18 year old senior in teen club?

[QTPieRye]

Yeah, you know I keep meaning to change it...but I use tapatalk and I think I have to be on a computer and I always forget!

 

Since 99% of the population believes it is a Mark Twain quote.... I would leave it. Besides, there's always one in every crowd that wants to do nothing but start a fight :)

[Havingfun2010]

So is your position on the original topic that the day the teen turns 18 they should no longer be with their peers and move to the nightclub? The question was about 18 year old SENIORS in the teen club not some randomness about maturity. I understand you are being argumentative for the fun of it but you aren't actually responding to the question.

 

Ok, so to continue, are you saying then an 18 year old boy, should hang out in a club filled with 15 year old girls? Is this safe? I know the original poster said it was her daughter, and the friend is 2 months younger, but lets flip this a bit. If for one person, than all people? We all know that many 18 year olds move out of the house. They sign leases on apartments. Some might be married already. Some go into the military. Some move to college. In each of these, the 18 are an adult. These 18 year olds, depending on where they live, go to night clubs. (They can't drink). So basically, you want to "mix" the mature 18 year old, with the "immature" kids.

 

I'm a firm believer, that once they become an adult, even still in HS, they must learn to be an adult. Although the cruise line does not have a specific club for them, they, from my experience are fully capable of finding like age kids, in locations that they would be hanging out.

 

I also believe that the poster, is not speaking from the daughter's perspective, but rather as an helicopter parent, who wants to hold back the "adulthood" a bit longer.

 

So we talk about the safety of the one 18 year old, and ignore the safety of the young kiddies? Isn't this about, it's my daughter, and not about the others? I don't want my daughter in a club, but it's ok, for the opposite to happen.

 

Yes, I have two kids. When they turned 18, they became an adult. They were allowed to make their own decisions, and make their own mistakes. They could cook, clean, and take care of themselves. They have learned to ask for advice and make their decision.

 

They are both very proud of themselves being able to live on their own, and support their choices.

 

Safety is two ways, not one way.

 

They can hang together, and they do not need the kiddies club to do so.

[snyderc635]

You need to relax Havingfun. This question wasn't meant to provoke an argument about life or when it's time to become an adult. I simply asked whether my niece, who is 18 and still in high school, would be able to join her cousin in the teen club. Lets leave it at that.

[Cruising4]

Many 18 year olds spend time with 15 and 16 year olds. It's called SCHOOL.

 

The OP asked for personal experiences with an 18 yo high school attending the TEEN club. She did not ask for advice on how to parent an 18 yo!

 

If you can't help the OP with her question, move along please.

 

I'm interested in the answer, looking for 2016. DSF will be 18 and DS17 - both HS seniors.

 

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Cruise life]

You need to relax Havingfun. This question wasn't meant to provoke an argument about life or when it's time to become an adult. I simply asked whether my niece, who is 18 and still in high school, would be able to join her cousin in the teen club. Lets leave it at that.

 

 

I disagree completely with the posters that say this isn't about maturity. 18 does not make one mature. I also question whether or not these "adults" are paying for their own health insurance, car payments and insurance, and all rent, utilities, clothing expenses etc., etc.

To call the teen club a "kiddies" club is just wrong. While I understand helicopter parents do exist, I seriously doubt many parents that cruise with older teens and young adults are hovering much.

 

 

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[steph7021]

Ok, so to continue, are you saying then an 18 year old boy, should hang out in a club filled with 15 year old girls? Is this safe? I know the original poster said it was her daughter, and the friend is 2 months younger, but lets flip this a bit. If for one person, than all people? We all know that many 18 year olds move out of the house. They sign leases on apartments. Some might be married already. Some go into the military. Some move to college. In each of these, the 18 are an adult. These 18 year olds, depending on where they live, go to night clubs. (They can't drink). So basically, you want to "mix" the mature 18 year old, with the "immature" kids.

 

 

 

I'm a firm believer, that once they become an adult, even still in HS, they must learn to be an adult. Although the cruise line does not have a specific club for them, they, from my experience are fully capable of finding like age kids, in locations that they would be hanging out.

