Epic reviews are looking very positive

[Mr. Luckytoo]

It just boggles the mind that someone goes on a cruise vacation and even pays the slightest attention to the sink and faucet layout. How ridiculous is that?

 

Please explain the recent REPLACEMENT of the faucets on the Epic. Spending tens of thousands of dollars logically implies an issue

 

If the casino is smoky--and the only one I've seen that hasn't been was on smoke-free Renaissance--just walk on the public deck that doesn't have the casino. Telling me the casino was smoky is like telling me the ocean was wet.

 

Once again more MISINFORMATION. Celebrity Cruise lines has a NO SMOKING policy in their casinos on ALL THEIR SHIPS, unlike the Epic casino in which you clothing will reek of smoke after spending a few hours in there. :mad:

[jake54321]

Please explain the recent REPLACEMENT of the faucets on the Epic. Spending tens of thousands of dollars logically implies an issue

 

 

 

Once again more MISINFORMATION. Celebrity Cruise lines has a NO SMOKING policy in their casinos on ALL THEIR SHIPS, unlike the Epic casino in which you clothing will reek of smoke after spending a few hours in there. :mad:

 

 

But Mr.Lucky...why go on a ship where you know smoking is permitted in the casino, and then complain about it ?

[mistyPA]

Dear MistyPA - you are right, you don't get it. Please provide a quote from me that stated I had an awful time on the Epic. You won't find one because you ASSUME things about others. Did you read my review in the review section? How many stars did I give the Epic? Maybe once you understand the entire picture you might 'get it'.

 

 

 

I agree with you, why go somewhere or do something you believe will not be enjoyable? Please show me where I had written anything remotely negative about the Epic prior to my cruise - I'll save you the time; I didn't.

 

 

 

So you admit that some people choose to ignore facets of a ship that they find bothersome. That's fine but it's not a review and it certainly does nothing to help someone in the future who may be bothered by the same issue(s).

 

 

 

Obviously the fauct issue was important enough that NCL felt the need to spend thousands of dollars replacing them? :confused: I guess you understanding of an issue isn't up to the level of the company? As for a crowded buffet area I never had an issue. Please find a written quote where I complained about an overcrowded buffet? I don't do buffet's. In fact I RECOMMENDED eating breakfast at O'Sheehans. Had you read my review you would have known that.

 

 

 

Had you actually read any of my review you would have noticed that I had covered most of those issues. With this thread I choose a 5+ review from a CC member, Collie 6570, as an example. The issues that you stated were important, 'Commenting on the noise on the decks surrounding the casino is a valid point, having to wait in a line for a reservation is an important point (though on any other ship I have been on...if I wanted a good seat I had to get to the theater 30 minutes early). The layout is important, the service and quality of the food is important' really weren't addressed were they? That reviewer noted that they didn't like the smoke in the casino so, just walk around it...Some are saying the rooms are too small. I suggest you lose weight or splurge for a Garden Villa and you will not have this problem.

What I did was to simply state that the reviewer didn't post a proper review but merely a combination of snarky replies to obvious problems with the ship such as poor ventilation in the smoky casinos and industry non-standard small rooms.

 

Can these issues be 'overcome'? Most certainly - I know I did. Does having to put up with these flaws decrease a person's ability to enjoy their cruising experience? Or properly stated, should people who pay thousands of dollars be willing to 'settle' for sub optimal conditions? Only each individual person can answer that for themselves as it appears that people have different standards. But then again ...[/b]

That's why we're here :cool:

 

So a person must write a review the way you wrote the review for it to be valid. Well, I guess you don't get my point...every person is entitled to what is important to them and what is not important to them...that is why I read so many reviews on the CC board. It is because we are all different and because of that many different things concern many different people. Therefore, I hope to attain knowledge based on many people's perceptions not on one person who is going to scrutinize the definition of "review" and comment on how so many people "review" incorrectly. Last I knew, no one was being paid to offer their opinion or review if you will.

