Inside Edition - Woman Falls Off a Carnival Cruise ship

[skittl1321]

Captain Schettino of the Concordia did right into a lifeboat.

 

That ship was signifigantly listed :)

[xitappers2bx]

They came back, found her, rescued her, and she's suing them? Guess it takes all kinds to make a world. I love the way the lawyer says it's not about her making poor choices.

 

well who cares about some personal responsibility?

 

if there's anyway to make a quick buck, why not exploit your own stupidity and make it someone else's fault?

 

i'm in law school, and its scumbag lawyers like that who make the rest of us busting our butts for this degree look bad.

[Notaworryintheworld]

well who cares about some personal responsibility?

 

if there's anyway to make a quick buck, why not exploit your own stupidity and make it someone else's fault?

 

i'm in law school, and its scumbag lawyers like that who make the rest of us busting our butts for this degree look bad.

 

See if you still feel that way when you get out and can't find a job and have all your student loans to pay off.

[DirtyDawg]

And what does that have to do with the passenger's lawsuit against Carnival?

 

 

The legal analysis of a valid claim doesn't begin with damages. The analysis begins with an understanding of tort and contract causes of action. The very first thing my torts professor told us was that there isn't a legal remedy for every harm that can come to you, that remedies are limited to cognizable claims at law.

 

The captain of a ship has a duty and responsibility to the passengers on board that ship, to do the job he's been paid to do in a safe manner.

 

A passenger who jumps or falls into the water and has to be rescued does not have a legal obligation to the other passengers which would allow them to sue her.

 

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Songbird, why even bother replying. It's like herding cats.;):rolleyes:

[mrsdoc3]

The plaintiff will argue that she was too drunk to take personal responsibility.

 

Don't laugh too hard, I've see a slight variation of that very argument. Rental car companies have a clause in the rental contract regarding drunk driving. I've seen lawyers argue that the person was too drunk to know that they were drunk, thus the clause should not apply.

 

 

Or those boys who killed their parents and then asked for mercy from the court because they were orphans.

[Keel Haul]

And what does that have to do with the passenger's lawsuit against Carnival?

 

 

The legal analysis of a valid claim doesn't begin with damages. The analysis begins with an understanding of tort and contract causes of action. The very first thing my torts professor told us was that there isn't a legal remedy for every harm that can come to you, that remedies are limited to cognizable claims at law.

 

The captain of a ship has a duty and responsibility to the passengers on board that ship, to do the job he's been paid to do in a safe manner.

 

A passenger who jumps or falls into the water and has to be rescued does not have a legal obligation to the other passengers which would allow them to sue her.

 

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do you understand tongue in cheek, I think the pax who suffered the detour should sue carnival for employing a master who did his duty.

My question to you is, will your opinion or that of others have any impact on the result of this case?

[DirtyDawg]

do you understand tongue in cheek, I think the pax who suffered the detour should sue carnival for employing a master who did his duty.

My question to you is, will your opinion or that of others have any impact on the result of this case?

 

I think CC needs special fonts for tongue in check and another for sarcasm.

[Keel Haul]

I think CC needs special fonts for tongue in check and another for sarcasm.

its difficult when you employ both in the same post.Would you agree DD that its a very pleasant pastime watching ego's being preened, and when two or more clash its nectar.

[luddite]

Or those boys who killed their parents and then asked for mercy from the court because they were orphans.

 

Oh yeah! Truly the epitome of chutzpah!

[babyher]

It's time to follow the example of many sport fishermen - Catch and Release. Just throw her back. She's not a keeper.

 

Cheers!

 

 

Hell God knows she can drink like a fish , lets see if she can swim like one .

[DirtyDawg]

its difficult when you employ both in the same post.would you agree dd that its a very pleasant pastime watching ego's being preened, and when two or more clash its nectar.

 

Love it!

[mickide]

Hell God knows she can drink like a fish , lets see if she can swim like one .

 

Why am I not surprised? LOL

[babyher]

Why am I not surprised? LOL

 

 

 

 

 

HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY How are ya :)

[mickide]

HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY How are ya :)

 

I'm good! Was missing my CC bad boy so had to stalk you again. I must say though, this thread is rather amusing! I can put away the drinks but I stay away from the balcony during those times LOL.

I replied to you on another one a couple of weeks ago, I did a tattoo photo shoot, wanted to show you! If you kept my email, send me a quick one and I'll send you one :).

[babyher]

I'm good! Was missing my CC bad boy so had to stalk you again. I must say though, this thread is rather amusing! I can put away the drinks but I stay away from the balcony during those times LOL.

I replied to you on another one a couple of weeks ago, I did a tattoo photo shoot, wanted to show you! If you kept my email, send me a quick one and I'll send you one :).

 

would love to see it ...Still have your e mail , will have to send you a note tonight. I am at work and we can't access our e mail hear Go figure we can't e mail but I can chat on cruise Critic.

[babyher]

I'm good! Was missing my CC bad boy so had to stalk you again. I must say though, this thread is rather amusing! I can put away the drinks but I stay away from the balcony during those times LOL.

