Black Friday any news on a sale

[pickle11]

10 minutes ago, cruiseny4life said:

 

 

There's a selection of three. Here's a hint. Go to NCL's website. Click "Find a Cruise," then sort "low to high." You can even filter for cruises of 5 - 8 day duration to more easily find the 7 day cruises.

 

Lots of cheap cruises!

Thank you.  But I prefer the west coast and only one flight.  Those deals just do not work for me.  But at those prices those ships should sail full fast.  Now lets talk Hawaii.  Give us a deal there.

Like I have mention before it is all about value.

So which cruise are you sailing on?

[BermudaBound2014]

24 minutes ago, pickle11 said:

Thank you.  But I prefer the west coast and only one flight.  Those deals just do not work for me.  But at those prices those ships should sail full fast.  Now lets talk Hawaii.  Give us a deal there.

Like I have mention before it is all about value.

So which cruise are you sailing on?

 

The deals are EVERYWHERE. And it is important to note that even with these deals the ships are not sailing full. 

 

NCLH filed with the Unites States Security Exchange Commission on Tuesday stating that they are averaging about 80% occupancy. That means that there are a few cruises sailing at max occupancy, and a few cruises sailing around 60%, but again, the AVERAGE (as admitted by NCL themselves) is right around 80%.

 

Ships are not sailing full because customer demand has not returned. I have no idea where you got the idea that NCL was self-limiting capacity on their ships, but NCL is on record with the SEC stating their load factors are not limited. Meaning, they don't have self-imposed capacity limits. The market dictates occupancy.

 

Let's talk Hawaii. I am fortunate enough to live on Maui 4 months out of the year, and even at the inflated prices of POA, cruising Hawaii is a bargain. I could cruise on NCL for the entire 4 months for cheaper than my condo/car rental. Hawaii prices will never lower due to both supply and demand and the fact that Hawaii is, well, expensive. I paid over $10 for a gallon of milk last year and shudder at what the cost will be in 2023. You simply won't find a POA cruise cheap. 

 

Since you have limited yourself to only sailing from the West coast you have limited the supply (thus increasing the demand and price), but the deals are still there. And remember, even with these deals, the ships are only averaging 80% occupancy.

 

All these sailings depart from Los Angeles:

 

Here's a nice 12 night cruise sailing from Los Angeles on the Jewell:

 

Here's a 15 night on the Bliss for under $600 if you are willing to take an inside; but only $739 in an oceanview. Those are excellent prices for a new ship and a 15 night itinerary.

 

 

If you don't like last minute, here is a 5 night Bliss sailing at the end of January. Just over $400 for a balcony. 

 

 

And keep in mind, this is limiting my search to just departing from California since you only want to sail from the west coast. Cruises from Florida are even cheaper with more options. And these are rack rates. A good TA will discount another 10-15%.

 

Did I mention that even with these prices ships are not sailing full occupancy and NCL has admitted they do not expect them to sail anywhere near full until late spring 2023?  Sadly, the problems aren't limited to NCLH and are pretty similar across all three lines. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[trish4bruce]

I did see they are offering Extra Double Points offer starting today for select 2023 sailings!

 

https://www.ncl.com/ca/en/about/terms-and-conditions/promotions?fbclid=IwAR16wmC2SqnyP-00RkvHpLaM8wiFktTFM6ZoU6Ro5FW4peY_p8b1v2neDAw

 

TWO EXTRA LATITUDES POINTS PER NIGHT ON SELECT CRUISES
Booking Window: November 9, 2022 - December 5, 2022 11:59 pm EST
Applicable sailings: Fleetwide - 3+ night sailings in 2023 only

 

 

 

[pickle11]

23 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

 

The deals are EVERYWHERE. And it is important to note that even with these deals the ships are not sailing full. 

 

NCLH filed with the Unites States Security Exchange Commission on Tuesday stating that they are averaging about 80% occupancy. That means that there are a few cruises sailing at max occupancy, and a few cruises sailing around 60%, but again, the AVERAGE (as admitted by NCL themselves) is right around 80%.

 

Ships are not sailing full because customer demand has not returned. I have no idea where you got the idea that NCL was self-limiting capacity on their ships, but NCL is on record with the SEC stating their load factors are not limited. Meaning, they don't have self-imposed capacity limits. The market dictates occupancy.

 

Let's talk Hawaii. I am fortunate enough to live on Maui 4 months out of the year, and even at the inflated prices of POA, cruising Hawaii is a bargain. I could cruise on NCL for the entire 4 months for cheaper than my condo/car rental. Hawaii prices will never lower due to both supply and demand and the fact that Hawaii is, well, expensive. I paid over $10 for a gallon of milk last year and shudder at what the cost will be in 2023. You simply won't find a POA cruise cheap. 

 

Since you have limited yourself to only sailing from the West coast you have limited the supply (thus increasing the demand and price), but the deals are still there. And remember, even with these deals, the ships are only averaging 80% occupancy.

