Man overboard on the Glory

[travler27]

Perhaps it's a good time to think about what you would do if you happened to witness someone going over the side.

[naturalbeauty2011]

Drunk, playing around, leaning over who cares! All thats matter is that this young man is probably lost at sea:( all we can do is learn from this situation and keep his family and friends in our prayers. So many heartless people are out there. If theirs anybody who looking at this that's from this young man's family or one of his friends... You are in my prayers and Im so sorry this happened to you.

[FamilyHarmony]

Interesting article, including regulations on MOB safety technology

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/spencer-aronfeld/man-overboard-cruise-ship-passengers-lost-at-sea-_b_6775536.html

 

Whether this was foolishness or a combination of bad set of circumstances (for all we know, he could have been seasick over the railing and a list took him over), does it really matter? I did stupid things when I was younger that could have ended far worse than they did under different circumstances - I'm sure most of us have.

 

It's startling how blasé some of the comments on this thread are. The fact is, someone is lost at sea and a life is a life - for those posting the callous comments, I only hope you don't ever have to experience this type of tragedy in your family.

 

My thoughts and prayers are with this person's family.

[Mabks0412]

I'm still new to the boards, and to the whole cruising experience. I also don't like to really state my mind if I don't think I have a place to. Before I got on the ship I was in panic mode and going overboard was one of my biggest fears. I've read several 'reports' on what happened. So I don't have the full story nor do I need it.

 

A person went overboard. However it happened, it doesn't matter at this point. The family or friends could be members of this board and reading all the negative comments aren't helpful. They need support and positive thoughts. It's a tragedy when something like this happens.

 

Sorry, that's just my two cents. Like I said, I don't really think I have a place to say anything and I know I'm still new, but I would hope that everyone could come together as a community and show support no matter how it happened.

[gsw3]

Of course, murder / suicide are options, and this has occurred in the past. However, being Spring break week, I have my suspicions. It will be what it will be. Yeah, your chances of surviving such a fall can be pretty slim. If it is murder, that's a different story. Suicide; then do it so you do not affect so many others. Foolishness; you got what you deserved. Sorry.

 

No one deserves that fate, foolishness or not.

[Smart Arsenal Fan]

From what I heard, he was leaning way over his railing, as if perhaps trying to get the attention of the cabin below his.

 

No matter how stupid, so very sad. :(

 

I remember my college days.... looking back, so many times I should dead now.

[chengkp75]

Interesting article, including regulations on MOB safety technology

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/spencer-aronfeld/man-overboard-cruise-ship-passengers-lost-at-sea-_b_6775536.html

 

Whether this was foolishness or a combination of bad set of circumstances (for all we know, he could have been seasick over the railing and a list took him over), does it really matter? I did stupid things when I was younger that could have ended far worse than they did under different circumstances - I'm sure most of us have.

 

It's startling how blasé some of the comments on this thread are. The fact is, someone is lost at sea and a life is a life - for those posting the callous comments, I only hope you don't ever have to experience this type of tragedy in your family.

 

My thoughts and prayers are with this person's family.

 

From the article posted:

 

"Tragically, most major cruise lines, with the exception of Disney, refuse to employ these devices -- even though the 2010 ''Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act of 2010" or CVSSA -- requires them. Probably because the CVSSA enacted by President Obama, only requires cruise ships built after 2010 to integrate MOB technology as well as minimum height requirements for cabin safety railing. Under the CVSSA the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the U.S. Coast Guard (USCG), and the Maritime Administration (MARAD) have established model training standards for crime prevention, detection, evidence preservation as well as the reporting of criminal activities aboard cruise ships."

 

This statement has several falsehoods or distortions in it, but pursuant to this thread and your post, the pertinent section is in red. The real reason that the cruise lines do not employ the MOB technology is that the CVSSA, in this instance, does not apply to foreign flag vessels. There is only one ship that this law applies to, and that is the NCL Pride of America, and even then, that ship was built prior to 2010.

 

Here's another quote:

 

"Perhaps Carnival's high MOB incident rate may be explained by the sheer number of vessels in its fleet as well their limited use of modern MOB detection systems."

 

Could someone please tell me how a MOB system, that detects something going over the side of the ship, and identifies it as human by size and temperature, can prevent these instances from happening, which is what this person is implying? Again, compare the number of overboards divided by the million passenger days for each company, and I believe you will find they are all remarkably close.

 

To have any validity at all, this person would need to show the number of successful rescues to unsuccessful ones on ships with the MOB system and ships without. This is a detection system, not a prevention one.

[asdjl]

Yes, someone should be held responsible if he was drunk, he should be held responsible. If he was in college, than he knew better. I am sorry someone was not with him, so he did not get into trouble. But I think that while it is a horrible tragedy and I feel sorry for his friends and family, it does matter how it happened. It was not gross negligence on the part of Carnival, people who drink should be responsible for their own behavior and control themselves

[ajee622]

From the article posted:

 

 

 

"Tragically, most major cruise lines, with the exception of Disney, refuse to employ these devices -- even though the 2010 ''Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act of 2010" or CVSSA -- requires them. Probably because the CVSSA enacted by President Obama, only requires cruise ships built after 2010 to integrate MOB technology as well as minimum height requirements for cabin safety railing. Under the CVSSA the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the U.S. Coast Guard (USCG), and the Maritime Administration (MARAD) have established model training standards for crime prevention, detection, evidence preservation as well as the reporting of criminal activities aboard cruise ships."