 

 

 

I also believe that the poster, is not speaking from the daughter's perspective, but rather as an helicopter parent, who wants to hold back the "adulthood" a bit longer.

 

 

 

So we talk about the safety of the one 18 year old, and ignore the safety of the young kiddies? Isn't this about, it's my daughter, and not about the others? I don't want my daughter in a club, but it's ok, for the opposite to happen.

 

 

 

Yes, I have two kids. When they turned 18, they became an adult. They were allowed to make their own decisions, and make their own mistakes. They could cook, clean, and take care of themselves. They have learned to ask for advice and make their decision.

 

 

 

They are both very proud of themselves being able to live on their own, and support their choices.

 

 

 

Safety is two ways, not one way.

 

 

 

They can hang together, and they do not need the kiddies club to do so.

 

 

Yes, an 18 year old Highschool kid can be with 15 year olds. And they are...at school and many other places...until they are college students. There has to be a cut off and I believe in the cut off of Highschool graduation. So do the cruise lines...they need to show a school ID. We travel with extended family and my oldest daughter utilized the teen club as an 18 year old senior because of her cousins and sister. However, a few months later when she had graduated Highschool and we were sailing in Europe she was considered an adult. Clearly not a lot has changed in terms of maturity necessarily but a milestone was reached and we had different guidelines and rules for an 18 year old whom was allowed to drink (because it was Europe).

 

And here's the thing....high schoolers can sign themselves in and out of club. They often meet up and then go do other things. And so; 18 year olds and 15 year olds have plenty of opportunities to interact without supervision. We all know that we set the rules for our kids on these ships that are like some sort of parallel universe! If we are all honest; our kids do well with the freedom and not so well with the freedom. They learn.

[Athankfulheart]

In our experiences with Carnival this was not a problem. We just brought the school ID and the staff wanted to see us the first day. Don't let people who troll the boards get you riled. That is exactly what they feed on.

 

 

FWIW: I'm mom to 8, 3 of which are independent adults. I'm no helicopter. I teach and expect my kids to be responsible adults much earlier than is typical. This actually includes being able to relate to people of all ages, not just their same aged peers. As a result they sometimes choose to hang with the group younger than them and sometimes the group older than them. In general, they are "friendly, outgoing, good-clean-fun" kinda people. Not because I micro manage their lives, but because those are the people they chose to be.

[Domino D]

Ok, so to continue, are you saying then an 18 year old boy, should hang out in a club filled with 15 year old girls? Is this safe? I know the original poster said it was her daughter, and the friend is 2 months younger, but lets flip this a bit. If for one person, than all people? We all know that many 18 year olds move out of the house. They sign leases on apartments. Some might be married already. Some go into the military. Some move to college. In each of these, the 18 are an adult. These 18 year olds, depending on where they live, go to night clubs. (They can't drink). So basically, you want to "mix" the mature 18 year old, with the "immature" kids.

 

I'm a firm believer, that once they become an adult, even still in HS, they must learn to be an adult. Although the cruise line does not have a specific club for them, they, from my experience are fully capable of finding like age kids, in locations that they would be hanging out.

 

I also believe that the poster, is not speaking from the daughter's perspective, but rather as an helicopter parent, who wants to hold back the "adulthood" a bit longer.

 

So we talk about the safety of the one 18 year old, and ignore the safety of the young kiddies? Isn't this about, it's my daughter, and not about the others? I don't want my daughter in a club, but it's ok, for the opposite to happen.

 

Yes, I have two kids. When they turned 18, they became an adult. They were allowed to make their own decisions, and make their own mistakes. They could cook, clean, and take care of themselves. They have learned to ask for advice and make their decision.

 

They are both very proud of themselves being able to live on their own, and support their choices.

 

Safety is two ways, not one way.

 

They can hang together, and they do not need the kiddies club to do so.

 

This is a joke right?

[hannahouse]

An 18 year old can go to all the clubs and bars?

 

Yes, they can go but drinking age on the ship is still 21. However, they may gamble in the casino.

[YorN]

This is a joke right?

