JerseyshoreBruce Posted April 20, 2010 #26 Share Posted April 20, 2010 In the order of the ships i have been on so far Mach for room and layout its by best first 1) Miracle 2) Fantasy 3)Liberty 4)Valor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdamion Posted April 20, 2010 #27 Share Posted April 20, 2010 People wish for low priced cruising. Your dreams have been answered. Just like magic. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulMedik Posted April 20, 2010 Author #28 Share Posted April 20, 2010 ................ Cheerleaders will weigh in shortly in defense. Dave85, If you hold your breath waiting, you will perish because I am the Carnival Cheerleader Captain. :D One thing we enjoyed most about Dream was the coed thermal suite rooms along with the view from those rooms. I can't imagine the experience will be anything but hot and smothering in an interior room. Dream's thermal suite is a true step up from Conquest Class' segregated by sex steam rooms, but even those have an ocean view. I can understand downsizing the gym if you observed the treadmills on sea days and assumed that there was just too many left unused, but the ones not in use were due to noise issues for the cabins below and not because there wasn't people waiting to use them. Unlike many of my fellow cheerleaders, I am not a fan of Spirit Class ships. I like larger ships, but I don't want to see Carnival recognize problems and then take actions that make the problems worse. As a shareholder, I do want to see steps taken to maximize profits, but not at the expense of reputation and value. When we were on Dream and docked in Roatan earlier this month I noticed a sleek looking boat taking off from a nearby smaller pier and I thought it looked like a nice boat; When I looked closer I realized the passengers were packed in like sardines; What looked like a sleek vessel was actually a ferry of some sort carrying passengers a short distance (I hope). If amenities and public spaces are removed from larger ships, they will then be SuperSized sardine packed ferries as well. I do not wish to own stock in Carnival Ferry Line. I'm sure it will be profitable, but not something I'd use and I only buy stock in companies I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky61 Posted April 20, 2010 #29 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Both ships have a space ratio of 36. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted April 20, 2010 #30 Share Posted April 20, 2010 In the order of the ships i have been on so far Mach for room and layout its by best first 1) Miracle 2) Fantasy 3)Liberty 4)Valor The Liberty and the Valor are both in the same class. The Conquest class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted April 20, 2010 #31 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Thats sad...i guess i will have to keep sailing the older ships.....Spirit class has so much room its not funny......I will try to stick with spirit class but if you notice they jacked up the price of the cruise a bit on the spirit class. I love the Miracle and wish they would put her back in Florida so it has good itinerarys again...hate going to Bahamas. The Miracle does cruise out of Florida from October to April. Then goes up to New York from April to October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmCruiserNC Posted April 20, 2010 #32 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Definitely looks like Magic has a smaller Serenity deck -- and looks like they relocated the steakhouse -- Actually, I don't SEE the steakhouse anywhere -- I don't think these plans are accurate --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balcony bound Posted April 20, 2010 #33 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Looks like they moved the thalassotherapy pool to the deck above it Ah, good, at least it is still there:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtalum Posted April 20, 2010 #34 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I just looked at the passenger space ratio on the Oasis expecting it to be quite a big roomier than either the Conquest Class or the Dream Class... Turns out to be the same as the Fantasy Class... :confused: To be fair, Oasis has quite a bit more outdoor space than any other ship and that outdoor space is not included in the gross registered tonnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyshoreBruce Posted April 20, 2010 #35 Share Posted April 20, 2010 The Liberty and the Valor are both in the same class. The Conquest class. Thats true but the Liberty seemed less crowded...i don't like either of them really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyshoreBruce Posted April 20, 2010 #36 Share Posted April 20, 2010 The Miracle does cruise out of Florida from October to April. Then goes up to New York from April to October. I only can cruise in the summer due to having 2 kids in school still....when they are done for good i will cruise once in Sept. and once in March or April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted April 20, 2010 #37 Share Posted April 20, 2010 It's not always about the numbers. So what are ya tryin to say:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunu Posted April 20, 2010 #38 Share Posted April 20, 2010 So what are ya tryin to say:confused: How should I know:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazzledrazzle16 Posted April 20, 2010 #39 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I thought I heard somewhere that there were more decks on the Magic??? Maybe not... I don't know... it seems like there is a piece of the puzzle missing, especially since there