 

I don't know what time you had on the cruise, but having read many of your statements it is very hard for me to believe you had a good time. I hate to see what you would have to say if you didn't have a good time. I hope you did enjoy yourself. I just don't get the need to review the review.

[mistyPA]

Oh and I am sorry about the negative comments about the ship prior to sailing I was confusing you with another...I believe lusitanica. So, MrLuckytoo, I was not ASSUMING I was confusing you with another.

[mistyPA]

This is the most thoughtful posting on this board in months. But I expect it will whoosh right over MrLuckyToo's head because he is too busy obsessing over faucets and sinks.

 

It just boggles the mind that someone goes on a cruise vacation and even pays the slightest attention to the sink and faucet layout. How ridiculous is that? Do you cruise to inspect sinks? If the casino is smoky--and the only one I've seen that hasn't been was on smoke-free Renaissance--just walk on the public deck that doesn't have the casino. Telling me the casino was smoky is like telling me the ocean was wet.

 

I'm with you, mistyPA, on the specialty restaurants. If you don't want to patronize them just go to the main dining rooms and other free venues that are just like what was offered before the coming of specialty restaurants. To be able to have the incredible choice of cuisines that NCL offers, to me, is very much worth the modest charges they ask. When someone complains that there were more surcharged restaurants than free ones, my eyes just roll. Why in the world would anyone think it's better to have two main dining rooms and no or one or two specialty restaurants than to have six or seven specialty restaurants? If you don't want to go to one or two, seems to me there should be no issue in not going to six or seven.

 

To some people, apparently it's a matter of pride to find faults. Makes them feel superior, in some strange way, to report a 'gotcha.' These people must cruise, as misty PA so incisively wrote above, to "scrutinize a ship for negative points." MrLuckyToo clearly belongs in this camp. What sets him apart is that he clings to these negatives long after any rational human being would have let them go.

 

Thanks!

[lusitanica]

Oh and I am sorry about the negative comments about the ship prior to sailing I was confusing you with another...I believe lusitanica. So, MrLuckytoo, I was not ASSUMING I was confusing you with another.

 

Can anyone stop these haters and personal attackers on this message board?

 

Who these rules are posted for?

 

Cruise Critic is committed to providing an online environment that is free from these types of harassing postings. Please, don't attack another poster or group of posters. Do not harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to another member that is unwanted. This means: don't say bad things about them, don't keep sending them unwanted Instant Message notes, don't attack their race, heritage, or their sexual orientation, etc. If you disagree with someone, respond to the subject, not the person. Postings of this nature will be removed from the boards.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

But Mr.Lucky...why go on a ship where you know smoking is permitted in the casino, and then complain about it ?

 

Jake many of the mass market cruiselines allow smoking in their casino's. To my knowledge only Celebrity has a non-smoking policy.

 

Why complain about it? I posted my personal observations that unlike the casino on the Golden Princess, unlike the casino on the Navigator of the Seas, etc., the smoke on the Epic was muh more prevalent. The ventilation systems were (a) not fully working when I sailed or (b) inadequate for the size of the casino.

 

Non-smokers should not have to be exposed to toxic second hand smoke. Don't you think people who have asthma or other respiratory disorders should be made aware of this potential problem? If the airlines deem that smoking is not permitted in their enclosed cabins I see no need that cruiselines should allow this as well - this statement applies to RCI, CCL, Princess as well as NCL.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

So a person must write a review the way you wrote the review for it to be valid. Well, I guess you don't get my point...every person is entitled to what is important to them and what is not important to them...that is why I read so many reviews on the CC board. It is because we are all different and because of that many different things concern many different people. Therefore, I hope to attain knowledge based on many people's perceptions not on one person who is going to scrutinize the definition of "review" and comment on how so many people "review" incorrectly. Last I knew, no one was being paid to offer their opinion or review if you will.

 

A person can write any type of review that they wish. I AGREE with you that everyone is entitled to their opinions and that was MY point about the OP and review in this thread. People have different standards and therefore we have different levels of like and dislike. My point is that whenever anyone posts something that people construe as a 'negative' such as faulty faucets/sinks or inadequate ventilation in the smokey casino, they are attacked, berated and belittled.

