A request to non-smoker with allergies to tobacco

[Paul65]

i am thinking correctly, in order to be allergic to something, it must contain a protein....

 

When I said you were not thinking correctly, I was talking about your comment:

 

"but you cannot die from an allergic reaction to it...nope...not possible

otherwise there would be an epi pen....don'tcha think"

 

I still think it's highly unlikely that smoke from a tobacco-based cigarette would be completely free of all proteins from the tobacco. It's not like a cigarette is a carefully controlled incineration of the tobacco. It's just smoldering, and I would be very surprised if the proteins in the tobacco were completely destroyed by that.

[joandian]

Is there such a thing as a "severe allergy" to Cigarette smoke and tobacco without having the same condition to all types of smoke?

 

The mind boggles:rolleyes:

 

Yes there is. I have a severe allergy to cigarette smoke and the stinky after smell of smoke in clothing and in furnishings, which causes anaphylaxis. I go nowhere without a couple of epi-pens. No other type of smoke causes me the same problem. My specialist tells me it is the chemicals the tobacco give off when burnt.

 

I hate cigarette smoke but don't hate the smokers. If I smell it I walk away and find somewhere else to enjoy myself. Do I wish the ships were non smoking? Of course, but it something that I have to deal with and do.

 

Would I complain if someone lit up in a non smoking area. You bet I would, and loudly.

[luvfamvaca]

I am a former smoker, raised in a house of smokers, asthmatic now for many years, cannot stand the smell of smoke nor can I breathe around it …but honestly, the only time I recall smoking on our last cruise was in the casino.

I was too busy enjoying my cruise to care who was doing what and where, if I didn't like something (screaming children, cursing teens/adults, whatever else interrupted my time) I simply left that area and enjoyed my time someplace else. Not really a big deal, it's my vacation, I will relax where ever and whenever I can.

[repo-cruiser]

To the OP I think you are over reacting especially when you know RCCL policy. Other than the overly rude people who smoke in non smoking areas, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

 

As the the banning of a passenger's cigarette amount is silly. RCCL says 2 bottles of wine because there is a possibility of you having an accident or going overboard while being intoxicated. That doesn't have w/ cigarettes and RCCL isn't overly concerned about you getting cancer.

:) Your joking right? They won't let you bring more than 2 on specifically so you have to buy drinks from them. They let me buy plenty of drinks to get completely intoxicated, so weren't they concerned about me going overboard when I bought the drinks from them?

By the way Perfume may stink but you won't get 2nd hand cancer from perfume, but you can from cigs,fact.

[fishtaco]

:) Your joking right? They won't let you bring more than 2 on specifically so you have to buy drinks from them. They let me buy plenty of drinks to get completely intoxicated, so weren't they concerned about me going overboard when I bought the drinks from them?

By the way Perfume may stink but you won't get 2nd hand cancer from perfume, but you can from cigs,fact.

 

What exactly is 2nd hand cancer:confused:

[wingatesl]

Is there such a thing as a "severe allergy" to Cigarette smoke and tobacco without having the same condition to all types of smoke?

 

The mind boggles:rolleyes:

 

No, there is no such thing as an allergy to cigarette smoke.

 

 

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[wingatesl]

All I can say is that the allergist I went to years ago tested several things on me (using a skin test) and told me that one of the things I was allergic to was cigarette smoke. I didn't argue with him.

 

But, I suppose, if you believe that all the proteins in tobacco are 100% destroyed in the smoking process, with no traces remaining in the smoke, you could be right that it cannot cause an allergic response.

 

How exactly would you be exposed to those proteins in the tobacco?

 

 

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[wingatesl]

When I said you were not thinking correctly, I was talking about your comment:

 

"but you cannot die from an allergic reaction to it...nope...not possible

otherwise there would be an epi pen....don'tcha think"

 

I still think it's highly unlikely that smoke from a tobacco-based cigarette would be completely free of all proteins from the tobacco. It's not like a cigarette is a carefully controlled incineration of the tobacco. It's just smoldering, and I would be very surprised if the proteins in the tobacco were completely destroyed by that.