 

All these sailings depart from Los Angeles:

 

Here's a nice 12 night cruise sailing from Los Angeles on the Jewell:

 

Here's a 15 night on the Bliss for under $600 if you are willing to take an inside; but only $739 in an oceanview. Those are excellent prices for a new ship and a 15 night itinerary.

 

 

If you don't like last minute, here is a 5 night Bliss sailing at the end of January. Just over $400 for a balcony. 

 

 

And keep in mind, this is limiting my search to just departing from California since you only want to sail from the west coast. Cruises from Florida are even cheaper with more options. And these are rack rates. A good TA will discount another 10-15%.

 

Did I mention that even with these prices ships are not sailing full occupancy and NCL has admitted they do not expect them to sail anywhere near full until late spring 2023?  Sadly, the problems aren't limited to NCLH and are pretty similar across all three lines. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Already doing a 15 night LA to Miami Dec 2.  As for the five night cruises, I need seven or more.  The 12 night Jewel to Panama why.  I'm doing the Bliss.  What good is a good deal if you can't use it.  So once again which cruise cheap cruise are you on.  

And as for corporate and finance, you only get the information they want you to know.  It is all over my head.  Just give me a good deal I can use.

[cruiseny4life]

1 hour ago, Hutcha said:

You got a Haven suite for $4,100? You need to post that in the "Best deal for Haven" thread! That's under the $300pp/pd mark.

 

To be fair, I was only comparing the actual fare of $4,498 for the first passenger to my husband and I's fare. I didn't include taxes, port fees, insurance, airfare, etc.

 

Our total fare (only) price is $3,327.65 for a HJ - Haven Suite on the Joy. If you include everything else, the price rises to an all-in total of $5727.71. Still not bad for a Haven room when you include airfare and Free at Sea gratuities. 

 

Didn't mean to make you think that was my all-in price. Sorry about that! 

[BermudaBound2014]

5 hours ago, pickle11 said:

  NCL says sailing at about 80%.  Why would they discount when they limit the number of cabins?  Supply and demand.  NCL will charge more closer to the sailing. 

 

I initially responded to these two comments from you which are both incorrect.

 

1) NCL is not limiting the number of cabins. 

2) NCL is not (on average) charging more the closer to the sailing.

 

If you want to limit yourself to only a certain amount of days, from only the west coast, and on top of that you want to sail to Hawaii (where the pOA is the only ship with permission to do that route without a foreign stop), you limit supply and thus limit demand thus increasing price. I'm sure you know this.

 

Since you asked, my next cruise is a 10 day on Celebrity in January. An extra large balcony cabin for under $900 including all taxes, all gratuity, drinks, and  $250 in OBC to spend. If you back out the drink package ($30 a day), taxes (about $30 day), and gratuity ($16 a day) the adjusted price works out to about $14 a night in a balcony with $250 to spend however I wish. The deals are not just limited to NCL.

 

Again, my initial reply was intended to correct your misconception that NCL is self-limiting the number of cabins in inventory and that they charge more the closer to sailing. None of the major lines are limiting load factors anymore and ALL lines have been reducing cost after final payment. On the vast majority of sailings it's been that way since the dawn of time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2022 by BermudaBound2014

[pickle11]

7 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

 

I initially responded to these two comments from you which are both incorrect.

 

1) NCL is not limiting the number of cabins. 

2) NCL is not (on average) charging more the closer to the sailing.

 

If you want to limit yourself to only a certain amount of days, from only the west coast, and on top of that you want to sail to Hawaii (where the pOA is the only ship with permission to do that route without a foreign stop), you limit supply and thus limit demand thus increasing price. I'm sure you know this.

 

Since you asked, my next cruise is a 10 day on Celebrity in January. An extra large balcony cabin for under $900 including all taxes, all gratuity, drinks, and  $250 in OBC to spend. If you back out the drink package ($30 a day), taxes (about $30 day), and gratuity ($16 a day) the adjusted price works out to about $14 a night in a balcony with $250 to spend however I wish. The deals are not just limited to NCL.

 

Again, my initial reply was intended to correct your misconception that NCL is self-limiting the number of cabins in inventory and that they charge more the closer to sailing. None of the major lines are limiting load factors anymore and ALL lines have been reducing cost after final payment. On the vast majority of sailings it's been that way since the dawn of time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A deal is a deal.   And you have to work to find the one that works for you.  A sale may not be a deal.   It is all about value.  Have fun on your cruise.  I know I will.  

Thank you for posting the cruises.  There are some good deals but are they sales?

[dbrown84]

1 hour ago, trish4bruce said:

I did see they are offering Extra Double Points offer starting today for select 2023 sailings!

