cows that are milked to supply all the daily needs of milk and cream on board.

And did you know that Carnival use their droppings as fuel..

Bet that is not deducted from our cruise fare.:eek:

 

Goodness David, what ship is this Noah's Ark:eek::p:D

[Sandielle]

Why are you against cats David????? :confused: I've always believed that ships kept cats to catch the rats!

[Scurvy Dog]

Yeah David stop picking on the poor cats :D lol...Dogs would work better as they will keep the cows in check :rolleyes:

 

You shouldn't complain Bella we are trying to save you money here :)...try and keep up with this mathmatical equation (gawd knows im lost too)..it's all so next time you are cruising and you can swing whichever animal you wish and be assured that you will not injure a fellow cruise goer..:D

[Sandielle]

Put this on the wrong thread, so here it is in the right place.:rolleyes:

 

Well, you'll be able to swing your cats on the balconies! According to "her in charge" Carnival Spirit offers passengers more onboard space.

 

From yesterday's Cruise Weekly:

 

Carnival gets in the Aussie Spirit

 

Carnival Cruise Lines plans to tone down the American aspects of its first Australian-based ship, Carnival Spirit. ALTHOUGH THE TERMS “THRILL SLIDE” AND“splash park” sound suspiciously American,Carnival Cruise Lines (CCL) promises that Carnival Spirit will be “Aussified” by the time it arrives down under next year.

 

The ship will have the steepest, vertical-drop waterslide at sea and a children’s pool area with a “giant soaking water bucket” – fun features never seen before in Australian cruising. For adults, an open-air deck called Serenity will have a child-free pool, spas, sun lounges and a bar. The company has also revealed that tipping will not be required.

 

To be home-ported year-round in Sydney from October 2012, Carnival Spirit is CCL’s first ship to be based outside the US. “We decided to come to Australia because we saw a great fit between the Aussies and the Carnival experience,” CCL’s new Australia-based director, Jennifer Vandekreeke told Cruise Weekly.

“What truly made us comfortable about the decision is the Australians’ respect for quality in terms of dining, accommodation and service,” she added.

 

According to Vandekreeke, Carnival Spirit offers passengers more onboard space.

“Two-thirds of staterooms have their own balconies so you can experience your own expansive views of the Pacific Ocean,” she said.

 

The “Aussification” also includes local cuisine, beer and wine, a cruise director from Sydney, Australian comedians in the comedy club, and Australian dollars as the onboard currency.

[Scurvy Dog]

Sounds great :)...any word on where they are going to put the cats,chickens,cows and dogs? :D..

My only complaint is they havent included any clowns as yet.

 

But seriously this should shake things up a bit in our waters, and I'm sure parents with children will go for this.

 

You might it hard to get me off the slide but :)