iancal Posted December 23, 2014 #51 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Vegas did not get built by giving too much money back to the punters. The answer is in the math. The house wins. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo222 Posted December 23, 2014 #52 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) Vegas did not get built by giving too much money back to the punters. Exactly. Those hotels were not built on the backs on winners. Slightly related -- whenever I had seen a slot tournament -- the rope off a group of slot machines, and then the machines are wired-up to pay off like crazy. It never occured to me that the casino COULDN'T change the hold percentage. Edited December 23, 2014 by pablo222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada1867 Posted December 23, 2014 #53 Share Posted December 23, 2014 In support of the OP, the slots are all now computerised and networked...and within payout probability ranges, the likelihood of a winning 'pull' in most casinos varies by time of day, day of week, location of the machine. Winning is still random, but the probability changes within the range by design to increase the likelihood that the machines will have someone in front of it continuing to feed it green! Knowing this, I still play. Good harmless fun. Can't wait until my February cruise! Jeff Sent from my Nexus 7 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruzeKrazy! Posted December 24, 2014 #54 Share Posted December 24, 2014 The odds of any stop on any reel is the same irrespective of what shows on the reel. It's the combination of stops that is the payout probability. Yes, games are computerized and what games show to be played can be changed on the fly (if a casino has that system) but that is the 'theme' of the game - not the hold percentages. Payout probabilities CANNOT be changed on the fly by a computer throughout the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada1867 Posted December 24, 2014 #55 Share Posted December 24, 2014 We both can't be right. I guess this is proof you can't believe everything you read on the Internet...or learn from casino company executives. :) Jeff Sent from my Nexus 7 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruzeKrazy! Posted December 24, 2014 #56 Share Posted December 24, 2014 And we can't blame the difference on any exchange rate, either! :- ) BTW, we love Canada. We honeymooned in Toronto 39 years ago and since I've been to every southern province at least once plus the Yukon. Guess I need to work on the NWT next. And please take no offense but regarding the slots I know I am right... :- ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_k58 Posted December 24, 2014 #57 Share Posted December 24, 2014 If gambling is the goal of a vacation - why in the world pick a cruise ship. Comps of all kinds are readily available at just about every casino ( except the Indian ones) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruzeKrazy! Posted December 24, 2014 #58 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Not the goal - just one of many ways to spend one's cruise time and dollars. Some do more excursions, some buy more drinks, some shop a lot, some gamble a little, some stay in suites, etc., etc. , etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTJSR Posted December 24, 2014 #59 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) There is one slot machine in the casino that is 100 percent controlled and manipulated, in my opinion. The "Quarter Shooter" with the big tray that rakes and pushes quarters forward until they off the edge. I spend 2 weeks on the Island recently watching the "Bait" money being "Placed" along the edges so that people would play those machines at night. Im ok with placing bait, along as long it is not moved after that. . Edited December 24, 2014 by MTJSR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonbeam Posted December 24, 2014 #60 Share Posted December 24, 2014 That's not a slot. It's technically a skill game with a random factor. And yes, the 'larger' prize payouts are manipulated. The coin payouts can't be as much because it depends on how people play over the day. There is one slot machine in the casino that is 100 percent controlled and manipulated, in my opinion. The "Quarter Shooter" with the big tray that rakes and pushes quarters forward until they off the edge. I spend 2 weeks on the Island recently watching the "Bait" money being "Placed" along the edges so that people would play those machines at night. Im ok with placing bait, along as long it is not moved after that. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KruzeKrazy! Posted December 24, 2014 #61 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Correct - not a slot machine. It's really more like a carnival/arcade game. May everyone have a holiday season filled with nothing but life's jackpots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1mauro Posted December 25, 2014 #62 Share Posted December 25, 2014 There is one slot machine in the casino that is 100 percent controlled and manipulated, in my opinion. The "Quarter Shooter" with the big tray that rakes and pushes quarters forward until they off the edge. I spend 2 weeks on the Island recently watching the "Bait" money being "Placed" along the edges so that people would play those machines at night. Im ok with placing bait, along as long it is not moved after that. . I can imagine the lineups to play it on the days that the ship is plowing through rough seas :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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