 

I thought it was. Apparently the poster believes at 17 years, 364 days, the individual is a child, and at 18 years, 0 days, they wake up and are immediately an adult and should be kicked out of the house and fend for themselves. The transformation from child to adult is a process, one that is not defined by a single date on a calendar. It has nothing to do with "helicopter parenting" or those that "never want their kid to grow up".

 

I am finding this poster's hidden parenting lesson to be amusing and pathetic.

 

Gone are the days of this forum where you could ask a question and get an answer without another person trying to be a life expert or tell you how you should raise your family. It's disgusting. Hundreds of better posts are deleted here daily by moderators - yet this garbage is allowed to stay.

Edited November 27, 2014 by YorN

[steph7021]

I wonder to why they don't delete him...he does this on other threads. Annoying

[Domino D]

Gone are the days of this forum where you could ask a question and get an answer without another person trying to be a life expert or tell you how you should raise your family.

 

I believe havingfun2010 meant to post his diatribe here

 

http://www.parenting.com/advice

 

The forum for people looking for advice on parenting. He didn't realize this is a forum where people ask questions about cruising. Natural mistake I suppose.

Edited November 27, 2014 by Domino D

[travler27]

So, what's Carnival's rule?

 

Anyone under 18 can use the teen club or anyone not yet graduated from high school can use the teen club? Seems like that would answer the question.

[YorN]

So, what's Carnival's rule?

 

Anyone under 18 can use the teen club or anyone not yet graduated from high school can use the teen club? Seems like that would answer the question.

 

Technically, according to policy, Club O2 is ages 15-17, but club directors usually make an exception for those aged 18 and still enrolled in high school. This is at their discretion.

[JennyG123]

Gone are the days of this forum where you could ask a question and get an answer without another person trying to be a life expert or tell you how you should raise your family. It's disgusting. Hundreds of better posts are deleted here daily by moderators - yet this garbage is allowed to stay.

 

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! People need to get lives and stop causing problems! You really can't ask questions without people jumping all over you! I honestly think an 18 yo high school student should be allowed to have fun with whoever they chose and should be permitted in the teen club.

[bingo3]

When my oldest turned 18 he joined the army. He is and always was an adult at 18 and never wanted to play with the little kiddies in a kids club, or bouncy house, or any other place where little kiddies hung out. He never had an issue of mingling with his age, and since his age the young adults managed to find each other without the help of a supervised kiddie club.

 

My oldest, who is now past 18, and have recently also has no desire to hang with the kiddies last summer. He had fun trying his luck with limited funds in the casino, and actually won money. Went to the clubs in the evening with the other young adults and was perfectly at ease with not hanging out with kiddies.

 

When they turn 18, it's time to let them be adults, and give up the kid's games.

 

That's your opinion, doesn't mean it's right for everyone. And this 18 yr. old is still in HS. Yours was unsolicited advice as well. The OP asked if the 18yr. old could attend, she did not ask for opinions about it. :rolleyes:

[Mom2sml]

My daughter will turn 18 three days before our cruise begins and since it's a summer cruise she will have already graduated from high school. The cruise is a graduation present. She really wants to attend Club O2 with her 16 year old sister and hopes they will say yes. She like some of the activities they take part in. She has no interest in the clubs and doesn't have "throw away" money for the casino. If she can't get into Club O2 then her sister won't join it either.

[snyderc635]

To let everyone know, we just returned from our cruise on the Fantasy and my niece was NOT allowed in the teen club, even with her school ID, and even after we complained at Guest Services. My niece and her 16 year old cousin were very disappointed. Still had fun though!

[SadieN]

As said before, it depends on the counselor.

 

Did you go over Thanksgiving? If so, that was probably the reason. They had maxed out on the roster.

 

Our experience was always on less crowded times.

[YubaSutter]

My daughter will turn 18 three days before our cruise begins and since it's a summer cruise she will have already graduated from high school. The cruise is a graduation present. She really wants to attend Club O2 with her 16 year old sister and hopes they will say yes. She like some of the activities they take part in. She has no interest in the clubs and doesn't have "throw away" money for the casino. If she can't get into Club O2 then her sister won't join it either.