hasn't been much released about the ship. I'll wait for more information before I decide to write off the Magic or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted April 20, 2010 #40 Share Posted April 20, 2010 I thought I heard somewhere that there were more decks on the Magic??? Maybe not... I don't know... it seems like there is a piece of the puzzle missing, especially since there hasn't been much released about the ship. I'll wait for more information before I decide to write off the Magic or not. Same number of decks as the Dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted April 20, 2010 #41 Share Posted April 20, 2010 Definitely looks like Magic has a smaller Serenity deck -- and looks like they relocated the steakhouse -- Actually, I don't SEE the steakhouse anywhere -- I don't think these plans are accurate --- The Steakhouse is on Deck 5 aft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted April 20, 2010 #42 Share Posted April 20, 2010 How should I know:confused: You're right.......what was I thinking:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Mach* Posted April 20, 2010 #43 Share Posted April 20, 2010 In the order of the ships i have been on so far Mach for room and layout its by best first 1) Miracle 2) Fantasy 3)Liberty 4)Valor The Spirit Class have quite a bit of room... the passenger space ratio is 41 to 1... I know that the Fantasy Class has the lowest passenger space ratio but you really can't tell it. Perhaps it's the layout of the ship. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencercoop Posted April 20, 2010 #44 Share Posted April 20, 2010 The Spirit Class have quite a bit of room... the passenger space ratio is 41 to 1... I know that the Fantasy Class has the lowest passenger space ratio but you really can't tell it. Perhaps it's the layout of the ship. :) It might be the layout. When I was on the Elation it didn't feel crowded at all. The Lido deck restaurant on the Fantasy class ships is bigger than the one on the Spirit class ships. Fantasy Class: 772 Spirit Class: 460 I wonder why the decreased the seating so much when there are about 200 more people on the Spirit class ships. Same with some other areas on the ship: Main Lounge: Fantasy: 1300 - Spirit: 1167 Casino: Fantasy: 450 - Spirit: 278 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokergirl34 Posted April 21, 2010 #45 Share Posted April 21, 2010 ... I know that the Fantasy Class has the lowest passenger space ratio but you really can't tell it. Perhaps it's the layout of the ship. :) I totally agree. Now, I have limited experience with my only recollections of Lido buffet areas being from 2 ships - Elation and Valor, but the Elation was much easier to navigate the area and find seats. We just didn't bother on the Valor unless we were there just as it opened. We were on the Elation in July when it was very busy but on the Valor in late October when there were fewer passengers. After our first port day when we weren't able to get a dang danish off the buffet we ordered room service for breakfast. There was no way to get breakfast just before going into port, unless you gave yourself an hour or so. If I have that much time, I'll be in the MDR. Of course we are going back on a Conquest class ship this summer when all the kids will be there :rolleyes: so we won't even bother with the buffet except at embarkation lunch and maybe a sea day (gotta get those fish n' chips). We never ever felt crowded on the Elation at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan40 Posted April 21, 2010 #46 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Space ratio is a fooler. It would seem that a ship with a space ratio of 44 would be much roomier than one with a space ratio of 28. And, in a way it is, but how important is that space? A space ratio of 44 means that there is 4400 CUBIC FEET for each passenger compared to 2800 cubic feet per passenger. 1600 more cubic feet per passenger, that seems important. But since about 95% of all humans would take up about 24 cubic feet each. There is plenty of space with either number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunu Posted April 21, 2010 #47 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Depends how big the humans are dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurbanfan Posted April 21, 2010 #48 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Space ratio is a fooler. It would seem that a ship with a space ratio of 44 would be much roomier than one with a space ratio of 28. And, in a way it is, but how important is that space? A space ratio of 44 means that there is 4400 CUBIC FEET for each passenger compared to 2800 cubic feet per passenger. 1600 more cubic feet per passenger, that seems important. But since about 95% of all humans would take up about 24 cubic feet each. There is plenty of space with either number. Layout plays a big part........everyone bitches about how small Princess cabins are........but I love the layout which makes them seem so much roomier..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan40 Posted April 21, 2010 #49 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Depends how big the humans are dan. 4 ft. wide X 4 ft. thick X 7 ft tall still only equals 112 cf. And most of us can still fit in a space that large, or small, depending on one's outlook. That's today! In a few years, maybe not.:eek::rolleyes::p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunu Posted April 21, 2010 #50 Share Posted April 21, 2010 Depends how tall everyone is too dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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