Carnival - are you listening?

[Cinnamon2]

Just for the record:

Smoking in public infringes on the rights of non-smokers

Smoking in your own home is your own business and hurts only those the home

Drinking and/or eating and getting fat is not infringing on anyone

Drinking alcohol in moderation is not infringing anyone

Non-smokers can choose to not go into smoking areas - but in the case of the casino, it's not fair that non-smokers are denied the option of breathing healthy air while playing in the casino.

Smokers are not denied the right to go into non-smoking areas (such as the Piano Bar) - they can just refrain from smoking while in the non-smoking area

Common sense and fairness should be used.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Cinnamon2

[johnlisac]

Just for the record:

Smoking in public infringes on the rights of non-smokers

Smoking in your own home is your own business and hurts only those the home

Drinking and/or eating and getting fat is not infringing on anyone

Drinking alcohol in moderation is not infringing anyone

Non-smokers can choose to not go into smoking areas - but in the case of the casino, it's not fair that non-smokers are denied the option of breathing healthy air while playing in the casino.

And again if it was more profitability Carnival would have banned smoking in all indoor areas like other cruise line have. And I also believe the steady increase in fare is because Carnival still allows it. So to sum it up if you don't like it cruise with other cruise line that don't allow it because Carnival is not going to be the cheapest option much longer.

 

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[Pookill17]

I consider myself a courteous smoker. I was bummed when it got banned on balconies as I love to get up early and sit out there with my coffee and cigarette. I understand it can be a fire hazard if people aren't careful. But I believe the ban has sent people indoors to the casino as an alternate smoking area to the balcony.

I do agree that it should be banned in all inside areas as long as there are places to go outside. I would still use the casino to gamble and just go outside if I want to smoke.

 

 

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[Cinnamon2]

And again if it was more profitability Carnival would have banned smoking in all indoor areas like other cruise line have. And I also believe the steady increase in fare is because Carnival still allows it. So to sum it up if you don't like it cruise with other cruise line that don't allow it because Carnival is not going to be the cheapest option much longer.

 

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Agree with you. Furthermore, I probably won't cruise again for another year - a lot can change in that time.

[momdaughterondestiny]

Because that's where the MAJORITY of smokers on board congregate just so they can smoke. They believe it's their territory because it's allowed by Carnival. I don't go in the casino because of the smoke. Gives me more money to spend on shore - I buy those cheap Bloody Mary's on shore. :D

 

I would agree with you except I smoke and wonder why I can't find a chair in the smoking area if the majority are in the casino. So I do not agree with that.

I also do not smoke in an area of the casino that is non smoking nor do I light up unless I first ask the person sitting next to me if they mind even if I am sitting at a smoking machine. I try to be thoughtful of others but some

on here are never happy and make it hard to be nice.

 

I agree with whomever said that non smokers got it banned on the balconies, they got an inch and now want a mile. Even though there are smoking areas outside some still are not happy where they are located.

 

I'm with ya on the cheap Bloody Mary's on shore lol.

[Cinnamon2]

I consider myself a courteous smoker. I was bummed when it got banned on balconies as I love to get up early and sit out there with my coffee and cigarette. I understand it can be a fire hazard if people aren't careful. But I believe the ban has sent people indoors to the casino as an alternate smoking area to the balcony.

I do agree that it should be banned in all inside areas as long as there are places to go outside. I would still use the casino to gamble and just go outside if I want to smoke.

 

 

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Actually, people's smoking on their own balcony never bothered me. It's outdoors and windy and the smoke usually dilutes before going very far. Personally, I would rather people have the option to smoke on their own balcony and ban all inside smoking. Too bad they don't allow smoking on balconies in a certain area - such as only the starboard side or only the port side leaving the opposite side non-smoking.

[Wooshers]

I would agree with you except I smoke and wonder why I can't find a chair in the smoking area if the majority are in the casino. So I do not agree with that.

I also do not smoke in an area of the casino that is non smoking nor do I light up unless I first ask the person sitting next to me if they mind even if I am sitting at a smoking machine. I try to be thoughtful of others but some

on here are never happy and make it hard to be nice.

 

I agree with whomever said that non smokers got it banned on the balconies, they got an inch and now want a mile. Even though there are smoking areas outside some still are not happy where they are located.

 

I'm with ya on the cheap Bloody Mary's on shore lol.

 

This is about smoking indoors with no open windows and practically no ventilation. Most here aren't even suggesting banning smoking completely(Although that would solve the problem)but when the entire floor wreaks Carnival should really consider something be done.

