cavcmy Posted February 24, 2006 #1 Share Posted February 24, 2006 First time HAL cruiser needs to know -- is it dam or dom? Maasdam - is it moz or maz or maus? Volendam - is it vol or vole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptoronto Posted February 24, 2006 #2 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Being a Canadian of Dutch heritage, I might be able to answer your question - I only hope that you'll understand my attempts at phonetic spelling: Maasdam - maz' dam - it's a short a sound and the s is more like a z Volendam - vole' en' dam - it's a long o sound In both cases the accent is on the first syllable - no matter what the crew will know what you're talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsawyer Posted February 24, 2006 #3 Share Posted February 24, 2006 That is the question. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhannah Posted February 24, 2006 #4 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I've heard HAL ship staff say both "dam" and "dahm" ... so I guess it depends on if you're from the north or south! John (copper10-8) or Ine can tell us, since they're Dutch and that's the origin of the names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman93 Posted February 24, 2006 #5 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I say "mahs dahm" and "zweeder dahm". I don't know if those are technically correct, but I've never been told otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhannah Posted February 24, 2006 #6 Share Posted February 24, 2006 I'm reasonably sure Zuider rhymes with cider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lauderdalebob Posted February 24, 2006 #7 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Taking the Oosterdam (pronounced as in "OH" ster dam) on 5/20 to Alaska and have taken the Zuiderdm (yes, you're correct, rhymes with cider) twice in the Caribbean (and now you can get into is it CARIB E AN or CARA BE AN?) PO TAY TOE, PA TAY TOE, "let's call the whole thing off!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sopwith Posted February 24, 2006 #8 Share Posted February 24, 2006 In Dutch the ui is pronounced like ow in English, as in "how". In other words, Zow'- der- dam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted February 24, 2006 #9 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Jim is right on; just like in this country, the Dutch have accents and even dialects depending on what part of the country they're from so you might get a different pronounciation from someone from the province of Friesland (the far north), Amsterdam in the province of Noord Holland in the west and/or the southern provinces of Brabant and Limburg. Even the inhabitants of the three big cities of Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Den Haag (the Hague) have their own accents. Prinsendam "Princen-dam" as in "Prince" Statendam "St-ah-ten-dam" as in "say Aah" Maasdam "Maahs-dam" as in "say Ahh" Ryndam "Rhine-dam" Veendam "Veyn-dam" as in "hey" Rotterdam "Rott-ehr-dam" as in Rotweiler Amsterdam "Ahm-ster-dam" Volendam "Vohl-en-dam" as in "Foal" Zaandam "Zahn-dam" as in "say Aah" Zuiderdam "Zey-der-dam" Oosterdam "Oasterdam" as in Toast but drop the "T" Westerdam "West-ehr-dam" Noordam "Nor-dam" as in More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.Oceanlover Posted February 24, 2006 #10 Share Posted February 24, 2006 the crew on the Zuiderdam last summer pronounced it Ziderdam and JHannah said. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolcruise02 Posted February 24, 2006 #11 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Ok...now what do the names mean? I read somewhere that some are for compass points and others for dams in Holland. Is this true? Westerdam-west Zuiderdam-east Noordam-north Thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhannah Posted February 24, 2006 #12 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Oosterdam is for east. Zuiderdam is for south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ine Posted February 24, 2006 #13 Share Posted February 24, 2006 QUOTE: Zuiderdam "Zey-der-dam"UNQUOTE> Almost right, unless somebody from NL can pronounce it for you, we cannot explain it. One of those other test to check who is from NL is.... Scheveningen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted February 24, 2006 #14 Share Posted February 24, 2006 Ok...now what do the names mean? I read somewhere that some are for compass points and others for dams in Holland. Is this true? Westerdam-west Zuiderdam-east Noordam-north Thanks :) Yes, most, except Prinsendam, Statendam, Ryndam and the four Vista's are names of cities originally built near dams in rivers. i.e. Amsterdam, the capitol, originated in the 12th century when a dam was built on the river Amstel. Amstel was later changed in Amster Prinsendam - based on the Princes of the House of Orange Statendam - based on the original seven Dutch provinces Maasdam - city in province Zuid Holland Ryndam - dam in the river Rhine Veendam - city in province Groningen Rotterdam - city in province Zuid Holland Amsterdam - city in province Noord Holland Volendam - city in province Noord Holland Zaandam - city in province Noord Holland Zuiderdam - compass heading south Oosterdam - compass heading east Westerdam - compass heading west Noordam - compass heading north One of those other test to check who is from NL is.... Scheveningen! The Germans couldn't say it, right Ine? