Carnival - are you listening?

[johnlisac]

your post doesn't make sense. Fare increases come because the demand is there. Do you really think prices would go down if casino smoking was disallowed? Then you continue to say they are the cheapest.

It is about supply and demand you are correct. More cabins available cheaper rate less cabins available higher rate. But what I'm saying is I think Carnival is capitalizing on the fact they allow smoking in the casino and night clubs which will attract smokers who wish to have this option so fewer cabins higher rates. Now you've have a lesson on how to run a successful business your welcome!!

 

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[HamSammie]

"I would imagine" is hardly proof for such an emphatically stated statement. I don't need to do anything, you need to provide the proof for the statements you are trying to pass off as factual.

 

If you truly do not believe that a multi-billion dollar cruise company does not review the largest online forum for cruising for free customer reviews and feedback on policy or procedural changes, then I would really like some of what you are smoking.

 

Carnival (or any other cruise company) has people reviewing these forums for customer feedback just like the pizza place down the street from your house reviews Yelp or TripAdvisor for customer feedback.

Edited February 13, 2016 by RDPDGX

[HamSammie]

It is about supply and demand you are correct. More cabins available cheaper rate less cabins available higher rate.

 

Actually, it is increased demand, same supply (cabins), resulting in a shortage, and price will increase. :D

[johnlisac]

WOW Who do you think is increasing the demand I think you should do some searching on these threads about the increase of people smoking on the ships over the past few years. Then maybe it will sink in that Carnival is getting the business of smokers that cannot smoke in other cruise lines casinos. All I can say is WOW!

 

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[TaDaaa!]

For those mentioning drunk driving, yes, it affects others, including myself as I was in a car that was hit by a drunk killing my friend that was driving our car, and seriously injuring me. That is why it is illegal to drive drunk. Somebody sitting and drinking on the cruise does not affect someone else's health. Of course if you should choose to take issue with the drinker for some reason and incite a fight, well then that is you causing any injury.

 

If you drink so much that it causes you to become diseased or otherwise injured, that's on you and does not affect others health. Others emotions, maybe, but that is not the issue. Second hand smoke does affect other peoples health and that is where it goes over the line.

 

JMHO

 

And if the drinker takes issue with you instead? :rolleyes:

[TaDaaa!]

There are several on this thread who have agreed with my statement, as one pointed out, since you are new here, you are not aware of the poeple from Carnival that read these threads. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating well known facts. It also has been referenced that John Heald mentions many times on that "other" place comments that have been made here on cruise critic.

Pat

 

I'm not stating that people who work for Carnival may not also be readers or members of Cruise Critic. But the way you stated it attempted to make it their JOB to come here and report what is said to Carnival so they can act on it. I completely disagree with that. So to me, there is still no proof, just an opinion and I'm of the opinion that Carnival does not read these threads just to pick up on the vibe of what, maybe 5-10% of the cruising population.

 

I have also read John Heald's threads on FB and the way he talks about Cruise Critic is not what I would think the people here want to rave about. It's usually not a pretty sight.

[TaDaaa!]

If you truly do not believe that a multi-billion dollar cruise company does not review the largest online forum for cruising for free customer reviews and feedback on policy or procedural changes, then I would really like some of what you are smoking.

 

Carnival (or any other cruise company) has people reviewing these forums for customer feedback just like the pizza place down the street from your house reviews Yelp or TripAdvisor for customer feedback.

 

Considering what I have seen here a lot is people talking about how to cheat the system (smuggling and such) I see very minimal useful information that Carnival could glean from this site that would be worth the money spent to collect it.

 

As for what I smoke.....it's Pall Mall Blue Long......they are available at Walgreen's if you are so inclined.

Edited February 13, 2016 by TaDaaa!

[tigresslea]

I kind of agree with allowing smoking on balconies on one side of the ship. I think that might solve some of the smokiness in the casino. I know that most non smokers are bothered by the smoke and I try to be aware of them when I'm smoking. I'm not a chain smoker but I do enjoy sitting on my balcony during my cruise. I always tried not to smoke too much if I knew my neighbors were outside also. Question for non smokers - was it really that bad when it was allowed on balconies?