 

Even in its smoldering state, it exceeds 500C the proteins are destroyed.

 

 

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[fishtaco]

Yes there is. I have a severe allergy to cigarette smoke and the stinky after smell of smoke in clothing and in furnishings, which causes anaphylaxis. I go nowhere without a couple of epi-pens. No other type of smoke causes me the same problem. My specialist tells me it is the chemicals the tobacco give off when burnt.

 

I hate cigarette smoke but don't hate the smokers. If I smell it I walk away and find somewhere else to enjoy myself. Do I wish the ships were non smoking? Of course, but it something that I have to deal with and do.

 

Would I complain if someone lit up in a non smoking area. You bet I would, and loudly.

 

Is this a recent thing for you?

 

If you are not extremely young and it is not a recent condition how did you get by when a much larger percentage of people smoked and smoked everywhere?

 

I am a new non smoker and by only just over 3 months,I now do not like the smell its awful but I doubt very much you can be allergic to cigarette smoke and its smell without being allergic to other types of smoke!

 

How many first ever time smokers die from anaphylaxis shock because it was unknown they were allergic to cigarette smoke:confused:

 

This would be a much more serious health risk compared to a prolonged exposure health risks and never mentioned by world health experts as an immediate danger of smoking cigarettes? They warn of this with other drugs?

 

You could be part of the test case for abolishing tobacco and tobacco products due to its previous un known fact of being an immediate danger to human life.

[Paul65]

Even in its smoldering state, it exceeds 500C the proteins are destroyed.

 

 

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That sounds like a convenient assumption.

[joandian]

Is this a recent thing for you?

 

If you are not extremely young and it is not a recent condition how did you get by when a much larger percentage of people smoked and smoked everywhere?

 

I am a new non smoker and by only just over 3 months,I now do not like the smell its awful but I doubt very much you can be allergic to cigarette smoke and its smell without being allergic to other types of smoke!

 

How many first ever time smokers die from anaphylaxis shock because it was unknown they were allergic to cigarette smoke:confused:

 

This would be a much more serious health risk compared to a prolonged exposure health risks and never mentioned by world health experts as an immediate danger of smoking cigarettes? They warn of this with other drugs?

 

You could be part of the test case for abolishing tobacco and tobacco products due to its previous un known fact of being an immediate danger to human life.

 

I've always been sensitive but the anaphylaxis started about 7 years ago. I know I'm not alone and know of at least two other person with the same complaint one of whom is also treated by my specialist.

 

I have been at BBQs and other places where there was regular smoke and it does give me sinus, but not the anaphylactic reaction that cigarette smoke does.

[Captain Jake]

No, there is no such thing as an allergy to cigarette smoke.

 

 

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kinda of a foolish statement on your part.

Actualy some people have reactions when the tar is placed on their skin by alergist .

:cj

[megessey]

I know this is a side point, but I just wanted to address this:

 

Celebrity is not the Ritz Carlton, and their prices are right on par with RCCL's if not an actual bargain sometimes. Would definitely recommend the OP check it out. Smoking is rare on Celebrity cruises.

[OCruisers]

Oh good, another smoking thread.

 

:D Pass the popcorn please!

 

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[PropsR4boats]

Oh good, another smoking thread.

 

Mmmmm.... nothing like a piece of good smoked salmon!

 

:D Pass the popcorn please!

 

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I'll pass the bowl, but there ain't no popcorn in it! (if ya catch my drift...) ;-) j/k

[Gig103]

I went on to tell them if someone had a severe peanut allergy or food allergy and they asked you not to open your peanuts you would do anything within reason to help them.

 

Not necessarily -- I don't even like peanuts but if I was eating some in a bar, and you chose to sit next to me, I wouldn't stop.

 

I can't stand cigarette smoke so I avoid places that have it - You NEED to try Celebrity; it's Heaven to not have smokers in the casino, the lounges, or on the balcony forward of you, etc. It's the 'upscale' RCCL line too so if you are Platinum or Diamond you get reciprocal status in Captain's Club.