 

She won't get into the kids club. She will be a graduate and 18. Time to grow up.

[pamrose228]

18-20 is the worse age for young adults to be cruising. Considered adults but still have some of the rules of teens. My son cruised this January 2 weeks before his 21 birthday. Didn't have the best time. No meet ups for that age are planned, and they feel very awkward in the clubs.

 

On the Splendor there were several bars available for meet ups but when I asked why not, they just shrugged their shoulders. I guess it has to do with people of this age not drinking so no revenue is to be made to host for them.

[travler27]

You know, they gotta' draw the line somewhere. And I wonder how many folks would be in favor of 18 year olds in the teen club if some 18 year old boy (or girl) was caught taking advantage of some 16 year girl (or boy).

 

Legally, you're a minor the day before your 18th birthday and an adult the next day. Maturity level doesn't figure into that, HS graduation doesn't figure into that. Only your birthdate. It seems to me that Carnival would be taking a significant legal risk allowing adults in the teen club.

Edited December 3, 2014 by travler27

[pamrose228]

I agree. Also some don't graduate until 19. With 15 year olds there, any 19 year old boy having sex with a girl that age could be charged with statutory rape. And yes, it does happen.

[readytotravel44]

I'm thinking you don't have an 18 year old! Legally yes--they are adults but they are still kids too.

I would rather my 18 year old meet some friends so she has someone to hang out with. She'll be 18 and 2 months when we sail....so yes-I'd rather her find friends around her age to hang with.

 

 

Agreed!

 

I have an 18 year old, and I totally agree. She is still a kid. Mine never enjoyed the kid's clubs, so she is relieved I would be pushing her to go, but I totally agree that an 18 year old is not really an adult.

 

Mine is a freshman in college. Luckily there seems to be a ton of 18-20 yr olds on our roll call so hopefully, my only child, will find a friend or two.

[readytotravel44]

Ok, so to continue, are you saying then an 18 year old boy, should hang out in a club filled with 15 year old girls? Is this safe? I know the original poster said it was her daughter, and the friend is 2 months younger, but lets flip this a bit. If for one person, than all people? We all know that many 18 year olds move out of the house. They sign leases on apartments. Some might be married already. Some go into the military. Some move to college. In each of these, the 18 are an adult. These 18 year olds, depending on where they live, go to night clubs. (They can't drink). So basically, you want to "mix" the mature 18 year old, with the "immature" kids.

 

I'm a firm believer, that once they become an adult, even still in HS, they must learn to be an adult. Although the cruise line does not have a specific club for them, they, from my experience are fully capable of finding like age kids, in locations that they would be hanging out.

 

I also believe that the poster, is not speaking from the daughter's perspective, but rather as an helicopter parent, who wants to hold back the "adulthood" a bit longer.

 

So we talk about the safety of the one 18 year old, and ignore the safety of the young kiddies? Isn't this about, it's my daughter, and not about the others? I don't want my daughter in a club, but it's ok, for the opposite to happen.

 

Yes, I have two kids. When they turned 18, they became an adult. They were allowed to make their own decisions, and make their own mistakes. They could cook, clean, and take care of themselves. They have learned to ask for advice and make their decision.

 

They are both very proud of themselves being able to live on their own, and support their choices.

 

Safety is two ways, not one way.

 

They can hang together, and they do not need the kiddies club to do so.

 

I find this funny. So the day before they turn 18, you make the decisions, cook, and clean for them but they day after they turn 18 it is..."You're on your own!" ????

Sounds like in Shrek, when he was tossed out on his 7th birthday.

 

It is philosophical, but growing up is a process. We parents gradually release responsibility to our children on a case by case basis. Some reach out for independence a little faster and, due to good choices they have made when in independent situations, are granted more freedom. (Mine was one of those) - But truth is, even though our daughter is a freshman in college - (4.0 so far!!!) - who flies home to and from school by herself, is incredibly independent, she is still a kid in many ways. "Daddy! Spider!" Growing up is a process - not an overnight event.

 

IF my child expressed any interest in attending the Kids' club at age 18, I would say yes.

Edited December 3, 2014 by readytotravel44