 

Reading a review from an anoymous poster who writes, 'the pool was huge and not crowded' means what? If that poster has a 3x3 plastic pool in their yard then yes the Epic swimming pools are huge. Compared to pools on other cruise ships the Epic pools are small - that is a fact.

 

I don't know what time you had on the cruise, but having read many of your statements it is very hard for me to believe you had a good time.

 

Had you taken the time to read my review, posted on the Review page, you would have known, but you would rather assume the worst rather than make the effort to read what I had stated.

 

I just don't get the need to review the review.

Originally Posted by mistyPA

I truly don't get it Mr Lucky

Unfortunatley you seem to read factual posts and infer/assume the worst; maybe if you did a little homework you might understand.

[coffeebean]

...Celebrity Cruise lines has a NO SMOKING policy in their casinos on ALL THEIR SHIPS, unlike the Epic casino in which you clothing will reek of smoke after spending a few hours in there. :mad:

How is the NO SMOKING policy in all Celebrity's casinos going? Is Celebrity doing as much business in their casinos as other cruise lines who still allow smoking? Too bad I find Celebrity very regimented and "stuffy" with their dress code.

 

Atlantic City casinos still have not gone totally smoke free...the gaming industry is claiming they would lose money if that goes into effect. Personally, I would love it if casinos were smoke free (I quit smoking cigarettes in 2005). However, cigarette smoke will never stop me from spending time in casinos as it doesn't bother me in the least.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

How is the NO SMOKING policy in all Celebrity's casinos going? Is Celebrity doing as much business in their casinos as other cruise lines who still allow smoking? Too bad I find Celebrity very regimented and "stuffy" with their dress code.

 

Atlantic City casinos still have not gone totally smoke free...the gaming industry is claiming they would lose money if that goes into effect. Personally, I would love it if casinos were smoke free (I quit smoking cigarettes in 2005). However, cigarette smoke will never stop me from spending time in casinos as it doesn't bother me in the least.

 

coffeebean - I couldn't tell you about the profit/loss statements from the Celebrity casinos. All I can report is that I don't need to send my sportsjackets to the dry cleaners after being on the Equinox; I had to send all my clothes to the dry cleaner after my Epic cruise...

 

Atlantic City is much more strict on smoking than Vegas, Biloxi, Tunica, etc., With all the increased competition from the slot pallors in Pennsylvania AC wants to do as little as possible to keep from losing customers. Personally I believe that a total smoking ban on the casino floors is only a matter of time and this is something I would really welcome! I'm glad that people blowing second hand smoke in your face doesn't bother you. For me and many others fresh air is much appreciated. :cool:

[Planer's Edge]

 

But Mr.Lucky...why go on a ship where you know smoking is permitted in the casino, and then complain about it ?

 

You assume he was really on the Epic? Besides it all seems to be sport to this person. Just another Celebrity fan out for the fun of bashing NCL, the lowly 8% market share cruise line that has so many people undies in a bunch. :eek:

 

PE

[jake54321]

You assume he was really on the Epic? Besides it all seems to be sport to this person. Just another Celebrity fan out for the fun of bashing NCL' date=' the lowly 8% market share cruise line that has so many people undies in a bunch. :eek:[/color']

 

PE

 

 

Planer's Edge,

 

Very good point.

[Mr. Luckytoo]

You assume he was really on the Epic?

PE

 

Yes I was there. Since you WEREN'T on the ship I was wondering if you could tell me if NCL has finally finished the bowling alley next to O'Sheehans? :confused:

 

 

 

But since YOU haven't sailed on the Epic maybe you needed to

see another picture of the opaque bathroom sliding door?

 

 

Or how about the Epic deck in the middle of the North Atlantic?