 

 

 

This statement has several falsehoods or distortions in it, but pursuant to this thread and your post, the pertinent section is in red. The real reason that the cruise lines do not employ the MOB technology is that the CVSSA, in this instance, does not apply to foreign flag vessels. There is only one ship that this law applies to, and that is the NCL Pride of America, and even then, that ship was built prior to 2010.

 

 

 

Here's another quote:

 

 

 

"Perhaps Carnival's high MOB incident rate may be explained by the sheer number of vessels in its fleet as well their limited use of modern MOB detection systems."

 

 

 

Could someone please tell me how a MOB system, that detects something going over the side of the ship, and identifies it as human by size and temperature, can prevent these instances from happening, which is what this person is implying? Again, compare the number of overboards divided by the million passenger days for each company, and I believe you will find they are all remarkably close.

 

 

 

To have any validity at all, this person would need to show the number of successful rescues to unsuccessful ones on ships with the MOB system and ships without. This is a detection system, not a prevention one.

 

 

You are right it wouldn't prevent it from happening. It would however alarm the ship so in this case hours would not have gone by without the ship knowing.

 

 

 

 

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[marshauna]

Unfortunately, heard from my daughters friend's mother, that this was her best friends son. They viewed video which shows he fell off, but they didn't give any more information as to how or where he fell off. Family is devastated and were flying out to St. Thomas, where the friends who were with him were all de-boarding. Will update if/when they release more info. Don't feel comfortable saying more until the family releases more information themselves...not my place. Too close to home, thats for sure. We just got off of the Sunshine ourselves on Saturday and got the news yesterday (March 8). Can't fathom what they are going through, and yes it was a spring break trip that several of he and his friends were on.

[pamrose228]

Unfortunately, heard from my daughters friend's mother, that this was her best friends son. They viewed video which shows he fell off, but they didn't give any more information as to how or where he fell off. Family is devastated and were flying out to St. Thomas, where the friends who were with him were all de-boarding. Will update if/when they release more info. Don't feel comfortable saying more until the family releases more information themselves...not my place. Too close to home, thats for sure. We just got off of the Sunshine ourselves on Saturday and got the news yesterday (March 8). Can't fathom what they are going through, and yes it was a spring break trip that several of he and his friends were on.

OMG to have a personal connection to this kid is devastating. Of course they are devastated as any of us would be. Did your daughter know him?

[marshauna]

My daughter did not know him, but he was friends with one of my daughters friends since they were little. Seeing as how we just got off of the Sunshine Saturday, and we were told about it on Sunday while we were all together. She was getting messages on her phone and updates as to what was going on as things were unfolding. Media still hasn't covered it that I know of.

[MrsPhoenix91]

There is now an iReport on CNN:

 

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1223214

[Beachdude]

Honestly I'm surprised there aren't more over boards or injuries. Potentially add booze, drugs or a poor mental state of mind and things could happen quickly. A lot of people expect 2nd changes after mistakes, I'm pretty sure this is one time people rarely get a 2nd chance.

 

Probably more than you think. There were three on one of our cruises on three different ships including our own. Our ship was part of the search for most of one day on one of the overboards. Two of the three were never found, but the one on our ship was saved because it was day and several people were around. He was a drunk dad showing off in front of the family and went over. It was the last day of the cruise and several passengers saw the Ft. Launderdale police escort him off the ship in handcuffs early the next morning. The Curise lines don't take this lightly. Grandma was on this forum and eventually told the story. The whole family was very embarrased. I think the kids were around 8 to 10 years old.

 

Burt

Edited March 9, 2015 by Beachdude

[marshauna]

thanks for sharing. They don't expect to find him. He probably didn't even know what happened.

[Son of a son of a ...]

I must be keeping the moderator busy today - I think I am up to 6 deleted posts! Maybe I should add a smiley face to my posts ... :)

[MrsPhoenix91]

I must be keeping the moderator busy today - I think I am up to 6 deleted posts! Maybe I should add a smiley face to my posts ... :)

 

Trust and believe, a smiley won't help.

[Boat Drinks56]

I've never heard a ship so quiet when the Captain made his announcement.

 

I feel so sorry for the friends of the passenger...

 

and I am sure it must be very difficult being there, trying to enjoy your vacation knowing that someone perished on your trip...

[Cruisegirl6]

So sad......horrible tragedy.

[topofE]

My $0.12 (<-adjusted for inflation)

 

Something can be both tragic AND foolish.

 

Drinking until you're literally stupid is...well stupid. It's not that I don't have compassion. It's very tragic for his family. And it's not "right" to blame the victim. But if you leave the victim out of this and only blame the person that is responsible for what happened...well, you're back where you started...

 

Prayers for his family.

Edited March 9, 2015 by topofE

[kwitt703]

My $0.12 (<-adjusted for inflation)

 

Something can be both tragic AND foolish.

 

Drinking until you're literally stupid is...well stupid. It's not that I don't have compassion. It's very tragic for his family. And it's not "right" to blame the victim. But if you leave the victim out of this and only blame the person that is responsible for what happened...well, you're back where you started...

 

Prayers for his family.

 

 

Literally laughed out loud at the inflation comment! Thanks for bringing some light to this sad tragedy!

[jimmysmom]

No one deserves to die. Not even from mistakes we have all made. Prayers for the family and friends of this young man.