 

 

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Yes, it bothered me a lot. There were many times I'd have to retreat inside because of smoke. It was so disappointing that I had decided not to get balcony rooms anymore, then they banned it.

[Pyrate13]

And if the drinker takes issue with you instead?

 

I'm in my 60's and I've never had a drinker take issue with me because I don't bother with them. If you're not paying attention to them than they are unlikely to go after you. I'm sure there's rare exceptions but for the most part someone drinking has no effect on another's health. If they did attack for some reason and injure you or others there are laws against that as well. Again, it's when your actions affect others health there are consequences, as it should be.

[Wooshers]

Considering what I have seen here a lot is people talking about how to cheat the system (smuggling and such) I see very minimal useful information that Carnival could glean from this site that would be worth the money spent to collect it.

 

As for what I smoke.....it's Pall Mall Blue Long......they are available at Walgreen's if you are so inclined.

 

And yet now they don't let you bring on bottle water anymore because of the smuggling... Not sure if sales of alcohol went up or not but it seems like they may have learned something from that information.

[texast518]

I would agree that Carnival needs to invest, if they have not already, in a system that better cleans the air in the casino area, especially when it is next to or in-between a high traffic area.

 

However, I highly doubt the casinos will ever go smoke free. If the casinos went smoke free, I believe the revenue the casino would receive from those that previously avoided the casino because of the smoke would not exceed the revenue loss from the smokers.

Celebrity is smoke free, it works.

[texast518]

Carnival has designated smoking areas. If you don't want to be exposed to the smoke don't go to these areas. Problem solved and if they thought that banning smoking in the casino would increase profits they would have already went that way. I don't like having dinner next to someone who smells like they took a bath in perfume but I don't expect them to ban it in the mdr. And yes I have allergic reaction to a lot of popular perfumes so it is a health issue for me.

 

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Come on! A big % of eating places have gone smoke free but not perfume free.

Edited February 14, 2016 by texast518

[momdaughterondestiny]

Smoking is currently allowed on regular balconies . We had a Lanai cabin . These cabins open up to a public deck with a reserved spot outside the cabin . No smoking allowed . It was great ! :) We never ever take balconies on a ship which allows smoking on them . Why pay extra to be annoyed . Therefore for several years Carnival and currently HAL were off our balcony cruise list . My experience is one nearby smoker can and did ruin my balcony experience .

 

Thank you so much for letting me know about where smoking is allowed and not on the balconies I've never cruised on HAL but my sister said she read that smoking was allowed on balconies I'll pass along your information to her. And yeah carnival is off my list to get balconies now I get an inside and save money for other stuff. Thanks again.

[Cobrakev]

Tell that to all the people who have been in accidents because of people drunk driving.

 

Also, look at the Revel in Atlantic City that filed for bankruptcy twice and finally closed. A 100% non-smoking casino was unable to make any money.

 

1. I haven't seen a cruise line allow me to take my car on the ship. So that is ruled out.

 

2. Every casino in AC has filed for bankruptcy at one time or another. Hell seems like they change names every year.

[elliair]

Come on! A big % of eating places have gone smoke free but not perfume free.

 

Businesses can control smoking, but they cannot control what people spray on their bodies.:rolleyes:

[Cobrakev]

I kind of agree with allowing smoking on balconies on one side of the ship. I think that might solve some of the smokiness in the casino. I know that most non smokers are bothered by the smoke and I try to be aware of them when I'm smoking. I'm not a chain smoker but I do enjoy sitting on my balcony during my cruise. I always tried not to smoke too much if I knew my neighbors were outside also. Question for non smokers - was it really that bad when it was allowed on balconies?

 

 

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Yep, cant stand the smell

[TaDaaa!]

And yet now they don't let you bring on bottle water anymore because of the smuggling... Not sure if sales of alcohol went up or not but it seems like they may have learned something from that information.

 

I'm fairly sure that tidbit of information was learned in the security line at every port and every naughty room on board. But that's okay, you have your opinion and I have mine.

