MorganMars Posted July 3, 2012 #1076 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Wow! Thanks for the link. Also, was happy to see a new post since the last time I checked this thread was locked. Here is another link with more information: http://www.corriere.it/english/12_luglio_03/fiorenza-sarzanini_c641440a-c52e-11e1-a141-5df29481da70.shtml Fire doors Safety regulations stipulate that watertight doors should remain closed unless permission for them to remain open has been issued by the harbour office. Although Costa has applied for permission, it is not thought to have been granted. The ship’s officers confirm that the doors were open because, as Simone Canessa, who was on the bridge, says in his statement, “this was standard practice during navigation to make it easier for those who were working to come and go”. Recordings from the operations rooms show that the doors were in fact left open. It is no coincidence that forty minutes after impact, Staff Captain Ciro Ambrosio ordered the watertight doors to be shut. The order could not be carried out because the switches were not working, perhaps because the Martec system was out of service. The shouts of officer of the watch Giovanni Iaccarino just after the impact ring dramatically clear: “Water is getting in through the fire doors, water is still getting in through the fire doors”. Regards, MorganMars http://www.news.com.au/world/costa-concordias-black-box-failed/story-fndir2ev-1226416228028 **************** with all the lack of safety controls for costa and this ship. how culpable is the corporation (aka. carnival ) for such cost cutting that basic safety equipment is in dis-repair or out of date? ***************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganMars Posted July 3, 2012 #1077 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Another link http://www.corriere.it/english/12_luglio_03/erika-dellacasa_14a9743c-c52f-11e1-a141-5df29481da70.shtml?fr=box_primopiano where Costa continues to contend that it is all on Schettino. Regards, MorganMars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted July 3, 2012 #1078 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) http://www.news.com.au/world/costa-concordias-black-box-failed/story-fndir2ev-1226416228028 **************** with all the lack of safety controls for costa and this ship. how culpable is the corporation (aka. carnival ) for such cost cutting that basic safety equipment is in dis-repair or out of date? ***************** THE black box on the crashed Italian cruise ship the Costa Concordia was faulty, investigators have been quoted as saying in a new report. The Italian ship, which crashed in January killing 32 people, was sailing with its sealed doors open, unapproved maps and faulty instruments, a newspaper reported yesterday, citing investigators. The black box was also reportedly out of action at the time of the impact, meaning investigators have to rely on a computer that was switched off at 11.36pm and may never be able to piece together the exact events of that night. "The Vdr (Voyage Data Recorder) has broken down for the umpteenth time... The situation is becoming unbearable," Costa Crociere's technical director Pierfrancesco Ferro is quoted as telling a repair firm in an email. Costa Crociere, Europe's biggest cruise operator, defended itself against the charges telling Corriere della Sera: "The black box signalled only an error code which absolutely did not mean that the Vdr apparatus was not working." "There is no law or international convention that means that in a situation like this the ship could not sail." Some of the technical apparatus on board the Costa Concordia had been broken since January 9 - four days before the tragedy on the Italian island of Giglio, the Corriere della Sera said, citing leaked documents from the inquiry. The report quoted a response from ship owner Costa Crociere saying that it was not aware the sealed doors were open, that the maps were the captain's responsibility and that the glitches did not stop the ship from sailing. A court hearing is due on July 21 at which the full results of technical analysis will be revealed. Captain Francesco Schettino and eight others including three executives from Costa Crociere are under investigation. The giant ship hit rocks off Giglio on the night of January 13 with 4229 people from dozens of countries on board. Cpt. Schettino is accused of delaying the evacuation and then abandoning ship before everyone had been rescued. Emails cited by Corriere della Sera showed the ship had been due in for repairs on its technical instruments after it reached port on January 14. An officer on board questioned by investigators also reportedly said sealed doors were open at the time of the impact as "this was a practice used during the navigation to ease the flow of people who were at work." It also said that ensuring the ship was equipped with all the maps required for its route was Cpt. Schettino's responsibility after a cartographer questioned by investigators said that digital maps on board were not authorised. "The ship should have never sailed so close to the coast," the company said. Now that's what I'm talkin about..................:rolleyes: If it walks like a cover up and talks like a cover up, it's probably a cover up. ;) Edited July 3, 2012 by Uniall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocF Posted July 3, 2012 #1079 Share Posted July 3, 2012 This just in from Seatrade Insider: Fincantiere has been awarded the contract to build the 30 watertight steel boxes that will be made into the sponson to help raise the hulk. http://www.seatrade-insider.com/News/News-Headlines/Fincantieri-wins-steelwork-contract-that-s-key-to-Concordia-removal.h It seems as if progress is being made and work is ahead of schedule. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted July 4, 2012 #1080 Share Posted July 4, 2012 We have been lucky enough to be on the Bridge of the Ruby Princess on 2 occasions and both times the Captain was the same English one, I recall being told on both visits that while paper charts were no longer required due to technology that Princess insist that they are carried and are used while the ship is sailing. I find it hard to understand that charts are the responsibility of the Captain to provide them! How come there is no law prohibiting a ship from sailing with faulty instruments ? It is also strange that the watertight doors were not closed below the waterline while Concordia was sailing! assuming of course that when the ship is raised it can be proved that they were not closed! albeit that some likely could not be closed due to damage sustained. Also odd is how the ship went down at the Stern first while heeling over to the Starboard side? maybe aa a result of all the Watertight doors forward of the hole being closed. So Fincantieri are building the boxes, likely the ship will go to one of their yards when raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted July 4, 2012 #1081 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) "Nautical charts have also been in the investigators’ cross-hairs from the start since the ones used are reported not to indicate the shoal on which the Concordia ran aground" Proof that Schettino was telling the Truth over this but we will have to wait for the details from July 21st regarding the Black box details. "The ship should have never sailed so close to the coast," the company said .... but they had approved the route the ship was sailing apart from the Final half mile! if Instruments were faulty then this could account for the ship being the half mile off course. Edited July 4, 2012 by sidari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted July 4, 2012 #1082 Share Posted July 4, 2012 They gave us the Gift of Liberty & Freedom. Now, it's up to us to Preserve & Protect it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keel Haul Posted July 5, 2012 #1083 Share Posted July 5, 2012 They gave us the Gift of Liberty & Freedom.Now, it's up to us to Preserve & Protect it !! Could not agree more UNI, secularism is well worth protecting. Happy Higgs-Boson day.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted July 5, 2012 #1084 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Strange i thought this thread was about the Concordia! ... :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted July 5, 2012 #1085 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Strange i thought this thread was about the Concordia! ... :eek: Yes that's true but once a year, on July 4, we are required to remind our British cousins, wherever we may find them, of why we had to politely tell them the party was over and gently ask them to go home in 1776. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted July 5, 2012 #1086 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Uni ... while old traditions are exactly that .. Old, i still fail to see what this has to do with Costa? unless of course there were Italians fighting with the English in 1776 .... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esprit Posted July 5, 2012 #1087 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Yes that's true but once a year, on July 4, we are required to remind our British cousins, wherever we may find them, of why we had to politely tell them the party was over and gently ask them to go home in 1776. :D The party may have ended but you still and will always speak English. Nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted July 5, 2012 #1088 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Esprit .... :D too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted July 5, 2012 #1089 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Okay, now that we are done with that interruption.... Does anyone know what the crane behind our view of the ship is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted July 5, 2012 #1090 Share Posted July 5, 2012 RB ... The crane looked as though it was near to the rock in the side, so maybe they are working on taking it out, just a guess though on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted July 5, 2012 #1091 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Uni ... while old traditions are exactly that .. Old, i still fail to see what this has to do with Costa? unless of course there were Italians fighting with the English in 1776 .... ;) I has to do with the variances of law from country to country that evolved the patch work quilt that we now know as maritime law. When "Britania ruled the waves" they made maritime law. Eventually, they were eclipsed by the US. Edited July 5, 2012 by Uniall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted July 5, 2012 #1092 Share Posted July 5, 2012 They gave us the Gift of Liberty & Freedom.Now, it's up to us to Preserve & Protect it !! AMEN to that! AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuthlessBoss Posted July 5, 2012 #1093 Share Posted July 5, 2012 RB ... The crane looked as though it was near to the rock in the side, so maybe they are working on taking it out, just a guess though on my part. That's true, it is in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted July 5, 2012 #1094 Share Posted July 5, 2012 :eek: Captain released from house arrest. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/05/judge-lifts-cruise-ship-captain-house-arrest/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Amen to the 4th of July sentiments expressed by Uniall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted July 5, 2012 #1095 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) SB ... that is an interesting development. RB ... looks like part of the ship has been cut away on the side where the crane is working. Edited July 5, 2012 by sidari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted July 5, 2012 #1096 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Sidari, trying to watch for updated reports that explain what info/evidence the Judge has to make this change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted July 5, 2012 #1097 Share Posted July 5, 2012 CNN update on Captain. http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/05/world/europe/italy-cruise-ship-captain/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted July 5, 2012 #1098 Share Posted July 5, 2012 For anyone with Facebook ... www.lastsalute.eu posted a picture today of the rock embedded in the ships hull, they were blowing it up to break it down! now we know why the Crane Barge was on the other side of the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted July 6, 2012 #1099 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Sidari, that explains why we didn't see anything on the *viewing side* of the ship this early morning. With this news, I feel a bit vindicated. I had asked a while back if the rock would have to be broken up to be removed and was made to feel like it was a stupid question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zippercat Posted July 6, 2012 #1100 Share Posted July 6, 2012 The party may have ended but you still and will always speak English. Nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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