chi-esq Posted February 14, 2013 #4826 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Some things to consider... - Our troops in Afghanistan regularly go on patrols of 7 - 10 days or longer with no hot food or showers. -...... Thank you for recognizing the service of our troops. My son has served in many difficult places with the Navy Seals. But our troops are trained for their missions, physically and mentally. In some case, they are chosen for their intrinsic abilities to deal with the stresses of deprivation and danger. It is very unfair to somehow diminish what these people are enduring by trying to equate apples and oranges. There are elderly, children,people in not the best health on that ship. They signed up for a vacation, not a tour of duty in the military. They did not have physicals and tests prior to boarding to as ertain their fitness for hardship. What purpose does it serve some here to try to diminish what they are experiencing with comparisons or criticisms or, in many cases, snark? If the intent is to "help" Carnival....think again. If I were one these passengers and read this thread,NOTHING would incite me to sue faster than some of these comments demeaning what I endured or making light of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcaCandy Posted February 14, 2013 #4827 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Ch3 in Pensacola had a Maritime Atty on this morning with the whole Carnival 12 page contract you sign. He said that its been proven in court, more than once, that bascially the only way they are libel for anything would be personal injury due to their negligence. Duress and mental anguish have never held up in court. Actually they dont even have to, by law, or contract, refund your trip money.I think the same has already been mentioned on here. I was more amazed at the 12 page contract. I have never seen it, but guess its available. Again I'm not a lawyer...... billd Finally, a voice of reason in this lawsuit crazy world……….someone with a FB page already contacted a lawyer two days ago……was told the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lylone Posted February 14, 2013 #4828 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Clark Howard says no lawsuits. I'll be curious to see if he's right. being from Atlanta...I don't trust everything the guy says. If there is sewage on the floors and dripping down the walls, then why isn't there more people on deck? I don't think I would be indoors to smell that stench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishin' musician Posted February 14, 2013 #4829 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Note to self.... Do not use stateroom ice bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbiecruiser Posted February 14, 2013 #4830 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Clark Howard explaining the contracts. Also explained that Carnival is getting a commercial that they don't want. The maritime attorney's will push legal action and they won't win but one thing that it will do is bring more attention to this situation. Another passenger stating that until the Coast Guard boarded the ship was a mess and just blasted Carnival for taking the ship out with known problems. You go girl!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caronrick Posted February 14, 2013 #4831 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Understand, this is speculation and has not been confirmed! I spoke to my wife once again and she told me something that shocked me! This is how the conversation went: Wife: "Did the news report about a fatality?" Me: "No, did someone die on board?" Wife: "One of the crew members said an elderly women had an aneurism and passed away." Me: "Are you serious, nobody has heard anything about it!" Wife: "The crew member told us and we've heard it from some other people, I was just wondering if the news said anything?" Again, this is speculation and has not been confirmed! I'm just trying to give all the information I'm getting from my wife other than the personal stuff we've discussed! Thanks for sharing what your wife has said! :D If someone has actually died they have my sincerest condolances, but to diagnose an aneurism is difficult under most conditions. From what I have read about the last few days, I would believe this to be extremely difficult. I hope that this is just propogation of an unfounded rumor and is proven to be a falsehood. :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berryberry Posted February 14, 2013 #4832 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Riveting interview now on CNN from passenegr describing horrific conditions, mental anguish and Carnival not trying to whitewash things and clean things up as much as possible before the ship docks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPete Posted February 14, 2013 #4833 Share Posted February 14, 2013 While Im sure they arent really "enjoying themselves" SOME people make the BEST of any thing that is thrown their way. A concept that is completely lost to some of you in this thread. Maybe hour 1, 5, 10 or 20. But add hunger, lack of sleep, heat and cold, odd and repulsive smells, it starts to wear thin. I know I was in my own home for 5 days without power after Sandy hit. It gets old real quick, and I didn't have to share that with 2999 others. But I didn't have to use a plastic bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsmeeker Posted February 14, 2013 #4834 Share Posted February 14, 2013 new tow line connected. ship moving again. heading into the channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nieciez Posted February 14, 2013 #4835 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Can't watch CNN live at work as the Verizon link isn't working; hopefully they'll post the pics on their site. I got flamed for saying it'd be difficult if not impossible to sue the cruise line over this because of their contract (which no one bothers to read, but I did) so I'm leaving that one alone! I agree with you but anyone can file a suit, there is just no way to win LOL due to the passenger contract. And I thought I read back during the Concordia that the settlements for that were pretty low all things considered in that case..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTFF Posted February 14, 2013 #4836 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Just got of the phone with my wife who is onboard. She tells me she injured her back when she slipped on a wet deck/floor and is in pain. Now if that was not bad enough, she watched another woman passenger who was more seriously injured, refused treatment by the staff because she would not sign paperwork they wanter her to sign which would require her to pay for services. Now for you "cheerleader" types or the ones who think this is unrelialble information....You can take this to the Bank Bub! My wife and I have no reason whatsoever to fabricate or lie about any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPete Posted February 14, 2013 #4837 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Why do you not have any Carnival cruises on your list? She hasn't taken one. I haven't sailed Costa, but I joined right in on the Concordia conversations last year. And right on threads that were started on the Carnival board, and made their way over there. Same thing happened with RCCL. Thread came over here and was merged. And now all cruisers can join the convo!