 

https://www.ncl.com/ca/en/about/terms-and-conditions/promotions?fbclid=IwAR16wmC2SqnyP-00RkvHpLaM8wiFktTFM6ZoU6Ro5FW4peY_p8b1v2neDAw

 

TWO EXTRA LATITUDES POINTS PER NIGHT ON SELECT CRUISES
Booking Window: November 9, 2022 - December 5, 2022 11:59 pm EST
Applicable sailings: Fleetwide - 3+ night sailings in 2023 only

 

 

 

thank you so much for posting this, because it's not up on the website yet.  Since I travel on casino comps, I look out for the extras as my deal since my price is locked in at $20 per day(the admin fee).  I was waiting to book a cruise for March to see if something good came along.  With the extra 7 points (21 total for the cruise), I'll make platinum.  

[ChiefMateJRK]

9 minutes ago, dbrown84 said:

thank you so much for posting this, because it's not up on the website yet.  Since I travel on casino comps, I look out for the extras as my deal since my price is locked in at $20 per day(the admin fee).  I was waiting to book a cruise for March to see if something good came along.  With the extra 7 points (21 total for the cruise), I'll make platinum.  

That's not from the USA NCL website.

[dbrown84]

6 minutes ago, dbrown84 said:

thank you so much for posting this, because it's not up on the website yet.  Since I travel on casino comps, I look out for the extras as my deal since my price is locked in at $20 per day(the admin fee).  I was waiting to book a cruise for March to see if something good came along.  With the extra 7 points (21 total for the cruise), I'll make platinum.  

I got worried when I clicked on the link above for the double points when I saw it took me to the canadian version of the website and T&Cs.  But I checked the US version of the terms, and the promo is there also.  They just haven't updated the past guest section of the website yet

[dbrown84]

Just now, ChiefMateJRK said:

That's not from the USA NCL website.

yeah, I noticed that when I clicked on the link.  But I just did a mock booking on the US site, and it shows that you'll get the two extra points.  The US terms also show it

[ChiefMateJRK]

24 minutes ago, dbrown84 said:

The US terms also show it

Could you please post a link?  Did you actually complete a booking and receive an invoice?  I've never seen evidence of the extra points until the invoice shows up.

Edited November 9, 2022 by ChiefMateJRK

[dbrown84]

Just now, ChiefMateJRK said:

Could you please post a link?

https://www.ncl.com/about/terms-and-conditions/promotions#insiderofferonepoint

 

[dbrown84]

5 minutes ago, ChiefMateJRK said:

Could you please post a link?

and you can see it if you do a booking:

 

[ChiefMateJRK]

Thanks for posting those, but I think we may actually have to complete a booking to see what shows up on the invoice.

Edited November 9, 2022 by ChiefMateJRK

[deliver42]

I just did a mock booking for the Encore, March,24, 2024 for a balcony with the Free at Sea. The Starting price where you pick the room catagory (balcony)  is $979.99. That includes, I would think, the room  they recommend, which I accepted. Then when the invoice comes up, it starts at $1978.00 which it's been for a while. I'm not counting the add ons like gratuities for the drinks  and specialty dining or the taxes. I know they have to be added. But the starting price is either bait an switch or just plain false advertising. I tried calling my PCC, but, of course, he wasn't available.

[ChiefMateJRK]

3 minutes ago, deliver42 said:

But the starting price is either bait an switch or just plain false advertising.

The initial price is per person.  The total reflects two passengers.

[deliver42]

The black Friday sale specifies that the 2nd passenger is free. This is in block letters on their web site. I'm not new at this.

[dbrown84]

1 minute ago, ChiefMateJRK said:

The initial price is per person.  The total reflects two passengers.

but it shows that the 2nd guest cruises free promo is applied, so it shouldn't be doubling the price

[deliver42]

Exactly my point.

[ChiefMateJRK]

Okay, you're both correct.   That said, I'm certain that neither of you really thought that cruises were suddenly going to cost half as much, regardless of the marketing spin.  You've both been here long enough to know that.

[dbrown84]

2 minutes ago, deliver42 said:

Exactly my point.

yeah.  If you move to 3 or 4 guest, the price doesn't change so it's applying the 3rd/4th guest free correctly.  But definitely there is something fishy going on with the 2nd guest free promo

[dbrown84]

Just now, ChiefMateJRK said:

Okay, you're both correct.   That said, I'm certain that neither of you really thought that cruises were suddenly going to cost half as much, regardless of the marketing spin.  You've both been here long enough to know that.

no, I would have expected them to double the price of the cruise then offer the 2nd guest free, with no solo supplement.  That would be a marketing spin.  the way it is now is simply wrong.

[dbrown84]

I'l probably have to go to law school to have any chance of understanding what these terms mean, but I'd bet they will point to this to justify how they are pricing cruises with this 2nd free offer:

 

[deliver42]

I called NCL and the rude person i spoke to said whatever the invoice shows, that's it. I didn't argue, and just said good bye.