I replied to you on another one a couple of weeks ago, I did a tattoo photo shoot, wanted to show you! If you kept my email, send me a quick one and I'll send you one :).

 

 

 

 

Yea alcohol and balconies don't always mix :)

 

 

So how is my favorite stalker been? :)

[Cuizer2]

Captain Olav on RCCL's Explorer of the Seas said at the Captain's Corner that NOBODY falls overboard. They are either thrown in, or they jump. People don't just fall!

 

Captain Schettino of the Concordia did right into a lifeboat.

 

Good point.

[Cuizer2]

And what does that have to do with the passenger's lawsuit against Carnival?

 

 

The legal analysis of a valid claim doesn't begin with damages. The analysis begins with an understanding of tort and contract causes of action. The very first thing my torts professor told us was that there isn't a legal remedy for every harm that can come to you, that remedies are limited to cognizable claims at law.

 

The captain of a ship has a duty and responsibility to the passengers on board that ship, to do the job he's been paid to do in a safe manner.

 

A passenger who jumps or falls into the water and has to be rescued does not have a legal obligation to the other passengers which would allow them to sue her.

 

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But, if the captain has a legal obligation to the passengers on the ship, and the passenger is no longer on the ship, does the captain still have a legal obligation to that former passenger?

[songbird1329]

But, if the captain has a legal obligation to the passengers on the ship, and the passenger is no longer on the ship, does the captain still have a legal obligation to that former passenger?

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

 

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[Cuizer2]

:rolleyes:

 

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At least you recognized the use of a sarcasm font. :)

[mickide]

Yea alcohol and balconies don't always mix :)

 

 

So how is my favorite stalker been? :)

 

I've been wonderful, the weather is gorgeous lately and that always keeps me happy!

And you?

[Stilles]

I was on the Destiny on the October first sailing and this did not happen on my cruise. This woman and the lawyer suing Carnival over this are the bane of human existance.

 

I drank too much, my drunk ass feel off of the cruise ship from my balcony. It's Carnivals fault for making me drink more booze because they offered me casino coupons. Come on really? Holy hell this type of stuff drives me into such a deep dark pit of despair about the human race as a whole.

 

Jesus woman take responsibility for your actions. No one forced you to drink to much. You got drunk, you fell, you got rescued. Be glad they saved your sorry ass. Next cruise you go on make sure to take your lawyer with you and drink twice as much and do the world a favor...

[Cuizer2]

Cruise ship accidents prompt questions: How do people fall off? And why?

 

When no one is around to witness a passenger descend from a floating city and disappear into the darkness, we're left to our assumptions.

 

Since 2000, the highest number of incidents reported came in 2006, when 22 people went overboard. But 12 million people cruised that year. That means roughly one of every 545,454 people who cruised in 2006 wound up in the drink. Not an astonishing safety hazard.

 

But if you consider that one of those reports was about a family with four children who returned from vacation with only three...

 

Or that one was about a man who returned from a Christmas cruise without his wife...

 

How do you fall off a cruise ship?

 

"It is virtually impossible for a guest to simply fall off a cruise ship," says Carnival Cruise Lines spokesman Vance Gulliksen in an e-mail.

Practically, falling overboard is a challenge. It would involve climbing or jumping or the right kind of momentum.

Carnival Cruise Lines' ships have 44-inch high railings and warning signs, says Gulliksen. They have uniformed security patrolling 24 hours a day.

 

Even cruise critics agree it's not easy. "Nine times out of 10, the person did something dumb," said Charles Lipcon, a Miami attorney and author of Unsafe on the High Seas: Your Guide to a Safer Cruise.

 

Lipcon has litigated a few where people have fallen overboard, including one in which a woman went missing and her purse was found on the deck and a security camera had been covered.

 

"They're very difficult cases," he said. "You need to prove that the cruise lines have violated some duty. And normally they don't. You can't keep people from doing dumb things. The ships aren't made out of rubber."

 

There are trends in these incidents.

 

Some are suicides. Couples fight, and then one jumps in an I'll-show-you kind of way. Some elderly couples have decided to leave the world together, a last hurrah on the high seas.

Alcohol is fuel. Critics say alcohol sales are a big moneymaker for cruise lines, so they have a tendency to overserve.

"It's drink and drink and drink," says Charles Harris, former chief of security for Carnival who has become an outspoken critic of cruise industry secrecy.

 

"We'll take your money, and if you fall overboard, we don't worry about it." (Carnival's Gulliksen says employees are trained to refuse service to intoxicated guests.)

 

Then there are the mysteries.

 

No notes. No suicidal tendencies. No heavy intoxication.

 

They fall or jump or stumble or are pushed, and no one is there to see, and the Coast Guard searches and the news breaks and we try to solve the puzzle on steadier shores.

 

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1841547

[Tiggertastic]

So why did the journalist need to get into the water in the dark and report how dark it was - was that really necessary? I get it, it's dark.

[Keel Haul]

At least it didn't break down before it got to her.

What a fragrant one liner, bravo!!!