Are Casinos open in Chilean waters?

[ibfishing2]

Has anyone heard if the ship Casinos are now open in Chilean waters?

[CruiserBruce]

Yes, after sailing a pre-determined distance from port. 3 or maybe 12 miles.

[ibfishing2]

Yes, after sailing a pre-determined distance from port. 3 or maybe 12 miles.

Thank you. It's nice to know that they loosened their law.

[Keith1010]

Yes, after sailing a pre-determined distance from port. 3 or maybe 12 miles.

 

Bruce,is your answer a general answer or specific to Chili.

 

The reason I ask is that for a number of years cruise ships have been prohibited from having their casinos open when sailing these waters and the latest status I had was from 2010. I know there was talk about lifting this ban but am not sure whether or not that was done.

 

Keith

[boogs]

Bruce,is your answer a general answer or specific to Chili.

 

The reason I ask is that for a number of years cruise ships have been prohibited from having their casinos open when sailing these waters and the latest status I had was from 2010. I know there was talk about lifting this ban but am not sure whether or not that was done.

 

Keith

 

They were open shortly after leaving Chilean ports on our cruise up the coast from Valparaiso, Chile in March 2009 on the Infinity. We stopped in La Serena and Arica, both in Chile. Casino was open for business on every night.

[navybankerteacher]

Yes, after sailing a pre-determined distance from port. 3 or maybe 12 miles.

 

Then they are not in Chilean waters.

[cruisemainiac]

Has anyone heard if the ship Casinos are now open in Chilean waters?

 

As Lou Costello might remark,"What does cold water got to do with the casinos being open?"

[boogs]

Then they are not in Chilean waters.

 

Well, yes and no. There are two zones as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. The first is the Territorial Sea which extends 12 miles from the coastal baseline (usually the mean low-water mark). The second is an exclusive Economic Zone which extends from the outer limit of the Territorial Sea to a maximum of 200 nautical miles (370.4 km) from the territorial sea baseline. A coastal nation has control of all economic resources within its exclusive economic zone, including fishing, mining, oil exploration, and any pollution of those resources. However, it cannot prohibit passage or loitering above, on, or under the surface of the sea if it is in compliance with the laws and regulations adopted by the coastal State in accordance with the provisions of the UN Convention, within that portion of its exclusive economic zone beyond its territorial sea.

 

In short, a country has economic rights to what is mined, pumped or fished from the waters 200 miles off it's coast. It does not, however, have economic rights over what happens ABOVE the water within those 200 miles as long as it is outside the 12 mile Territorial zone. Gambling is thus exempt from the country's control outside it's Territorial Zone.

[Keith1010]

i know of cruise lines that had their casinos closed when sailing off of Chili. I was trying last night to see if they had overturned the law they have in Chili and couldn't find it but the article I know found seems to imply that the law is still in place.

 

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/21/weak-dollar-strong-peso-batters-chilean-tourism-industry

 

To the original poster, I would post on the cruise line board for the line that you are booked on to see what the most recent experiences were of passengers who sailed a similar itinerary earlier this year.

 

Keith

[boogs]

i know of cruise lines that had their casinos closed when sailing off of Chili. I was trying last night to see if they had overturned the law they have in Chili and couldn't find it but the article I know found seems to imply that the law is still in place.

 

http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/21/weak-dollar-strong-peso-batters-chilean-tourism-industry

 

To the original poster, I would post on the cruise line board for the line that you are booked on to see what the most recent experiences were of passengers who sailed a similar itinerary earlier this year.

 

Keith

 

Here is a quote from Yogonet.com, an internet source of gambling news based in Argentina:

 

"The current legislation prevents foreign ships to operate their casinos in Chilean territorial waters (12 miles from the line of the coast), a fact that has had an effect in the decrease of the 40% that has experimented the arrival of cruises in the country in the last two years, preventing the growth of the arrival of tourists."

 

This is consistent with my observation that the casinos were open soon after departing Valparaiso, La Serena, and Arica in March 2009. It is important to note that the current gambling laws consider the "Chilean Waters" as their 12 mile Territorial Seas and not their 200 mile Economic Zone. The difference is at least eight hours as to when the casinos could be opened.

 

The amendments being considered would at a minimum allow gambling in the 12 mile Territorial Seas zone, and possibly even while the ship is docked.

[ibfishing2]

I really appreciate the help and info offered. I go in January and hope that on sea days, that the casinos are open.

[Keith1010]

I really appreciate the help and info offered. I go in January and hope that on sea days, that the casinos are open.

 

If you can think of it, please post after you return and let us know what your experience was. Have a great time.

 

Keith

[SantaFeFan]

Here is a quote from Yogonet.com, an internet source of gambling news based in Argentina:

 

"The current legislation prevents foreign ships to operate their casinos in Chilean territorial waters (12 miles from the line of the coast), a fact that has had an effect in the decrease of the 40% that has experimented the arrival of cruises in the country in the last two years, preventing the growth of the arrival of tourists."

 

This is consistent with my observation that the casinos were open soon after departing Valparaiso, La Serena, and Arica in March 2009. It is important to note that the current gambling laws consider the "Chilean Waters" as their 12 mile Territorial Seas and not their 200 mile Economic Zone. The difference is at least eight hours as to when the casinos could be opened.

 

I would expect a cruise ship to leave that 12 mile zone as quickly as possible so they could open the casino and pull in that revenue. But, I guess it is conceivable that the captain might keep within that 12 mile zone for some reason, thereby preventing the casino from opening.

 

I'll place a bet that they would clear that 12 miles and rake in the revenue. :D

[smeyer418]

when traveling through Drake's passage the cruise ship is within Chile's territorial waters and the Casino stays close for a couple of days. So for about 2 days on the trip while visiting Ushuaia and getting there and leaving, the Casino will remain closed.

[ibfishing2]

If you can think of it, please post after you return and let us know what your experience was. Have a great time.

 

Keith

I will. I often try to follow other posts to get questions answered and sometime, they forget to post when they return, so I will post my experience.

[ibfishing2]

when traveling through Drake's passage the cruise ship is within Chile's territorial waters and the Casino stays close for a couple of days. So for about 2 days on the trip while visiting Ushuaia and getting there and leaving, the Casino will remain closed.

Thank you for the info. Sounds like you were on a SA/Antarctic cruise.

[smeyer418]

Thank you for the info. Sounds like you were on a SA/Antarctic cruise.

SA from Buenos Aires to Valparaiso and loved it no Falklands island and I can't understand why people want to go there...we through the British out 200 years ago and I am not looking to go to an occupied island...

[davecttr]

SA from Buenos Aires to Valparaiso and loved it no Falklands island and I can't understand why people want to go there...we through the British out 200 years ago and I am not looking to go to an occupied island...

 

The Falklands are not occupied they are British, for as long as the inhabitants want it that way.

 

Besides, the Falklands might have lots of oil reserves :D