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old As Dirt Mom Posted February 24, 2006 #15 Share Posted February 24, 2006 ....for all the facts on name origins and pronunciation. It is "dam" interesting. Now, as to Scheveningen, you basically start by clearing your throat like you're going to spit, and then blur all those "Ns" and vowels together in one fluid tongue movement.:p My husband has been learning Dutch from his mother-in-law over the past nineteen years. He says that any language where you tell people to "slop their liquor" (slaap lekker) when they go to bed is his kind of lingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K&RCurt Posted February 24, 2006 #16 Share Posted February 24, 2006 John /Copper: In Dutch is the W pronounced as in english or does it get a "V" sound as in German? i.e. Westerdam or Vesterdam? And also, from your point of view is the ending Dam or Dahm or does it change from ship to ship and you just have to be "in the know"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted February 24, 2006 #17 Share Posted February 24, 2006 John /Copper: In Dutch is the W pronounced as in english or does it get a "V" sound as in German? i.e. Westerdam or Vesterdam? And also, from your point of view is the ending Dam or Dahm or does it change from ship to ship and you just have to be "in the know"? Keith, the "W" is similar to English. "West" is pronounced the same in both languages. "Dam" is prounced "dam" as opposed to "daaam" Middle-aged Mom; right on with "Scheveningen" and "slaap lekker" :D Pronouncing the word "Scheveningen" was one of the methods used in WWII to verify that a person was really Dutch and not a German trying to impersonate a Dutchman because the Germans had a real hard time pronouncing it correctly:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ine Posted February 25, 2006 #18 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Pronouncing the word "Scheveningen" was one of the methods used in WWII to verify that a person was really Dutch and not a German trying to impersonate a Dutchman because the Germans had a real hard time pronouncing it correctly:D I gues besides the dutch also the german speaking Swiss can pronounce Scheveningen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HALOnlyCruiser Posted April 26, 2006 #19 Share Posted April 26, 2006 This is all so interesting! Especially where the names come from. Thank you, Copper 10-8! I bought a book on board once about HAL, and noticed they followed a custom of ending the names of cargo ships with "dyk" and passenger vessels with "dam". Or is that just coincidence? Where does that practice come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted April 26, 2006 #20 Share Posted April 26, 2006 HALonlycruiser; I have the same book I think you're talking about, a little green one called "The Holland America Line" by Peter C. Kohler. You're right, HAL's freighters (some had a few passengers berths), all had names that ended in "dyk" ("dike' in English). There were eight "B" class ships: Blommersdyk, Burgerdyk, Blijdendyk, Binnendyk, Bilderdyk, Boschdyk, Breedyk & Beemsterdyk There were four "D" class ships: Dinteldyk., Drechtdyk, Delftdyk (Dongedyk) and Damsterdyk (Dalerdyk) Then there were Andyk (ex-Groningen),Sommelsdyk and her sister Sloterdyk, Eemdyk (ex-Empire Albion), Duivendyk (ex-Vancouver), Soestdyk (same name as the queen's palace) and her sister Schiedyk, Almdyk, Diemerdyk and her sister Dinteldyk II, and lastly, Poeldyk. There were thirteen VC2-type Victory ships: Amsteldyk, Arkeldyk, Averdyk, Aalsdyk, Abbedyk, Axeldyk, Aardyk, Arnedyk, Arendsdyk, Akkrumdyk, Aagtedyk and Appingedyk (missing one ?). There were five "K" class ships: Kinderdyk, Kloosterdyk, Kerkedyk, Kamperdyk, Korendyk and Katsedyk. Unlike me, real ship connoisseurs like Stephen Card and Host Doug can correct me and/or add to this list:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HALOnlyCruiser Posted April 26, 2006 #21 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Yep, it's the same book. Maybe I should read it, huh? Wow! You sure know your stuff! Thank you for the info. And since you brought up Stephen Card, I always go up and down the forward staircases and take pictures of his paintings, copiously copying down the details on the plate to go in my cruise album. Thanks for taking the time to answer. See my new thread "Why I like HAL...". Already I need a support group for this! "Hi. My name is Cindy, and it's been 30 minutes since I checked the HAL Message Boards." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bepsf Posted April 26, 2006 #22 Share Posted April 26, 2006 You can learn about more of the HAL fleet here: http://www.unofficial.net/hal/mainindx.html Most will be listed under the "Deepsea Fleet" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bepsf Posted April 26, 2006 #23 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Yep, it's the same book. Maybe I should read it, huh?Wow! You sure know your stuff! Thank you for the info. And since you brought up Stephen Card, I always go up and down the forward staircases and take pictures of his paintings, copiously copying down the details on the plate to go in my cruise album. Thanks for taking the time to answer. See my new thread "Why I like HAL...". Already I need a support group for this! "Hi. My name is Cindy, and it's been 30 minutes since I checked the HAL Message Boards." Cindy-- You really should order Stephen's new book "The Spotless Fleet" - a compendium of his paintings for HAL - it includes descriptions of his paintings and short histories of the ships depicted. http://www.worldshipny.com/library.htm There's also a listing of other books that discuss the history of HAL: http://www.unofficial.net/hal/library1.html Enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HALOnlyCruiser Posted April 26, 2006 #24 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Brian... Thanks so much for the info on The Spotless Fleet. I am anxious to order it! Cindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Copper10-8 Posted April 27, 2006 #25 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Cindy, I hang around in the stairwells too (for that same purpose);) Those are great links, Brian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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