Rare MicCanberra Posted July 28, 2017 #1 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Facial recognition being introduced to replace passport scans. http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/public-service/facial-recognition-technology-to-replace-passport-scans-at-airports-20170726-gxjd5v.html Will this be quicker and easier or do you think it will slow things down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobby_The_Ship_Elf Posted July 28, 2017 #2 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Depends on how much weight I have put on or many dirty bananas I have had before I squint into the camera!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 28, 2017 #3 Share Posted July 28, 2017 In speed, sure it'll be faster. But it's another step in ongoing tracking, monitoring and controlling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare OzKiwiJJ Posted July 28, 2017 #4 Share Posted July 28, 2017 They track you every time you use your passport so it's not much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted July 28, 2017 Author #5 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Depends on how much weight I have put on or many dirty bananas I have had before I squint into the camera!!! Yes, pre cruise and post cruise faces can be quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted July 28, 2017 Author #6 Share Posted July 28, 2017 In speed, sure it'll be faster. But it's another step in ongoing tracking, monitoring and controlling... We have been watched for a long time already, this is a good step to make it harder for people travelling under a false passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 28, 2017 #7 Share Posted July 28, 2017 They track you every time you use your passport so it's not much different. As a single checkpoint, no. But its implementation is readily scalable to multiple points through the airport, which is part of the intention in other airports anyway already. It also makes it readily deployable further. So it's the enabler for the rest, hence another step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 28, 2017 #8 Share Posted July 28, 2017 We have been watched for a long time already, this is a good step to make it harder for people travelling under a false passport. It won't really change that. They aren't changing the technical controls in the passport, and the smartgates already conducted the same biometric checks. However, this enables it to be done quicker, and in a more automated way, with less infrastructure. That's where the change is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted July 28, 2017 Author #9 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Forging a passport is much easier than forging a face though. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=face+off+movie&view=detail&mid=CBDC15FB1DA3D07AB459CBDC15FB1DA3D07AB459&FORM=VIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 29, 2017 #10 Share Posted July 29, 2017 You still need a passport, and they still take the same biometric controls. It just doesn't need to be presented, but it's doing the same checks (and thus forgery ability) as the current smartgates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted July 29, 2017 Author #11 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Criminals known by Interpol would find it much harder to get about with this technology where as the passports may have got them through before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 30, 2017 #12 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Hardly. It's the same recognition as currently with smartgates. They're just looking up their biometric details that have been registered. If they haven't been registered i.e. don't match then they'd still go through regular processing. If they have a forged id that has been correctly registered they'd get through optical recognition. If they have a forged id that hasn't been registered they'd go through manual processing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted July 30, 2017 Author #13 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Okay, so if this isn't a better way for control who comes in or not, why do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 31, 2017 #14 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Automation, makes things cheaper as they can get rid of staff. Just like self-checkouts at supermarkets. It also makes 'upgrades' i.e. enhancements to checking easier, as they don't need to change so many policies and train people, as just upgrade the software interface. Over time they then have the hardware in place and can work to get the number of biometric passports increased. Look to the future: it can be deployed at multiple points throughout the terminal where cost and logistics aren't possible now. That's not part of immigration checking, but enables security enhancements e.g. at the entrance and exit to terminal where you can e.g. link to criminal and even just regular databases like drivers licences without it being obvious. Of itself, it's not going to increase control. But it is the enabler for higher volumes of people to be identified, which then makes it easier for other systems to add controls and then this just applies them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted July 31, 2017 Author #15 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Thanks for explaining my point which makes this so much better than the normal passport controls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 31, 2017 #16 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Oh, I thought that your point was that "criminals known by Interpol would find it harder to get about" which this isn't going to help. As said from the very beginning, this lets visual processing be done faster. That's better, but it also enables other personal trade-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted July 31, 2017 Author #17 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Oh, I thought that your point was that "criminals known by Interpol would find it harder to get about" which this isn't going to help. As said from the very beginning, this lets visual processing be done faster. That's better, but it also enables other personal trade-offs. It will make it harder as the visual processing will be done faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted July 31, 2017 #18 Share Posted July 31, 2017 It will make it harder as the visual processing will be done faster. That doesn't make it harder. If you spend say 1 minute going through smartgates, or 15 seconds through the new technology, it doesn't change the outcome, so doesn't make it harder. It might even make it easier. Criminals get more nervous the more time they have to spend being checked and interviewed, so if they just get scanned quickly and their id passes, they won't even have time to get nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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