[LaCal]

If I was a non smoker and knew there were cruise lines like Celebrity or whichever ones had Non Smoking casinos I'd cruise 100% With them if it bothered me so much....I know lots of non smokers (Ex Smokers) who still Love the smell of cigarettes even though they don't smoke anymore.....it's the hand waving and face making ones that get me.....🚬🙀

[Swissmiss6253]

I am really glad I read this thread. We have been talking about cruising in America but I had no idea that there was so much smoking still allowed on American ships. We have only cruised Carnival out of Australia and there are only a couple of restricted places where smoking was allowed (and cruising is a fast growing holiday choice in Australia with heaps of people in the casino), I had expected American ships to be the same. Thanks for the heads up. Something to think about.

[momdaughterondestiny]

Eventually the casinos will be smoke free as the cabins , balconies and all food areas now are .

Until that day , Carnival should improve the ventilation systems and institute 2 days (minimum) non-smoking on

7 day cruises . They have this on HAL and I was pleasantly surprised how the stench was almost fully gone .

 

You can smoke on your balcony on HAL also or did they change it?

[moniquet]

Just returned from my 13th Carnival Cruise. It's refreshing that smoking is limited to one side of the ship on one or two outside decks. It's easy to stay away from those areas . . . BUT the casino was so smokey that it was hard to spend much time there. To navigate from one end of the ship to the other skirting around or through the casino was the only way to get through - and the smoke was just awful. Don't they know smoking and second hand smoke is dangerous as well as unpleasant??? Carnival - PLEASE install some exhaust fans to get the smoke out of there. I only went to the casino 4 times in 6 days - won my money and got the heck out because it was just too smokey. Wish they would designate a large area as non-smoking that includes tables in the casino . . . OH well - Carnival's loss - I didn't get a chance to go back and lose all the money I won.

 

Can't be all that bad if you have sailed 13 times with them;):)

[RuthlessBoss]

And again if it was more profitability Carnival would have banned smoking in all indoor areas like other cruise line have. And I also believe the steady increase in fare is because Carnival still allows it. So to sum it up if you don't like it cruise with other cruise line that don't allow it because Carnival is not going to be the cheapest option much longer.

 

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your post doesn't make sense. Fare increases come because the demand is there. Do you really think prices would go down if casino smoking was disallowed? Then you continue to say they are the cheapest.

[TaDaaa!]

when people drink, they don't affect someone else's health.

Pat

 

Affecting someone else's health has absolutely nothing to do with this statement that I quoted.

 

I am amazed that with all this knowledge, that anyone still smokes!

 

And of course, please tell those who have lost loved ones by drunk drivers or cirrhosis of the the liver that their life and health hasn't been affected.

Edited February 13, 2016 by TaDaaa!

[TaDaaa!]

There is one right here on these boards who reads the posts for Carnival. I would imagine all cruise lines have people who read the cruise forums. It is well known on these boards by those who have been here for a while. If you don't believe me, start a thread asking that question.

Pat

 

"I would imagine" is hardly proof for such an emphatically stated statement. I don't need to do anything, you need to provide the proof for the statements you are trying to pass off as factual.

[TaDaaa!]

Just for the record:

Smoking in public infringes on the rights of non-smokers

Smoking in your own home is your own business and hurts only those the home

Drinking and/or eating and getting fat is not infringing on anyone

Drinking alcohol in moderation is not infringing anyone

Non-smokers can choose to not go into smoking areas - but in the case of the casino, it's not fair that non-smokers are denied the option of breathing healthy air while playing in the casino.

Smokers are not denied the right to go into non-smoking areas (such as the Piano Bar) - they can just refrain from smoking while in the non-smoking area

Common sense and fairness should be used.

 

Just where in the Constitution does it state anyone has a right to a smoke free environment or fairness? I guess it's a good thing most of y'all didn't grow up when the only heat in the house and the only way to cook was a fire in the fireplace. :rolleyes:

[sweetsixteencruisers]

Come one people like you will not be happy till it's banned in peoples own homes!! Give me a break!!

 

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The smokers I know, don't smoke in their homes. The reason they say is because DH or DW doesn't like it or I (we) don't want my (our) children exposed to my(our) second hand smoke.

 

A friend of my rented a condo in Florida, in a gated community that was smoke free, inside and outside.

Edited February 13, 2016 by sweetsixteencruisers

[cruzn buckeye]

Just a thought OP....this would probably be a better topic to send directly to CCL via email or phone call, not on a message board. All this thread is going to do is become a smoking v non smoking thread with internet "experts" on both sides. :eek:

 

Actually, these boards are monitored by someone at Carnival. Which can be a very good thing.:)

How do i know this you ask?? Well, once when i was talking with someone at Carnival Guest services, they asked if I was the one that posted a certain thing on Cruise Critic.... so yes... while I don't know who, but someone or plural, does monitor these boards.