 

[Planer's Edge]

Nice photographs of the Epic. I have seen a lot of them all over the internet.;)

 

PE

[Mr. Luckytoo]

Nice photographs of the Epic. I have seen a lot of them all over the internet.;)

 

PE

 

So that means other people are using my photos of the unfinished Epic as well? I wonder how they got into my cabin and took a photo of my wife n the bathroom? Interesting....:cool:

 

BTW thanks for not disputing the FACTS.

[sjbdtz]

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But since YOU haven't sailed on the Epic maybe you needed to

see another picture of the opaque bathroom sliding door?

 

 

 

Here's one. I took this. It was opaque. Could NOT tell there was someone on the other side of it, that's why we did door 1/2-open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So that means other people are using my photos of the unfinished Epic as well? I wonder how they got into my cabin and took a photo of my wife n the bathroom? Interesting....:cool:

 

BTW thanks for not disputing the FACTS.

 

Your facts, aren't.

 

If you claimed that the glass in cabin xxxxxxx was only semi-opaque, I would agree with you. But since you claim as fact that they're all transparent, well then you get called-out. Because you're wrong.

 

Maybe 14151 was the only opaque glass on the ship, but I doubt it.

[Jerseyboy1]

- they just changed the faucets on the ship so now everything is PERFECT! :p

 

Chiming in....♪..♫..♪

 

Oh yes, spending money for faucets on a several months-old ship. Can't wait for someone to state that that's 'standard' to the cruise industry.

 

Too bad they can't replace the bathroom and shower in the cabins. There's nothing 'standard' about that set-up. It's just weird. My opinion....

 

Chiming out.....♫..♪..♫

[coffeebean]

Here's one. I took this. It was opaque. Could NOT tell there was someone on the other side of it, that's why we did door 1/2-open.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your facts, aren't.

 

If you claimed that the glass in cabin xxxxxxx was only semi-opaque, I would agree with you. But since you claim as fact that they're all transparent, well then you get called-out. Because you're wrong.

 

Maybe 14151 was the only opaque glass on the ship, but I doubt it.

I can't imagine different type of glass (opaque) was used in certain cabins and another type (semi opaque) of glass in other cabins. Could the difference be that the light was on in the toilet room in Mr. Luckytoo's picture and the light was off in the toilet room in Stephen's picture???

 

I was thinking about this yesterday....(Silly thing to think about, don't you think?) Anyway...With the opaque/semi opaque glass in the toilet room and the shower room, it's going to be really nice to have natural light coming into these two rooms during the day. It will be like having windows in the shower room and the toilet room. In all 30+ cruises I have been on with nearly as many cruise ships, I have never had a window in the bathroom. This is really going to be great!!! What an absolute genius idea the "bathroom" design is. I just know I'm going to love it.

[coffeebean]

Sorry Steven but I don't know of too many people who use the bathroom and don't turn the light on like you did with you photo. I guess you like being on the toilet in the dark?

 

Unlike you I took my photo under NORMAL OPERATING CONDITIONS - with the bathroom light on.

 

 

 

Once again YOU are wrong Stevie. In case you don't remember why don't you go back to my ORIGINAL THREAD where I first mentioned how TRANSLUCENT the doors are.

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1228407&highlight=epic+disappointment&page=3

 

You posted your 'trick photo's' on page 3 and other CC members called you out on it in subsequent pages.

 

 

 

For someone who claims to possess superior communication skills I will post commonly accepted definitions:

 

trans·lu·cent

–adjective

1. permitting light to pass through but diffusing it so that persons, objects, etc., on the opposite side are not clearly visible: Frosted window glass is translucent but not transparent.

2. easily understandable; lucid: a translucent explication.

3. clear; transparent: translucent seawater

THIS is what I stated the toilet doors are

 

 

opaque

–adjective

1. not transparent or translucent; impenetrable to light; not allowing light to pass through.

2. not transmitting radiation, sound, heat, etc.

3. not shining or bright; dark; dull.

4. hard to understand; not clear or lucid; obscure: The problem remains opaque despite explanations.

5. dull, stupid, or unintelligent.

This is what YOU claim the doors on the Epic toilets are. I guess when you don't turn a light on someone might 'think' it's opaque. However the glass doors are NOT opaque - FACT.

