Jones Act & Princess

[Baileybasset]

We are taking a Princess Coastal in May 2013 from Los Angeles to Vancouver and wanted to extend the cruise to Alaska ending in Anchorage or returning to Vancouver. Alaska dates are not yet posted, but when they are, would we be able to book a second cruise on a different Princess or other line's ship that departs the same day? Or is an overnight in Vancouver required? And how would a Seattle cruise embarkment figure into all of this?:confused:

[GrumpaTom]

As long as you change ships in Vancouver, even same day, you would be safe. You might be able to do the round trip on the same ship that ends in Vancouver.

 

You just can not take the same ship from one US city and depart in another US city (L.A. to Anchorage or LA to Seattle for example)

[fleckle]

We are taking a Princess Coastal in May 2013 from Los Angeles to Vancouver and wanted to extend the cruise to Alaska ending in Anchorage or returning to Vancouver. Alaska dates are not yet posted, but when they are, would we be able to book a second cruise on a different Princess or other line's ship that departs the same day?

Yes. A different ship departing the same day and ending in Anchorage would be fine.

 

The same ship departing the same day and returning to Vancouver would be fine, as long as you disembark in Vancouver. (In other words, you can continue on the same ship from LA and Vancouver north to Anchorage as long as you then ride it back down to Vancouver and disembark there.)

 

Or is an overnight in Vancouver required?

An overnight in Vanouver would be required only if you were continuing on the same ship and disembarking at an Anchorage port (Whittier or Seward).

 

And how would a Seattle cruise embarkment figure into all of this?:confused:

Not sure what you mean here. If you are talking about getting off the original ship from LA in Vancouver, transferring to Seattle, and then taking a different cruise out of Seattle, that would be fine too.

[scottbee]

We are taking a Princess Coastal in May 2013 from Los Angeles to Vancouver and wanted to extend the cruise to Alaska ending in Anchorage or returning to Vancouver. Alaska dates are not yet posted, but when they are, would we be able to book a second cruise on a different Princess or other line's ship that departs the same day? Or is an overnight in Vancouver required? And how would a Seattle cruise embarkment figure into all of this?:confused:

 

Firstly the Jones Act doesn't apply, unless you're talking about cargo; what does apply though is the Passenger Vessel Services Act [PVSA].

 

The rules under the PVSA is that a passenger on a foreign [same] ship on a one way US domestic itinerary most make a 'foreign distant port'; Canada/Mexico/Caribbean/Central America don't count. On a closed loop, there's no foreign distant port requirement

 

If you stay on the same ship, your entire itinerary is considered a single sailing, even if it's booked as two cruises

 

So;

 

ALLOWED

LA-Vancouver: allowed (not a US domestic itinerary)

Seattle-Alaska-Vancouver-Seattle: allowed (closed loop)

LA-Vancouver-Alaska-Vancouver: allowed (not a US domestic itinerary)

Miami-Cartagena,Columbia-Panama-LA: allowed (one way; Cartagena Columbia is a foreign distant port)

 

NOT ALLOWED

LA-Vancouver-Alaska: NOT allowed (one way, w/o a foreign distant port)

Miami-Panama-LA: NOT allowed (one way, w/o a foreign distant port)

 

 

clear as mud now?

[Underwatr]

NOT ALLOWED

Miami-Panama-LA: NOT allowed (one way, w/o a foreign distant port)

Which is why a full Panama Canal transit will always call on Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao or a South American port shuch as Cartagena. Panama doesn't count because it's in Central America and therefore not "distant."

[wrp96]

NOT ALLOWED

LA-Vancouver-Alaska: NOT allowed (one way, w/o a foreign distant port)

 

One more that isn't allowed, that might be what the OP was asking when he mentioned Seattle embarkment.

 

LA-Vancouver-Seattle-Alaska-Seattle - not allowed

[Putterdude]

We are taking a Princess Coastal in May 2013 from Los Angeles to Vancouver and wanted to extend the cruise to Alaska ending in Anchorage or returning to Vancouver. Alaska dates are not yet posted, but when they are, would we be able to book a second cruise on a different Princess or other line's ship that departs the same day? Or is an overnight in Vancouver required? And how would a Seattle cruise embarkment figure into all of this?:confused:

 

So long as you change ships in Vancouver you will be OK. You will not be allowed to sail from LA to Seattle on the same ship, even with a stop in Vancouver or Victoria. So if you were thinking of a Seattle - Alaska 7 day itinerary you would have to change ships in Vancouver or make a transfer to Seattle then you would be OK. As pointed out previously the act governing this matter is the Passenger Vessel Services Act or PVSA, however it often gets confused with the Jones Act which is relates matters concerning cargo ships and cabotage.

[Keith1010]

We are taking a Princess Coastal in May 2013 from Los Angeles to Vancouver and wanted to extend the cruise to Alaska ending in Anchorage or returning to Vancouver. Alaska dates are not yet posted, but when they are, would we be able to book a second cruise on a different Princess or other line's ship that departs the same day? Or is an overnight in Vancouver required? And how would a Seattle cruise embarkment figure into all of this?:confused:

 

In short, you can book another cruise on another Princess ship or any other cruise line leaving that day and that includes going on land from Vancouver over to Seattle to catch another cruise.

 

Keith

[Cuizer2]

Firstly the Jones Act doesn't apply, unless you're talking about cargo; what does apply though is the Passenger Vessel Services Act [PVSA].

 

The rules under the PVSA is that a passenger on a foreign [same] ship on a one way US domestic itinerary most make a 'foreign distant port'; Canada/Mexico/Caribbean/Central America don't count. On a closed loop, there's no foreign distant port requirement

 

If you stay on the same ship, your entire itinerary is considered a single sailing, even if it's booked as two cruises

 

So;

 

ALLOWED

LA-Vancouver: allowed (not a US domestic itinerary)

Seattle-Alaska-Vancouver-Seattle: allowed (closed loop)

LA-Vancouver-Alaska-Vancouver: allowed (not a US domestic itinerary)

Miami-Cartagena,Columbia-Panama-LA: allowed (one way; Cartagena Columbia is a foreign distant port)

 

NOT ALLOWED

LA-Vancouver-Alaska: NOT allowed (one way, w/o a foreign distant port)

Miami-Panama-LA: NOT allowed (one way, w/o a foreign distant port)

 

 

clear as mud now?

 

Everything in this post is correct.

[Baileybasset]

Thank you all for your concise information. It really helped us to clear our brains and become less confused. We now understand how to proceed with the Alaska leg of our trip.