 

And like i said, it can be a good thing for them and us. They learn from , while just a small percentage of all cruises, what we like and don't like. They hear our comparisons between other cruiselines, and changes we would like to see.

 

Sometimes, change comes about. I remember asking JH about bringing Caribbean music back to the lido, and saving the club music DJ for the clubs... because I love the feel of boarding to the music that makes it truly feel like YES, WE ARE HEADING TO THE CARRIBBEAN:D

I also posted it here.... lo and behold... after many more posts and responses, it is being brought back:)

 

Now, if we could only get them to listen to us about the aft pools being for adults only... I think ill post a thread??:rolleyes:

[Pookill17]

I kind of agree with allowing smoking on balconies on one side of the ship. I think that might solve some of the smokiness in the casino. I know that most non smokers are bothered by the smoke and I try to be aware of them when I'm smoking. I'm not a chain smoker but I do enjoy sitting on my balcony during my cruise. I always tried not to smoke too much if I knew my neighbors were outside also. Question for non smokers - was it really that bad when it was allowed on balconies?

 

 

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[richstowe]

You can smoke on your balcony on HAL also or did they change it?

Smoking is currently allowed on regular balconies . We had a Lanai cabin . These cabins open up to a public deck with a reserved spot outside the cabin . No smoking allowed . It was great ! :) We never ever take balconies on a ship which allows smoking on them . Why pay extra to be annoyed . Therefore for several years Carnival and currently HAL were off our balcony cruise list . My experience is one nearby smoker can and did ruin my balcony experience .

[richstowe]

I kind of agree with allowing smoking on balconies on one side of the ship. I think that might solve some of the smokiness in the casino. I know that most non smokers are bothered by the smoke and I try to be aware of them when I'm smoking. I'm not a chain smoker but I do enjoy sitting on my balcony during my cruise. I always tried not to smoke too much if I knew my neighbors were outside also. Question for non smokers - was it really that bad when it was allowed on balconies?

 

 

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Funny story . I use to argue for this solution . It was always the smokers on CC who argued that it would never work and that it was a stupid idea . Now that smoking is banned, many smokers now believe that this is a great solution . So funny .

[Wooshers]

If I was a non smoker and knew there were cruise lines like Celebrity or whichever ones had Non Smoking casinos I'd cruise 100% With them if it bothered me so much....I know lots of non smokers (Ex Smokers) who still Love the smell of cigarettes even though they don't smoke anymore.....it's the hand waving and face making ones that get me.....🚬🙀

 

That's a bit like telling someone to buy a Mercedes because they don't like the tail light of a Ford. This is one aspect of the cruise that Carnival doesn't do well. They do a lot well imo but this does need to be addressed and I know Carnival knows that there is a problem.

[Pookill17]

I don't know that it's just a CCL problem. I've read posts about NCL that say the same.

 

 

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[Pyrate13]

For those mentioning drunk driving, yes, it affects others, including myself as I was in a car that was hit by a drunk killing my friend that was driving our car, and seriously injuring me. That is why it is illegal to drive drunk. Somebody sitting and drinking on the cruise does not affect someone else's health. Of course if you should choose to take issue with the drinker for some reason and incite a fight, well then that is you causing any injury.

 

If you drink so much that it causes you to become diseased or otherwise injured, that's on you and does not affect others health. Others emotions, maybe, but that is not the issue. Second hand smoke does affect other peoples health and that is where it goes over the line.

 

JMHO

[quickrate]

"I would imagine" is hardly proof for such an emphatically stated statement. I don't need to do anything, you need to provide the proof for the statements you are trying to pass off as factual.

There are several on this thread who have agreed with my statement, as one pointed out, since you are new here, you are not aware of the poeple from Carnival that read these threads. I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just stating well known facts. It also has been referenced that John Heald mentions many times on that "other" place comments that have been made here on cruise critic.

Pat

[quickrate]

For those mentioning drunk driving, yes, it affects others, including myself as I was in a car that was hit by a drunk killing my friend that was driving our car, and seriously injuring me. That is why it is illegal to drive drunk. Somebody sitting and drinking on the cruise does not affect someone else's health. Of course if you should choose to take issue with the drinker for some reason and incite a fight, well then that is you causing any injury.

 

If you drink so much that it causes you to become diseased or otherwise injured, that's on you and does not affect others health. Others emotions, maybe, but that is not the issue. Second hand smoke does affect other peoples health and that is where it goes over the line.

 

JMHO

Well said!

Pat