[ck53]

No I am not joking! That was why they banned bring your own alcohol (2 bottles wine) for a while and you could't buy a bar set up for your room. You are right and they will sell you just about all you want over the bar, makes no sense but that was the excuse they were using and it also had to do w/ underage drinking.Remember the drunk teenage girl who was throwing up off the balcony and fell overboard, sad story but I believe that started the ban.

[luckyprincess]

i have never found a site yet that says you can be allergic to cigarette smoke, you can be sensitive, you can be extremely sensitive, it can cause allergy like symptoms....but you can't be allergic

i am not saying this to knock those that are sensitive, but get your wording, symptoms, diseases right.

smoke may cause you distress, but you cannot die from an allergic reaction to it...nope...not possible

otherwise there would be an epi pen....don'tcha think

i gave up tobacco a while ago so this isn't a anti non smoker rant, just quit exaggerating,

just saying you are severely sensitive to it is dramatic enough

 

exactly, people that say they have severe, life threatening allergies to cig smoke are misinformed by their 'doctors'. They have a sensitivity. If not, they could simply pop an allergy med or shots for their cruise. If not, and it is life threatening they would be prescribed an epi-pen.

[luckyprincess]

That sounds like a convenient assumption.

 

If by convenient you mean scientific...

[Paul65]

If by convenient you mean scientific...

 

 

No, not scientific at all, unless there is some associated data to demonstrate it. Even industrial flares, operating at temperatures much higher than that and specifically designed to efficiently destroy organic compounds that are vented to them, are not 100% efficient at destroying those compounds. I know a bit about that, as I work in the chemical industry. Though I'm not an expert on tobacco and cigarettes, I'd be very surprised if a smoldering cigarette were so efficient at destroying any proteins in the tobacco that there were not traces left in the smoke.

 

But, again, to answer your specific comment, it is not scientific, if there is no data to back it up. It is merely someone's assumption.

[stones902]

My .02 cents as a cigar smoker.

 

I do enjoy a cigar up on deck, on the properly designated side of the ship. Also, I will admit to enjoying a cigar out on our balcony during the evening.

 

A couple of times, I have been at the Skybar, enjoying my cigar (on the correct side of the bar) when I have been politely asked to move or put it out because someone was bothered by the smoke. I did so out of courtesy because I was asked nicely even though I wasn't doing anything wrong or against the rules. Nobody has ever said anything to me on the balcony although I would certainly give them the same courtesy.

 

To me it is a matter of courtesy on both sides. The cigar (or cigarette) smoke isn't for everyone and I get that. My thing is that if it is a bother to someone, there is a nice way to approach the smoker about the problem.

[Paul65]

My .02 cents as a cigar smoker.

 

I do enjoy a cigar up on deck, on the properly designated side of the ship. Also, I will admit to enjoying a cigar out on our balcony during the evening.

 

A couple of times, I have been at the Skybar, enjoying my cigar (on the correct side of the bar) when I have been politely asked to move or put it out because someone was bothered by the smoke. I did so out of courtesy because I was asked nicely even though I wasn't doing anything wrong or against the rules. Nobody has ever said anything to me on the balcony although I would certainly give them the same courtesy.

 

To me it is a matter of courtesy on both sides. The cigar (or cigarette) smoke isn't for everyone and I get that. My thing is that if it is a bother to someone, there is a nice way to approach the smoker about the problem.

 

If you were on Royal Caribbean, you were doing something wrong, as cigar and pipe smoking is supposed to be restricted to the designated cigar lounge.

[samj80]

I've always been sensitive but the anaphylaxis started about 7 years ago. I know I'm not alone and know of at least two other person with the same complaint one of whom is also treated by my specialist.

 

I have been at BBQs and other places where there was regular smoke and it does give me sinus, but not the anaphylactic reaction that cigarette smoke does.

 

Do you carry Epinephrine? Have you had trouble getting it on-board?

[PattyG12]

Has anyone noticed that OP has been gone for several pages?:D

[Cigar King]

Has anyone noticed that OP has been gone for several pages?:D

 

Of course s/he has left...with all these smokers around here the allergies have kicked into high gear. ;-)