 

Something in room 14151 may have been opaque but it wasn't the glass sliding door.

I stand corrected about my previous post. Just read this now. I guess the doors on Epic aren't opaque because they let the light pass through. I'm so glad they are translucent. I want the natural daylight to pass through. As I just said in my previous post....it will be like having windows in the toilet and shower rooms during the day and I won't need to put the light on.

[Anumi]

WOW...some people just never give up...still bickering like children over the smallest of issues :rolleyes: Came to these boards hoping to find informative posts about the ship I plan to have a wonderful time on...not this childish crap about he-said-she-said. I think I've gathered enough info from here and Im done. Thanks to those who truly did give informative posts that helped me, to the others...I hope you grow up soon.

[jmcdon7230]

WOW...some people just never give up...still bickering like children over the smallest of issues :rolleyes: Came to these boards hoping to find informative posts about the ship I plan to have a wonderful time on...not this childish crap about he-said-she-said. I think I've gathered enough info from here and Im done. Thanks to those who truly did give informative posts that helped me, to the others...I hope you grow up soon.

 

Over the years CC has gotten worse and worse concerning the bickering "over the smallest of issues" until it's almost to the point of absurdity. Check out this thread: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1281547

[Planer's Edge]

Over the years CC has gotten worse and worse concerning the bickering "over the smallest of issues" until it's almost to the point of absurdity. Check out this thread: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1281547

 

...and some people love to keep the pot stirred. :confused:

 

PE

[salty dingo]

Could the negative posts and negative videos actually be helping more to know about her and lead to more bookings?

Interesting question, and very possible. Who knows what wacky thoughts people have in their heads?

 

Here are my thoughts on this as an observer from a distance:

1. People who have committed to going (bought non-refundable air tickets, can't change vacation days, etc.) are going to have a positive slant, unless they are just a negative person.
   
2. People who have cruised, for the most part, are going to be reluctant to say they did not have a great time. Many will, of course, but most people don't like to make mistakes and admit they made a wrong choice, so I see a majority of past cruisers are going to have a positive slant.
   
3. The TRUE test, which can NEVER be found in a review, will be found in repeat bookings. When next year rolls around, how many people will be booking again on Epic? Will it ever reach the cult status that Disney has?
   

The fate of the mega ships won't really be known for a few years, when the "new" factor is gone and people choose whether or not to come back, and what they tell their friends and family about this ship.

 

My gut feeling is that Epic is not going to do well in the long run, compared to the smaller ships that came before her. I think Epic will eventually be the bottom of the barrel, and not because newer and bigger ships will be built to upstage her (just the opposite.) But only time will tell. I'll wait.

[bahamaman]

Here is the deal... I liked our Epic cruise so much (Eastern Carib in July) that I booked on Epic for April 2011 - Western Carib. So yeah, there are people out there who enjoyed Epic and would do it again!:D

[DocJohnB]

Interesting question, and very possible. Who knows what wacky thoughts people have in their heads?

 

Here are my thoughts on this as an observer from a distance:

1. People who have committed to going (bought non-refundable air tickets, can't change vacation days, etc.) are going to have a positive slant, unless they are just a negative person.
   
2. People who have cruised, for the most part, are going to be reluctant to say they did not have a great time. Many will, of course, but most people don't like to make mistakes and admit they made a wrong choice, so I see a majority of past cruisers are going to have a positive slant.
   
3. The TRUE test, which can NEVER be found in a review, will be found in repeat bookings. When next year rolls around, how many people will be booking again on Epic? Will it ever reach the cult status that Disney has?
   

The fate of the mega ships won't really be known for a few years, when the "new" factor is gone and people choose whether or not to come back, and what they tell their friends and family about this ship.

 

My gut feeling is that Epic is not going to do well in the long run, compared to the smaller ships that came before her. I think Epic will eventually be the bottom of the barrel, and not because newer and bigger ships will be built to upstage her (just the opposite.) But only time will tell. I'll wait.

Very interesting observation. Makes sense.