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelin' Nauti' Posted February 14, 2013 #4838 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Tow line snapped, :eek: Crew is repairing it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berryberry Posted February 14, 2013 #4839 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Live video on CNN now of sewage running down the walls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelin' Nauti' Posted February 14, 2013 #4840 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Passengers may not leave till tomorrow morning :eek::eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSUNole Posted February 14, 2013 #4841 Share Posted February 14, 2013 One thing is clear in this whole mess. The cruise industry (not just CCL) is not prepared to handle these situations when they occur on ships with all these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylenyc Posted February 14, 2013 #4842 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Just got of the phone with my wife who is onboard. She tells me she injured her back when she slipped on a wet deck/floor and is in pain. Now if that was not bad enough, she watched another woman passenger who was more seriously injured, refused treatment by the staff because she would not sign paperwork they wanter her to sign which would require her to pay for services. Now for you "cheerleader" types or the ones who think this is unrelialble information....You can take this to the Bank Bub! My wife and I have no reason whatsoever to fabricate or lie about any of this. Very sorry to hear that. Hope she's not seriously injured. :( CNN live interview with passenger also feeding CNN live video of the sewage that's run down the walls. Passenger recounted hearing what sounded like rain in the elevators. Also recounted two passengers slipping and breaking their hips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berryberry Posted February 14, 2013 #4843 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Just got of the phone with my wife who is onboard. She tells me she injured her back when she slipped on a wet deck/floor and is in pain. Now if that was not bad enough, she watched another woman passenger who was more seriously injured, refused treatment by the staff because she would not sign paperwork they wanter her to sign which would require her to pay for services. Now for you "cheerleader" types or the ones who think this is unrelialble information....You can take this to the Bank Bub! My wife and I have no reason whatsoever to fabricate or lie about any of this. So sorry to hear that As CNN was speaking with a passenger onboard who sent them video of sewage running down the walls, he mentioned he saw several people slip and fall and two elderly woman break their hips So sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seago2 Posted February 14, 2013 #4844 Share Posted February 14, 2013 First video of the sewage coming down the walls. I see LOL mentioned below and I assume someone besides me is a maritime atty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikalsen Posted February 14, 2013 #4845 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Just got of the phone with my wife who is onboard. She tells me she injured her back when she slipped on a wet deck/floor and is in pain. Now if that was not bad enough, she watched another woman passenger who was more seriously injured, refused treatment by the staff because she would not sign paperwork they wanter her to sign which would require her to pay for services. Now for you "cheerleader" types or the ones who think this is unrelialble information....You can take this to the Bank Bub! My wife and I have no reason whatsoever to fabricate or lie about any of this. so sorry about your wife. I hope she can get help from the triage service that was hopefully set up in Mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisenFunToo Posted February 14, 2013 #4846 Share Posted February 14, 2013 From the Port Authority the ship needs to make it inside of the bay before 6pm or it will need to wait for sun up. They are currently about 8 miles from the point they have 3 hours to make. It will be very close if they can make this point due to some of the turns they are going to have to make and the time needed to do that. Lets hope for everyone on board they make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewiee Posted February 14, 2013 #4847 Share Posted February 14, 2013 NTFF Carnival has already said they were waiving all charges except Gift Shop Purchases/Casino Charges.... I am sure the forms are "Standard" and include mentions for charges... but are you sure they are trying to force them to pay, or sign normal medical type paperwork that includes language about financial responsability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbennett Posted February 14, 2013 #4848 Share Posted February 14, 2013 contracts are not 100 percent impervious to compensation. In a legal sense they are not worth the paper they are written on, and secondly, they are only designed to scare off the weak, the smart know better. All maritime lawsuits must be filed in Florida, all of them, and as such Florida has very specific procedures in the cruise industry's favor such as burden of proof, time to file, etc. Point being that if they are speaking with an average personal injury lawyer about so called iron clad contracts, and not a Florida law expert that is about as useful as consulting a dentist for appendicitis. And most importantly bad lawyers respect contracts. Good lawyers find loopholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysticks1 Posted February 14, 2013 #4849 Share Posted February 14, 2013 If anyone is interested this is the link for our local Mobile NBC station. They have had a live feed all afternoon. It has recently switched to a shot of the cruise terminal and it appears they are getting ready for a press conference. All of the tv stations have been setting up microphones and some of them are live so it should start soon. http://www.local15tv.com/content/livestream/default/Carnival-Triumph-Making-its-Way-To-Mobile/iAebEeXnhUyKqbAckjeFNQ.cspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbgd Posted February 14, 2013 #4850 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Im just remembering why I dislike watching the News Everything is so sensationalized The one reporter that had never been on a cruise has no clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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