[TaDaaa!]

Businesses can control smoking, but they cannot control what people spray on their bodies.:rolleyes:

 

One could be required to pass a "Sniff Test" before being allowed to enter a place of business. :D

[tatt2ed]

i live in Illinois we are smoke free in just about all indoor places. business owners were flipping out when they passed the law stating that people will stop coming to their restaurants, bars, casinos and whatever else. well guess what it did for a bit then it was business as usual. smokers will stop going for awhile and then just realize they want to eat or gamble or what not. same will hold true for cruise lines because there are more people than cabins to fill.

 

and who doesn't love to see those smokers huddled up in corners outside when its 20 below out, freezing their asses while they kill themselves. i fee no pity for smokers , they can quit if they don't like it. i cant wait to see they day they straight up ban smoking everywhere. smokers wont know what to do , hell yeah !

[berniez]

I am reasonably sure most cruise lines eliminated smoking on balconies due to fire hazards, customer complaints, and liability. People hang towels over railings. Smokers have a tendency to flick their butts away from them. Hot butt drops on a towel below you have a fire. I believe this actually happened on a cruise ship and caused a small fire a few years back. The smell is more objectionable in my opinion.

[Pookill17]

I personally have never flicked a cigarette off a cruise ship. I always used an ashtray.

I had no way of knowing if my cabin neighbors were smokers or not so I would try not to light up if they were outside.

 

 

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[teegee16]

So I get it about cigarette and any cacinogenic smoke producing habits. Yeah, keep it to designated areas to cater to those who can't breath properly. By why ban vaping to smoke sections. Vaping , and I mean true vaping with refillable juice tanks hurts no one. I vape in my cube at work and no one ever complains because you can't smell it and vapor, a type of steam, dissapates immediately. I just feel like people complaining about vaping do so because vaping looks like way too much fun and there's always a grouch stepping up, no matter what it is. I fully intend to vape up a storm on my upcoming cruise and if anyone dares approach me you will hear me talking right back atcha. Ps I'm a big girl!

Edited February 14, 2016 by teegee16

[sweetsixteencruisers]

So I get it about cigarette and any cacinogenic smoke producing habits. Yeah, keep it to designated areas to cater to those who can't breath properly. By why ban vaping to smoke sections. Vaping , and I mean true vaping with refillable juice tanks hurts no one. I vape in my cube at work and no one ever complains because you can't smell it and vapor, a type of steam, dissapates immediately. I just feel like people complaining about vaping do so because vaping looks like way too much fun and there's always a grouch stepping up, no matter what it is. I fully intend to vape up a storm on my upcoming cruise and if anyone dares approach me you will hear me talking right back atcha. Ps I'm a big girl!

 

This is what they said when they started producing cigarettes without efficient long term testing.

[tatt2ed]

This is what they said when they started producing cigarettes without efficient long term testing.

I agree, they are not harmless by any means. The OP needs to do better research. Even simple water vapor is hazardous. It looks rediculous too !

 

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[tigresslea]

So I get it about cigarette and any cacinogenic smoke producing habits. Yeah, keep it to designated areas to cater to those who can't breath properly. By why ban vaping to smoke sections. Vaping , and I mean true vaping with refillable juice tanks hurts no one. I vape in my cube at work and no one ever complains because you can't smell it and vapor, a type of steam, dissapates immediately. I just feel like people complaining about vaping do so because vaping looks like way too much fun and there's always a grouch stepping up, no matter what it is. I fully intend to vape up a storm on my upcoming cruise and if anyone dares approach me you will hear me talking right back atcha. Ps I'm a big girl!

 

Vaping is pretty new and we don't know the long term effects yet. I believe it is better than smoking tobacco by a mile but here is why I don't think it should be allowed in non smoking areas... children. When someone is vaping near me it doesn't bother me, but if my daughter is there I have to explain to her why it's not cool and could be as harmful as smoking. As a tool to quit smoking, it's great. But telling our kids it's harmless and then we have a generation of vaping teenagers finding out that it wasn't as harmless as they thought.